Shams: Vuc to Celtics!

[Vermont Green]

As this stands, I think BOS is better for it.  I think Vucevic is better and plays a position of more need, harder to fill.  You never really know until you see a player on the floor but I think this make BOS better.

And it works well in terms of TPE.  Nearly all of Porzingis' $22.5M was used to absorb Vucevic at $21.5M and this creates a new $27.7M TPE.  I don't think BOS can use it next season unless under the 1st apron after trading for whoever they use it on, is that correct?  Or can you use it if under the second apron but the trade takes you over it (don't see how this would work).

Once a team is over the first apron in the offseason, they cannot use TPEs that were generated during the preceding regular season or the previous offseason.
Frozen TPEs: These exceptions are effectively "frozen" and only become usable again if the team moves below the first apron.

I could see Vucevic playing at PF in the following line up (until Tatum is back):

Queta
Vucevic
Brown
White
Pritchard

[keevsnick]

As this stands, I think BOS is better for it.  I think Vucevic is better and plays a position of more need, harder to fill.  You never really know until you see a player on the floor but I think this make BOS better.

And it works well in terms of TPE.  Nearly all of Porzingis' $22.5M was used to absorb Vucevic at $21.5M and this creates a new $27.7M TPE.  I don't think BOS can use it next season unless under the 1st apron after trading for whoever they use it on, is that correct?  Or can you use it if under the second apron but the trade takes you over it (don't see how this would work).

Once a team is over the first apron in the offseason, they cannot use TPEs that were generated during the preceding regular season or the previous offseason.
Frozen TPEs: These exceptions are effectively "frozen" and only become usable again if the team moves below the first apron.

I could see Vucevic playing at PF in the following line up (until Tatum is back):

Queta
Vucevic
Brown
White
Pritchard

Basically if the C's use the TPE next offseason they would be hard capped at the 1st apron.

It opens up a number of different options for them. They could let Vucevic walk and use most of the TPE, or re-sign Vuc at a lower number and use less of the TPE, or use the MLE (which also hard caps you at 1st apron), or some combination of all three.

[keevsnick]

So, here are all the impacts of the Simons/Vucevic trade:

-Lowers spending by roughly 6 million. Lowers luxury tax bill by 22.5 million. Total savings for Celtics of 28.5 million. Obviously lowering their tax bill DID matter at least somewhat to the front office.

-Swaps what is likely the 2026 NOP second rounder out for a 2027 DEN 2nd rounder. That's a good pick out the door (likely 31-35 this year), but Celtics were unlikely to use three picks in the 25-40 range this year (also have their first and MIL 2nd) and at least they get back a 2nd in a year (2027) they don't currently have one.

-Gets them under 1st apron which would allow them to sign a buyout guy who made over 14.1 million, before this trade they were barred from doing so.

-They took Vucevic into the KP TPE which will allow them to generate a NEW 27.67-million-dollar TPE which will be good for 1 year from whenever this deal goes final (probably not until Thursday to maximize TPE time and chance to expand trade).

---As a side note if they use that TPE next off season/season they will be hard capped at 1st apron for next year. Letting Vuc walk and using MLE also hard caps you at first apron. First apron will probably be around their spending limit.

-Now they may look to add guard depth. That could get wrapped into this trade, or they could look at buyout guys. If they do add a guard, they'll probably dump one of Tillman/Boucher along with cash to some team to limit their tax bill.

[Donoghus]

So, here are all the impacts of the Simons/Vucevic trade:

-Lowers spending by roughly 6 million. Lowers luxury tax bill by 22.5 million. Total savings for Celtics of 28.5 million. Obviously lowering their tax bill DID matter at least somewhat to the front office.

-Swaps what is likely the 2026 NOP second rounder out for a 2027 DEN 2nd rounder. That's a good pick out the door (likely 31-35 this year), but Celtics were unlikely to use three picks in the 25-40 range this year (also have their first and MIL 2nd) and at least they get back a 2nd in a year (2027) they don't currently have one.

-Gets them under 1st apron which would allow them to sign a buyout guy who made over 14.1 million, before this trade they were barred from doing so.

-They took Vucevic into the KP TPE which will allow them to generate a NEW 27.67-million-dollar TPE which will be good for 1 year from whenever this deal goes final (probably not until Thursday to maximize TPE time and chance to expand trade).

---As a side note if they use that TPE next off season/season they will be hard capped at 1st apron for next year. Letting Vuc walk and using MLE also hard caps you at first apron. First apron will probably be around their spending limit.

-Now they may look to add guard depth. That could get wrapped into this trade, or they could look at buyout guys. If they do add a guard, they'll probably dump one of Tillman/Boucher along with cash to some team to limit their tax bill.

Solid summary.

