Time for a change?

[Vermont Green]

I read that James Stewart was floating a trade with the Cavs

Tatum and White

For

Mitchell, Allen, 3 unprotected 1st's

Not sure I'd do that, but it is interesting

I am sure, I would not do that.  What does it accomplish?  BOS is worse in the short term and no guarantee that the 3 picks will make you better in the future.

I could see White for Allen and Tyson and picks, then CLE adds LeBron.  White would be a good guard to pair with Mitchell.  LeBron replaces Allen.  BOS gets a big but probably is not any better for it.

[jambr380]

I read that James Stewart was floating a trade with the Cavs

Tatum and White

For

Mitchell, Allen, 3 unprotected 1st's

Not sure I'd do that, but it is interesting

I am sure, I would not do that.  What does it accomplish?  BOS is worse in the short term and no guarantee that the 3 picks will make you better in the future.

I could see White for Allen and Tyson and picks, then CLE adds LeBron.  White would be a good guard to pair with Mitchell.  LeBron replaces Allen.  BOS gets a big but probably is not any better for it.

That is an awful deal for Boston (the one above, not yours). Tatum is better than Mitchell, and White is better than Allen. I saw someone floating a Mitchell for Brown trade, which at least makes a little more sense, but I'd still hesitate to pull the trigger on that one

[Phantom255x]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mamu is a guy that I think is ready for a bigger role. I'd love him for something like the MLE.

[Phantom255x]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mamu is a guy that I think is ready for a bigger role. I'd love him for something like the MLE.

If I had to rank guys I'd want, I'd go

1. Gafford or Lively (Mavericks)
2. Timelord
3. Mamu
4. Porzingis
5. Carter
6. Sabonis (if they are willing to trade him for White, Hauser + picks; Not Jaylen)

[Who]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mamu is a guy that I think is ready for a bigger role. I'd love him for something like the MLE.

I don't think he is ready for a bigger role.

Toronto were reluctant to even put him on the floor in the playoffs against Cleveland. Mamu had his minutes cut from 22mpg to 15mpg. It was because he couldn't defend anybody. He was a liability in man-to-man matchups and a liability in team defense.

Mamu is a nice offensive player. He is like Luka Garza. A better version of Luka Garza. That shooting ability is very nice. But neither guy can defend anyone at an adequate level. Neither one is a reliable rotation player come playoff time.

Regular season players.

Not playoff players.

[Goldstar88]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mobley is soft. He disappears in the postseason. I would rather have Derrick White over Mobley. JB and Tatum are completely out of the question.

[jambr380]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mobley is soft. He disappears in the postseason. I would rather have Derrick White over Mobley. JB and Tatum are completely out of the question.

In a vacuum, I agree that Derrick White is better than Mobley, but if that offer is on the table, you have to take it just in terms of value. Kenny Atkinson did call Derrick White a top 5 player, though, so you never know.

No way do I do White for Allen, though, no matter how many picks are included. I think I just rate White much higher than other people. Most of these White inclusions I wouldn't even consider.

[Who]

Unless the Cavaliers are offering up Mobley in any deal, I'm not giving them Tatum or even Brown. I love Mitchell but even with him you can't ignore some of his flaws defensively and also, he may put up numbers but I'm not sure if he's really as impactful as we may think. I'd consider Jaylen for him but I don't think there's a significant difference between both guys.

I would explore White for Allen + a role player and picks like @Vermont Green suggested. I'm not high on Allen at all personally but I'd consider it if they whiff on other options like Sabonis, Wendell Carter, Mamu, Timelord, Porzingis, etc.

Mobley is soft. He disappears in the postseason. I would rather have Derrick White over Mobley. JB and Tatum are completely out of the question.

In a vacuum, I agree that Derrick White is better than Mobley, but if that offer is on the table, you have to take it just in terms of value. Kenny Atkinson did call Derrick White a top 5 player, though, so you never know.

No way do I do White for Allen, though, no matter how many picks are included. I think I just rate White much higher than other people. Most of these White inclusions I wouldn't even consider.

I was curious what D White's playoff numbers look like compared to Evan Mobley's numbers. D White had a stinker this season so I decided to look at what he did in the two previous runs. I used Mobley's last two playoff runs including this season.

