Time for a change?

[celticinorlando]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

Bill Simmons really just makes a platform out of saying a bunch of nothing and "I don't knows". Wild

I'd be more interested if Lowe added any input or what he heard but it sounds like he didn't really say anything of substance either implying he's not really sure or hasn't heard any significant developments.

Seems tho that this line of narrative is lining up from a lot of folks that cover the NBA. I do expect it will be done by the draft to someone. I still do not believe Boston trades Brown. I think Brad tweaks the fringes with mid level and cheap depth and they run it back pretty much as it.

I still think the Cs are gearing up for 2027. At the end of the day the line of thinking for this upcoming season from Brad will be Tatum will be back healthy, another year of development for Hugo and Baylor and they add a first round pick. Probably try to add a servicable big and they go from there.

[Phantom255x]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

Bill Simmons really just makes a platform out of saying a bunch of nothing and "I don't knows". Wild

I'd be more interested if Lowe added any input or what he heard but it sounds like he didn't really say anything of substance either implying he's not really sure or hasn't heard any significant developments.

Seems tho that this line of narrative is lining up from a lot of folks that cover the NBA. I do expect it will be done by the draft to someone. I still do not believe Boston trades Brown. I think Brad tweaks the fringes with mid level and cheap depth and they run it back pretty much as it.

I still think the Cs are gearing up for 2027. At the end of the day the line of thinking for this upcoming season from Brad will be Tatum will be back healthy, another year of development for Hugo and Baylor and they add a first round pick. Probably try to add a servicable big and they go from there.

Personally I'm fine with that plan. When they reset the repeater tax, it'll allow them the following year to potentially go for it and add 2 significant players (or 1 significant player + 1 great role player type) to Jaylen/Tatum/PP/Queta + maybe White. Similar to adding Jrue/KP in 2024.

Giannis to me besides some of the scheme fits and questions also concerns me from an injury standpoint, and he's 32 now. I also think it's not bad to unleash Baylor, Queta, Hugo and Harper this next season and keep developing them.

They can still add 2 solid players (1 big man) with the help of the TPE and MLE, like you said.

[celticinorlando]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

Bill Simmons really just makes a platform out of saying a bunch of nothing and "I don't knows". Wild

I'd be more interested if Lowe added any input or what he heard but it sounds like he didn't really say anything of substance either implying he's not really sure or hasn't heard any significant developments.

Seems tho that this line of narrative is lining up from a lot of folks that cover the NBA. I do expect it will be done by the draft to someone. I still do not believe Boston trades Brown. I think Brad tweaks the fringes with mid level and cheap depth and they run it back pretty much as it.

I still think the Cs are gearing up for 2027. At the end of the day the line of thinking for this upcoming season from Brad will be Tatum will be back healthy, another year of development for Hugo and Baylor and they add a first round pick. Probably try to add a servicable big and they go from there.

Personally I'm fine with that plan. When they reset the repeater tax, it'll allow them the following year to potentially go for it and add 2 significant players (or 1 significant player + 1 great role player type) to Jaylen/Tatum/PP/Queta + maybe White. Similar to adding Jrue/KP in 2024.

Giannis to me besides some of the scheme fits and questions also concerns me from an injury standpoint, and he's 32 now. I also think it's not bad to unleash Baylor, Queta, Hugo and Harper this next season and keep developing them.

They can still add 2 solid players (1 big man) with the help of the TPE and MLE, like you said.

I like Queta as a back up big. Not a starter. I would like to see Hauser moved. I think Baylor can do everything he does and more. Hugo has to learn how to shoot and Joe needs to be more consistent with his minutes. I have no idea what Harper is yet but I am curious if he can grind out a spot.

I just do not think you can start Queta with Garza as his back up and I do not want to see Hauser starting again. I would rather see Hugo, Harper or Baylor starting over Sam if it comes to that.

I think Boston has 3 legit starters on their team right now and a bunch of guys suited for the bench. If they keep JB and stay the course, they have to add a legit big. Not sure they can win the east as the roster is constructed tho.