[Neurotic Guy]

So, here are all the impacts of the Simons/Vucevic trade:

-Lowers spending by roughly 6 million. Lowers luxury tax bill by 22.5 million. Total savings for Celtics of 28.5 million. Obviously lowering their tax bill DID matter at least somewhat to the front office.

-Swaps what is likely the 2026 NOP second rounder out for a 2027 DEN 2nd rounder. That's a good pick out the door (likely 31-35 this year), but Celtics were unlikely to use three picks in the 25-40 range this year (also have their first and MIL 2nd) and at least they get back a 2nd in a year (2027) they don't currently have one.

-Gets them under 1st apron which would allow them to sign a buyout guy who made over 14.1 million, before this trade they were barred from doing so.

-They took Vucevic into the KP TPE which will allow them to generate a NEW 27.67-million-dollar TPE which will be good for 1 year from whenever this deal goes final (probably not until Thursday to maximize TPE time and chance to expand trade).

---As a side note if they use that TPE next off season/season they will be hard capped at 1st apron for next year. Letting Vuc walk and using MLE also hard caps you at first apron. First apron will probably be around their spending limit.

-Now they may look to add guard depth. That could get wrapped into this trade, or they could look at buyout guys. If they do add a guard, they'll probably dump one of Tillman/Boucher along with cash to some team to limit their tax bill.

I don?t speak *cap* and I know enough about myself to know that I?ll never really understand it,  so I don?t  worry too much about it. But one bit of cap language that frequently comes up is being *hard-capped at the first apron*.  If it actually gets complicated, don?t bother, but if there is a concise explanation (as told to an 8 year old) that would be great.

[Celtics2021]

So, here are all the impacts of the Simons/Vucevic trade:

-Lowers spending by roughly 6 million. Lowers luxury tax bill by 22.5 million. Total savings for Celtics of 28.5 million. Obviously lowering their tax bill DID matter at least somewhat to the front office.

-Swaps what is likely the 2026 NOP second rounder out for a 2027 DEN 2nd rounder. That's a good pick out the door (likely 31-35 this year), but Celtics were unlikely to use three picks in the 25-40 range this year (also have their first and MIL 2nd) and at least they get back a 2nd in a year (2027) they don't currently have one.

-Gets them under 1st apron which would allow them to sign a buyout guy who made over 14.1 million, before this trade they were barred from doing so.

-They took Vucevic into the KP TPE which will allow them to generate a NEW 27.67-million-dollar TPE which will be good for 1 year from whenever this deal goes final (probably not until Thursday to maximize TPE time and chance to expand trade).

---As a side note if they use that TPE next off season/season they will be hard capped at 1st apron for next year. Letting Vuc walk and using MLE also hard caps you at first apron. First apron will probably be around their spending limit.

-Now they may look to add guard depth. That could get wrapped into this trade, or they could look at buyout guys. If they do add a guard, they'll probably dump one of Tillman/Boucher along with cash to some team to limit their tax bill.

I don?t speak *cap* and I know enough about myself to know that I?ll never really understand it,  so I don?t  worry too much about it. But one bit of cap language that frequently comes up is being *hard-capped at the first apron*.  If it actually gets complicated, don?t bother, but if there is a concise explanation (as told to an 8 year old) that would be great.

If you use a TPE from a prior season, you are not allowed to exceed the first apron (roughly $7 million above the tax line next season) for any reason.  Unlike the regular cap, which has all sorts of exceptions that allow a team to exceed, and is thus considered soft, the cap above the first apron has no exceptions, and so hard.

[Roy H.]

So, here are all the impacts of the Simons/Vucevic trade:

-Lowers spending by roughly 6 million. Lowers luxury tax bill by 22.5 million. Total savings for Celtics of 28.5 million. Obviously lowering their tax bill DID matter at least somewhat to the front office.

-Swaps what is likely the 2026 NOP second rounder out for a 2027 DEN 2nd rounder. That's a good pick out the door (likely 31-35 this year), but Celtics were unlikely to use three picks in the 25-40 range this year (also have their first and MIL 2nd) and at least they get back a 2nd in a year (2027) they don't currently have one.

-Gets them under 1st apron which would allow them to sign a buyout guy who made over 14.1 million, before this trade they were barred from doing so.

-They took Vucevic into the KP TPE which will allow them to generate a NEW 27.67-million-dollar TPE which will be good for 1 year from whenever this deal goes final (probably not until Thursday to maximize TPE time and chance to expand trade).

---As a side note if they use that TPE next off season/season they will be hard capped at 1st apron for next year. Letting Vuc walk and using MLE also hard caps you at first apron. First apron will probably be around their spending limit.

-Now they may look to add guard depth. That could get wrapped into this trade, or they could look at buyout guys. If they do add a guard, they'll probably dump one of Tillman/Boucher along with cash to some team to limit their tax bill.