D White = 30 games 36.4mpg 17.5ppg on 45.6% FG 39.6% 3PT 89.2% FT. He only took 2.5 FTAs per game. He took 8.8 threes per game out of 12.9 FGAs. He also averaged 4.6rpg, 1.2bpg 0.8spg. He had 3.9apg against 1.0 turnover per game. D White had a TS% of 62.4%. He had a BPM of 5.8 and a VORP of 2.0.

E Mobley = 26 games 34.5mpg 17.0ppg on 55% FG 37.3% 3PT 67% FT. Mobley took 4.3 FTAs on 11.5 FGAs. He took 3.9 threes per game. Mobley also averaged 8.1bpg 1.5bpg 1.0spg. He had 3.2apg against 2.0 turnovers per game. Mobley had a TS% of 63.4%. He had a BPM of 5.5 and VORP of 1.7.

Interesting how close their advanced numbers are for BPM (base plus minutes) and VORP (value over replacement player). Even their points per game and scoring efficiency are evenly matched although their shots charts are different.

[Moranis]

Mobley's regular season and playoff numbers are fairly similar. He had a couple of bad games, but on the bulk was pretty good.  He was certainly the most consistent Cav against the Knicks as well.  He is a tertiary scorer. Expecting more than that is how people think he wasn't good or failed.  If you have expectations that Mobley is a 3rd scorer and will play elite defense, then he hit expectations because he did that and did it well.  But that makes him hard to place a value on.  On the right team, he can be a difference maker, but I dont think he can be a franchise player so a team still needs that player.   I think he is a lesser version of KG though.  Like a top 15-20 not top 5 level of player.  He'd be great with Tatum or Brown, I just don't see a trade that makes sense for both teams.  Best I could come up with was Brown for Mobley, Strus, 29 but I'm not sure either team would do that. 

[Vermont Green]

I have been high on Mobley in the past but he seems to have plateaued.  I think it is fair to have him in the same tier was Derrick White but I am not sure I would trade White for him at this point.  At only 25, there is a lot to like about Mobley and there should be some ceiling still.  Many bigs don't fully develop their game until after age 25.

I am still focused on the next couple of seasons for the Celtics and I think you get more from White in that timeframe than from Mobley.

[Roy H.]

I have been high on Mobley in the past but he seems to have plateaued.  I think it is fair to have him in the same tier was Derrick White but I am not sure I would trade White for him at this point.  At only 25, there is a lot to like about Mobley and there should be some ceiling still.  Many bigs don't fully develop their game until after age 25.

I am still focused on the next couple of seasons for the Celtics and I think you get more from White in that timeframe than from Mobley.

I think that Mobley is worth more than White on the open market.  Mobley is younger and plays a more premium position.  Plus, White showed some real signs of decline last year offensively, which we obviously hope were a one year blip.

The only real advantage that White has is that he[s significantly cheaper.  Mobley is paid like a #1 / #1a option, when he's closer to a #3.

[Moranis]

I have been high on Mobley in the past but he seems to have plateaued.  I think it is fair to have him in the same tier was Derrick White but I am not sure I would trade White for him at this point.  At only 25, there is a lot to like about Mobley and there should be some ceiling still.  Many bigs don't fully develop their game until after age 25.

I am still focused on the next couple of seasons for the Celtics and I think you get more from White in that timeframe than from Mobley.

White has declined for 3 straight years. That will almost certainly continue.

[Phantom255x]

Running it back with the Jays is mostly fine, but you're gonna need to reshuffle and organize the rest of the roster better. If it means trading White, or Hauser, or both in deals to acquire additional outside talent while also using the MLE to add a FA, then you gotta do it. But standing pat basically and only adding maybe 1 player while keeping everyone else besides Vucevic would be malpractice too.

Hauser to me needs to go regardless. Let the young guys get more playing time and open up some money that way, Hauser has also been meh these last few postseasons and if he's not hitting 3s he's not as useful. I'd prefer a more veteran wing backup or just another point guard-type while Baylor and to an extent Hugo can potentially develop into the Hauser-role more next year.

White isn't untouchable to me. If they keep him, fine. But if a deal can be made to upgrade the frontcourt, I'm fine with that too.

[Moranis]

I wonder if the Thunder would move Caruso in a mostly cost savings move.  He fits into Boston's TPE.  Hugo and 2027 1st for Caruso.  Something like that.  Thunder save a ton of money, get a young player and a pick in 27. May not be enough for Caruso, but the financial savings is huge and the Thunder Don have Topic that can fill some of the Caruso role.