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Re: 2026 Red Sox/MLB Season Thread
« Reply #570 on: October 30, 2026, 07:57:02 AM »

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I heard the argument a lot that moneyball works in the regular season but MIL had never won a title.  That is now out.  Quite a run for MIL.  Hard not to be happy for them and their fans.

The point isn't that BOS needs to be just like MIL.  But I don't think BOS can win a title just trying to be like LAD.  They need to do moneyball like MIL (do it as well) but do it with more money (which they have) and of course, when they do spend money, they need to do that well too.

So the off season officially starts.  I think BOS is in a good place.  If they make some smart moves (both moneyball moves and big spender moves), they can be right there.  Hopefully they settle the CBA and there is actually a season.
How do you define "moneyball"?

Because it seems like at this point people define it as "small market team does good = moneyball"

Fair question. Every one defines it differently.  To me it is trying to build the core of the team with younger, under control players, often that you develop. This is as opposed to having the core of the team built by signing big money free agents who are often older.  Or trading away prospects for big money vets.  Analytics can play in either.

And as I have been trying to say, it is not all or nothing.  You can build a core of young players and go get key vets too. 

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« Reply #571 on: October 30, 2026, 08:28:38 AM »

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I heard the argument a lot that moneyball works in the regular season but MIL had never won a title.  That is now out.  Quite a run for MIL.  Hard not to be happy for them and their fans.

The point isn't that BOS needs to be just like MIL.  But I don't think BOS can win a title just trying to be like LAD.  They need to do moneyball like MIL (do it as well) but do it with more money (which they have) and of course, when they do spend money, they need to do that well too.

So the off season officially starts.  I think BOS is in a good place.  If they make some smart moves (both moneyball moves and big spender moves), they can be right there.  Hopefully they settle the CBA and there is actually a season.
How do you define "moneyball"?

Because it seems like at this point people define it as "small market team does good = moneyball"

Fair question. Every one defines it differently.  To me it is trying to build the core of the team with younger, under control players, often that you develop. This is as opposed to having the core of the team built by signing big money free agents who are often older.  Or trading away prospects for big money vets.  Analytics can play in either.

And as I have been trying to say, it is not all or nothing.  You can build a core of young players and go get key vets too.

At its core, moneyball is about finding undervalued talent. Traditionally that means finding players who contribute to winning more than the baseball establishment thinks: on-base percentage (OBP) and on-base plus slugging (OPS) were the gold standards for this (as opposed to more traditional stats like batting average). At this point, though, every team is aware of those stats, so they've become the main stats and are arguably overvalued.

Of the last 3 teams to make the World Series, 3/4 had lineups that were based more around "slap hitters" than power/3-true-outcome guys. To me, that's moneyball. They found a market inefficiency and took advantage. The market will eventually catch up, and small market teams will need to react to that (zig when others zag).

The Rays and Brewers are also great at being low payroll teams in general, willing to trade really talented players for prospects and then developing them to be good/great MLB players (before eventually trading them for more prospects). I wouldn't call that moneyball, but it complements moneyball perfectly and is really needed for a small market team to compete at a championship level. I think Breslow has done a good job of it with pitching, but not hitting, and that's been our downfall the past 2 seasons.
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Re: 2026 Red Sox/MLB Season Thread
« Reply #572 on: October 30, 2026, 08:59:53 AM »

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I heard the argument a lot that moneyball works in the regular season but MIL had never won a title.  That is now out.  Quite a run for MIL.  Hard not to be happy for them and their fans.

The point isn't that BOS needs to be just like MIL.  But I don't think BOS can win a title just trying to be like LAD.  They need to do moneyball like MIL (do it as well) but do it with more money (which they have) and of course, when they do spend money, they need to do that well too.

So the off season officially starts.  I think BOS is in a good place.  If they make some smart moves (both moneyball moves and big spender moves), they can be right there.  Hopefully they settle the CBA and there is actually a season.
How do you define "moneyball"?

Because it seems like at this point people define it as "small market team does good = moneyball"

Fair question. Every one defines it differently.  To me it is trying to build the core of the team with younger, under control players, often that you develop. This is as opposed to having the core of the team built by signing big money free agents who are often older.  Or trading away prospects for big money vets.  Analytics can play in either.

And as I have been trying to say, it is not all or nothing.  You can build a core of young players and go get key vets too.

At its core, moneyball is about finding undervalued talent. Traditionally that means finding players who contribute to winning more than the baseball establishment thinks: on-base percentage (OBP) and on-base plus slugging (OPS) were the gold standards for this (as opposed to more traditional stats like batting average). At this point, though, every team is aware of those stats, so they've become the main stats and are arguably overvalued.

Of the last 3 teams to make the World Series, 3/4 had lineups that were based more around "slap hitters" than power/3-true-outcome guys. To me, that's moneyball. They found a market inefficiency and took advantage. The market will eventually catch up, and small market teams will need to react to that (zig when others zag).