I don?t speak *cap* and I know enough about myself to know that I?ll never really understand it,  so I don?t  worry too much about it. But one bit of cap language that frequently comes up is being *hard-capped at the first apron*.  If it actually gets complicated, don?t bother, but if there is a concise explanation (as told to an 8 year old) that would be great.

The first apron next is projected at $210,330,000 next season.  Being hard capped means that we could not exceed that payroll at any point next season.

[Jiri Welsch]

Being "hard capped" means you can't go beyond that apron level for the remainder of the year.

If a team makes a specific "roster building move" (e.g. a sign-and-trade, using the non-taxpayer MLE) that is considered using a tool. If you are above the aprons, you have certain tools taken away from you.

Therefore, they would be "hard-capped" because they used that specific roster building tool (a TPE).

[jpotter33]

https://x.com/esidery/status/2018835651710566564?s=46

The Bulls and Celtics? trade of Nikola Vucevic for Anfernee Simons won?t officially be completed tonight as they keep doors open to facilitate the deal further, per @AdamHimmelsbach.

Chicago and Boston seem to have more up their sleeve over the next 36 hours.

Maybe we could squeeze a Tre Jones out of them, too? Very manageable contract over the next few years and would fill a need while being a Joe/Brad type of player.

[Jiri Welsch]

https://x.com/esidery/status/2018835651710566564?s=46

The Bulls and Celtics? trade of Nikola Vucevic for Anfernee Simons won?t officially be completed tonight as they keep doors open to facilitate the deal further, per @AdamHimmelsbach.

Chicago and Boston seem to have more up their sleeve over the next 36 hours.

Maybe we could squeeze a Tre Jones out of them, too? Very manageable contract over the next few years and would fill a need while being a Joe/Brad type of player.

I saw somewhere that there's a chance the Conley deal, this deal, and a future Giannis deal could all be wrapped into one.

Not sure if that's true at all -- but found it interesting. Usually these things don't go hanging in the balance for two days but what do I know. Maybe just wanted to pull Simons off the court now because we have back-to-back games.

[Muzzy66]

I like this a lot.  I've wanted Vucevic here for years, and while he may not be the same all-star calibre player he once was, he is still a very skilled and well-rounded offensive player with good BBIQ and is a big, strong body.  He can rebound at a high level, he can bang inside, he can score in the post and shoot the three, and a good passing big too. 

I feel like he can bring a lot of the Al Horford dynamic on the offensive end, even though he's obviously not on Horford's level defensively.

I'm not as concerned about the loss of Simon's offensive.  Simons was averaging 20.8 points, 3.5 assists. 3.5 per 36 on 44% / 38% / 89% shooting.  Vucevic this season has averaged 19.7 points, 10.5 reb, 4.4 ast per 36 on 50% / 38% / 84% shooting. 

Simon's is definitely a much stronger ISO scorer and a more dynamic shot creator, but Vucevic is no slouch as a scorer either, is significantly more efficient, and contributes a lot more outside of just scoring. 

What kind of move do we make for a PG now? If White or PP gets hurt (or takes a night off), we're awfully thin. What's happening with Conley?

I could see us potentially starting Vucevic and Queta together as a double-big lineup.  They are both quality rebounders and I feel like they their skills sets are complimentary - Vucevic brings the more rounded offensive game, while Queta can handle the rim protection and is athletic enough to guard quicker bigs. 

C: Vucevic
PF: Queta
SF: Brown
SG: White
PG: Pritchard

Once Tatum returns that could mean moving Pritchard back to a 6th man role, where he's always been pretty effective.   

C: Vucevic
PF: Queta
SF: Tatum
SG: Brown
PG: White
6th man: Pritchard

[radiohead]

I?m excited to see how Vuc fits in with our offensive schemes. Is he a lob threat like Q? His outside threat will most certainly allow JB to operate with more room inside. Can?t wait.

[rondohondo]

Vicevic and Pritchard are going to be big trouble for 2nd units.

White / PP
Hugo /Shiermen
Jaylen / Hauser
Tatum/ Garza
Queta / Vucevic

I like the energy and hustle Hugo brings to the starting lineup.

Keep one of brown or Tatum in with the 2nd unit

2nd unit

PP ,  Brown or Tatum, Hauser, garza and vucevic is a lethal 2nd unit

[Neurotic Guy]

Vicevic and Pritchard are going to be big trouble for 2nd units.

White / PP
Hugo /Shiermen
Jaylen / Hauser
Tatum/ Garza
Queta / Vucevic

I like the energy and hustle Hugo brings to the starting lineup.

Keep one of brown or Tatum in with the 2nd unit

2nd unit

PP ,  Brown or Tatum, Hauser, garza and vucevic is a lethal 2nd unit

No Walsh in your rotation?

[Phantom255x]

Apparently on social media his nickname is Vucci-Mane

I dig it