[Neurotic Guy]

Adding Giannis immediately upgrades both the starting and backup 5.  Queta will be an excellent bench big and will be able to solidly spell Giannis.  Thinking of the competitors' rotations at the 5 the Cs would be right in there with Holmgren-Hartenstein, Wemby-Luke, KAT-Robinson,...

I'm warming up to the idea and getting a bit hopeful about it.  I don't love the risk, but the possible reward is exciting.

[Vermont Green]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

Bill Simmons really just makes a platform out of saying a bunch of nothing and "I don't knows". Wild

I'd be more interested if Lowe added any input or what he heard but it sounds like he didn't really say anything of substance either implying he's not really sure or hasn't heard any significant developments.

It is not necessarily a case of BOS changing their mind as the Ringer is suggesting, it could be, or they could just be slow playing their hand as part of negotiation posturing.  It would be the latter if BOS believes that Giannis favors BOS over MIA, and this could very well be the case.  Teaming with Tatum and White is way better for Giannis than teaming with Adebayo and whatever else is left.

[Phantom255x]

Adding Giannis immediately upgrades both the starting and backup 5.  Queta will be an excellent bench big and will be able to solidly spell Giannis.  Thinking of the competitors' rotations at the 5 the Cs would be right in there with Holmgren-Hartenstein, Wemby-Luke, KAT-Robinson,...

I'm warming up to the idea and getting a bit hopeful about it.  I don't love the risk, but the possible reward is exciting.

This is assuming they add another center, because right now the projected starting lineup IF this trade happens is PP-White-Tatum-Giannis-Queta. If they do though, then Queta as a backup would be nice. Still need another guard or wing with the MLE probably (or another trade involving Hauser + picks)

[Roy H.]

Adding Giannis immediately upgrades both the starting and backup 5.  Queta will be an excellent bench big and will be able to solidly spell Giannis.  Thinking of the competitors' rotations at the 5 the Cs would be right in there with Holmgren-Hartenstein, Wemby-Luke, KAT-Robinson,...

I'm warming up to the idea and getting a bit hopeful about it.  I don't love the risk, but the possible reward is exciting.

This is assuming they add another center, because right now the projected starting lineup IF this trade happens is PP-White-Tatum-Giannis-Queta. If they do though, then Queta as a backup would be nice. Still need another guard or wing with the MLE probably (or another trade involving Hauser + picks)

I think he's assuming that Giannis would be the starting center, which makes sense.

[Phantom255x]

Adding Giannis immediately upgrades both the starting and backup 5.  Queta will be an excellent bench big and will be able to solidly spell Giannis.  Thinking of the competitors' rotations at the 5 the Cs would be right in there with Holmgren-Hartenstein, Wemby-Luke, KAT-Robinson,...

I'm warming up to the idea and getting a bit hopeful about it.  I don't love the risk, but the possible reward is exciting.

This is assuming they add another center, because right now the projected starting lineup IF this trade happens is PP-White-Tatum-Giannis-Queta. If they do though, then Queta as a backup would be nice. Still need another guard or wing with the MLE probably (or another trade involving Hauser + picks)

I think he's assuming that Giannis would be the starting center, which makes sense.

What's the starting lineup then, PP-White-Baylor-Tatum-Giannis?

[Vermont Green]

If the trade is just Brown for Giannis, then after the trade, the projected starters in my mind would be updated as:

White---------->Pritchard
Brown--------->White
Hauser-------->Hauser
Tatum--------->Tatum
Queta--------->Giannis

So you go from Queta as a starter to Pritchard.  Hauser is a starter in either case.  I have been thinking that a trade with MIL would also include Hauser and Portis, that could result in:

Pritchard
White
Tatum
Portis
Giannis

[Moranis]

Giannis at center is a bad idea.  The team would need to sign a stretch center to start.  Someone that can give 20 mpg or so and keep spacing and allow Giannis to at least start at PF woth Tatum at SF.  Giannis can play some at center, but he shouldn't start there.