The Rays and Brewers are also great at being low payroll teams in general, willing to trade really talented players for prospects and then developing them to be good/great MLB players (before eventually trading them for more prospects). I wouldn't call that moneyball, but it complements moneyball perfectly and is really needed for a small market team to compete at a championship level. I think Breslow has done a good job of it with pitching, but not hitting, and that's been our downfall the past 2 seasons.

This is all really good analysis.  I would alter this a bit to say that moneyball is about finding value more in general.  Is it more value to have one guy who can hit 40 hrs but costs $40M or is it more value to have 2 @ $20M who hit maybe 25 hrs but have better on-base percentage and play better defense?  Some say the Sox should just have 2 guys at $40M since they have the money.  Analytics can inform either the development of younger players or who you target when you spend.

I think the Sox are at the point where they have built the core with good young players on reasonable contracts.  Good value players like Rafaela.  Maybe Roman Anthony will be a good value player/contract, and so on.  Now they may need to spend, to target some specific players or roles that the team needs.

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« Reply #573 on: Today at 12:51:56 PM »

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« Reply #574 on: Today at 01:03:53 PM »

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Not sure about this one but props to the Sox front office at least showing some life.

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BREAKING: First baseman Jake Bauers and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a four-year, $58 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
Interesting investments in Mead and Bauers recently. Both guys with exactly 1 good pro seasons getting pretty significant investments.

If they both are who they were last season the Sox will be dangerous. If not...

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« Reply #575 on: Today at 01:13:07 PM »

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Not sure about this one but props to the Sox front office at least showing some life.

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BREAKING: First baseman Jake Bauers and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a four-year, $58 million contract, sources tell ESPN.

Seems like a decent LH bat (0.874 OPS last season), but getting a 1B seems odd.  Bauers has played almost exclusively at 1B, with some in the OF.  Is the plan to make him a DH? I believe that Contreras's defense at 1B is better, but having Bauers will give some options to rest Contreras.  Seems like a sensible pick up, assuming he is OK with being a primary DH.

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« Reply #576 on: Today at 01:14:33 PM »

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BREAKING: First baseman Jake Bauers and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a four-year, $58 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
Interesting investments in Mead and Bauers recently. Both guys with exactly 1 good pro seasons getting pretty significant investments.

If they both are who they were last season the Sox will be dangerous. If not...
there's a reason the Brewers were hoping he'd reject the QO.  They didn't want to pay him for even 1 year at that money and wanted the compensation instead. 

Can't blame the Sox for wanting to grab as many former Brewers as the can (Durbin anyone?) to hope to repeat their formula.   :laugh:

I'm sure Bauers will have a decent year next year and for that money, probably worth it.  not sure how that deal will look in year 4 though.


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BREAKING: First baseman Jake Bauers and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a four-year, $58 million contract, sources tell ESPN.
Interesting investments in Mead and Bauers recently. Both guys with exactly 1 good pro seasons getting pretty significant investments.

If they both are who they were last season the Sox will be dangerous. If not...

Yeah.  If Bauers hits like last year, $14.5 million per season is an absolute steal.  And if he doesn't, we have our next bad contract that we're trying to get out of for the next three years.
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This is a big gamble by the Sox. Bauers was a negative-career-WAR journeyman before having one good season. Plus he just turned 31.

But it's totally in line with Boston's typical MO of trying to strike gold with someone whose track record for success is slight.
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BREAKING: First baseman Jake Bauers and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a four-year, $58 million contract, sources tell ESPN.

Seems like a decent LH bat (0.874 OPS last season), but getting a 1B seems odd.  Bauers has played almost exclusively at 1B, with some in the OF.  Is the plan to make him a DH? I believe that Contreras's defense at 1B is better, but having Bauers will give some options to rest Contreras.  Seems like a sensible pick up, assuming he is OK with being a primary DH.

Makes me think that Contreras might be moved. He spoke out quite a bit this past season and I?m not sure ownership/management wants that.
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Think it?s a bad signing. He had a hot last month but before that, he was a huge bust and almost retire.
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Although Bauers played primarily first base in 2026, he can also play either corner outfield spot: He made 16 appearances in left field and 32 in right for Milwaukee.
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I like it.  His 2026 Savant page is dripping red, which makes me think it's not just a lucky fluke season.  And the short track record is why we got him at a much more reasonable number than a guy like Arozarena is likely to get. 

If he flops, you're out $15M a year.  Not the worst.

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« Reply #583 on: Today at 03:18:56 PM »

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I get it, Bauers CAN play corner OF, but where is the need for that?  We have plenty of outfielders.  I can't imagine they paid him that amount of money to platoon in the outfield.    It seems like his primary role will be DH.  He can sub at 1B, play some outfield, but DH is going to be his primary role as it looks to me.

$14.5M Average Annual is not all that much these days.  It is clear that they are still shopping for value.  They may spend on pitching.  But it is true that this guy had one really productive season and even in that, struck out a lot.  The guy he pushes out is Yoshida (LH DH).  I wonder if they found someone to take him.