[smicker16]

Giannis at center is a bad idea.  The team would need to sign a stretch center to start.  Someone that can give 20 mpg or so and keep spacing and allow Giannis to at least start at PF woth Tatum at SF.  Giannis can play some at center, but he shouldn't start there.

Yeah I agree and this is my main concern about getting Giannis. Queta is not a good match with him but I do still like Queta so do you try to trade him for a better fitting big man or how do you get that stretch center. I would still trade for Giannis though but this would then become the main concern or priority.

[Vermont Green]

Giannis at center is a bad idea.  The team would need to sign a stretch center to start.  Someone that can give 20 mpg or so and keep spacing and allow Giannis to at least start at PF with Tatum at SF.  Giannis can play some at center, but he shouldn't start there.

You don't think that Giannis at Center is a major improvement over Queta at Center?  Why is it OK to have a PF who doesn't stretch the floor but not a center?  This doesn't make sense to me.  I get that Giannis is not an efficient 3-point shooter, but he wasn't when he won the MVP and a title either.  I would be perfectly happy to have Giannis at Center or at PF, but for the Celtics, he makes more sense at Center.

I think what the limitation with Giannis is that if you have him as your PF, you need a center who can shoot, at least some.  Or the other way around, if Giannis is your Center, then you would want a PF who can shoot.  I say play Giannis at Center on BOS and make sure everyone else can shoot.

[SparzWizard]

Giannis at center is a bad idea.  The team would need to sign a stretch center to start.  Someone that can give 20 mpg or so and keep spacing and allow Giannis to at least start at PF with Tatum at SF.  Giannis can play some at center, but he shouldn't start there.

You don't think that Giannis at Center is a major improvement over Queta at Center?  Why is it OK to have a PF who doesn't stretch the floor but not a center?  This doesn't make sense to me.  I get that Giannis is not an efficient 3-point shooter, but he wasn't when he won the MVP and a title either.  I would be perfectly happy to have Giannis at Center or at PF, but for the Celtics, he makes more sense at Center.

I think what the limitation with Giannis is that if you have him as your PF, you need a center who can shoot, at least some.  Or the other way around, if Giannis is your Center, then you would want a PF who can shoot.  I say play Giannis at Center on BOS and make sure everyone else can shoot.

Tatum can play PF and Giannis at C.

Get a SF outside who can shoot 3's. Or slot a SG over to SF and run two guards.

I'd assume Brown, White, Hauser, maybe Walsh, and Williams are out of Boston so that leaves with everyone else here.

[celticinorlando]

If the trade is just Brown for Giannis, then after the trade, the projected starters in my mind would be updated as:

White---------->Pritchard
Brown--------->White
Hauser-------->Hauser
Tatum--------->Tatum
Queta--------->Giannis

So you go from Queta as a starter to Pritchard.  Hauser is a starter in either case.  I have been thinking that a trade with MIL would also include Hauser and Portis, that could result in:

Pritchard
White
Tatum
Portis
Giannis

Hauser cannot start for this team. He is dreadful. Queta needs to be the #2 center.

If the Cs go for Giannis, I do think that is not the only move made. I would prefer Giannis at the 4, JT at the 3. A true center that can rebound and defend. White and a combo guard in the backcourt. Or just start PP once and for all with White, JT Giannis and some sort of wing not named Sam Hauser. Would love for Hugo to take strides with his shooting and be able to start.

I think Brad really wants Giannis and Trey Murphy out of this somehow

[SparzWizard]

Also, sending Jaylen Brown out West (Portland) would also be beneficial for Boston...Brown would make Portland much tougher and more competitive in that conference. Got Scoot Henderson, Deni Avdija, Timelord, Jrue etc.

Milwaukee gets pieces back from Portland and can begin rebuilding.

Boston gets to win-now with Giannis (and hopefully Portis).