Is JB a future Hall of Famer?

[jambr380]

Probably not if he retired right now, but definitely if he continues how he's been playing the last few years over the next 3-4.

People talk about guys like DeRozan, Horford, and Jrue making it and Jaylen is better than them. He just needs to make a couple more all-star games and he should be a lock. The Finals MVP is a nice boost, too

[boscel33]

basketball-reference has his probability at 2.1% in large part because he has very few All NBA Teams.  Tatum is 59.6% which makes him all but a lock as the only person with a better percentage not in the HOF that is eligible is Marion. Tatum is that high because of the All NBA 1st Team's even without him winning any postseason hardware (I mean we all know he was better than Brown, and led the C's in points, assists, and rebounds in both the ECF and Finals, but for some reason Brown won the MVP's in each of those series).

Now Brown might be one of the exceptions because of the postseason awards (rightfully or not, he does have them).  The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

Of active players, Brown is 36th on the list and currently between Beal and Siakam.

The HOF probability is not an exact science but it is pretty accurate.  So I'd say no unless he starts piling up the All NBA teams (and he is clearly on pace for at least the 2nd team this year).

no it's just YOU that continues to p--- and moan about that and I was wondering when you were going to try to get in another one of your cheap shots of Jaylen hate about that.  the way he's upped his game this year must be killing you because you still have to knock his efforts by only giving him a possible second team honor this year.

Love this!  Thank you for calling him out!

So, I went out and looked at HOFers for the NBA.  One name that jumped out at me was Michael Cooper who was inducted in 2024.  I didn't think of him as a HOFer, but sure enough he is.  Here is a comparison of Brown vs Coop:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/y0rK0

Another is Chris Bosh, couldn't believe he was in:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/TIO2Y

[ChillyWilly]

We even debating this? Yes Jaylen is a HoFer. I could name a dozen guys off the top of my head in now that JB has accomplished more than. I'm sure if we looked at the list in detail we'd find a bunch more.

[Moranis]

basketball-reference has his probability at 2.1% in large part because he has very few All NBA Teams.  Tatum is 59.6% which makes him all but a lock as the only person with a better percentage not in the HOF that is eligible is Marion. Tatum is that high because of the All NBA 1st Team's even without him winning any postseason hardware (I mean we all know he was better than Brown, and led the C's in points, assists, and rebounds in both the ECF and Finals, but for some reason Brown won the MVP's in each of those series).

Now Brown might be one of the exceptions because of the postseason awards (rightfully or not, he does have them).  The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

Of active players, Brown is 36th on the list and currently between Beal and Siakam.

The HOF probability is not an exact science but it is pretty accurate.  So I'd say no unless he starts piling up the All NBA teams (and he is clearly on pace for at least the 2nd team this year).

no it's just YOU that continues to p--- and moan about that and I was wondering when you were going to try to get in another one of your cheap shots of Jaylen hate about that.  the way he's upped his game this year must be killing you because you still have to knock his efforts by only giving him a possible second team honor this year.

Love this!  Thank you for calling him out!

So, I went out and looked at HOFers for the NBA.  One name that jumped out at me was Michael Cooper who was inducted in 2024.  I didn't think of him as a HOFer, but sure enough he is.  Here is a comparison of Brown vs Coop:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/y0rK0

Another is Chris Bosh, couldn't believe he was in:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/TIO2Y

Cooper has a DPOY and 8 All Defense Teams along with the 5 titles. Those matter a lot.

Bosh is more in the Walton camp I think.  The blood clots really shortened his career and I think that helped him get in.    People sort of projected out his career had he not had it end at 31 and with the last few seasons a bit diminished. 

[Roy H.]

The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

That speaks more to the flaws in the formula than it does about Jaylen's credentials versus people already in the Hall of Fame.  For instance, Jaylen could retire today and have better credentials than Bill Bradley.

[Who]

Yes by the end of his career he will be. Team success is a huge factor in his favour.

[slamtheking]

basketball-reference has his probability at 2.1% in large part because he has very few All NBA Teams.  Tatum is 59.6% which makes him all but a lock as the only person with a better percentage not in the HOF that is eligible is Marion. Tatum is that high because of the All NBA 1st Team's even without him winning any postseason hardware (I mean we all know he was better than Brown, and led the C's in points, assists, and rebounds in both the ECF and Finals, but for some reason Brown won the MVP's in each of those series).

Now Brown might be one of the exceptions because of the postseason awards (rightfully or not, he does have them).  The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

Of active players, Brown is 36th on the list and currently between Beal and Siakam.

The HOF probability is not an exact science but it is pretty accurate.  So I'd say no unless he starts piling up the All NBA teams (and he is clearly on pace for at least the 2nd team this year).

no it's just YOU that continues to p--- and moan about that and I was wondering when you were going to try to get in another one of your cheap shots of Jaylen hate about that.  the way he's upped his game this year must be killing you because you still have to knock his efforts by only giving him a possible second team honor this year.

Love this!  Thank you for calling him out!

So, I went out and looked at HOFers for the NBA.  One name that jumped out at me was Michael Cooper who was inducted in 2024.  I didn't think of him as a HOFer, but sure enough he is.  Here is a comparison of Brown vs Coop:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/y0rK0

Another is Chris Bosh, couldn't believe he was in:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/TIO2Y

Cooper has a DPOY and 8 All Defense Teams along with the 5 titles. Those matter a lot.

Bosh is more in the Walton camp I think.  The blood clots really shortened his career and I think that helped him get in.    People sort of projected out his career had he not had it end at 31 and with the last few seasons a bit diminished.

health issues shouldn't be accounted for in Hall voting and in Walton's case, if he hadn't won a second title when joining the C's and winning 6th man of the year he likely wouldn't have gotten in.  Bosh shouldn't be in the Hall and I don't think Cooper should be as well.  Great defender who was less than mediocre on offense.  if he didn't play with Magic, who made everyone on the Lakers look better than they were, he wouldn't be in the Hall either.

[Redz]

Yes by the end of his career he will be. Team success is a huge factor in his favour.

Without looking at all time leaders in this category, I?m going to guess that by the end of his career JB (and JT) will be in a very elite group amongst the all-time scores in playoffs history.  They will have both played on so many teams that made deep runs. 

I do believe JB will be in the HOF.

[Moranis]

The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

That speaks more to the flaws in the formula than it does about Jaylen's credentials versus people already in the Hall of Fame.  For instance, Jaylen could retire today and have better credentials than Bill Bradley.

He absolutely does, but Bradley also shouldn't be in the HOF, but that is probably also true of DeBusschere as well from those Knicks teams of the 70's (Reed, Frazier, and Monroe are clearly HOFers).  I think the NY factor played a large role in those 2 making it.  5 HOFers from those teams is just odd. This isn't the Russell Celtics where there was just sustained winning for so long which elevates some lesser players. 

If Boston gets a 2nd title, I think that will probably push Brown in.  If they don't get the 2nd title, I think Brown needs a few more seasons like this one where he has the mega stats and will be on an All NBA Team. 

[Moranis]

basketball-reference has his probability at 2.1% in large part because he has very few All NBA Teams.  Tatum is 59.6% which makes him all but a lock as the only person with a better percentage not in the HOF that is eligible is Marion. Tatum is that high because of the All NBA 1st Team's even without him winning any postseason hardware (I mean we all know he was better than Brown, and led the C's in points, assists, and rebounds in both the ECF and Finals, but for some reason Brown won the MVP's in each of those series).

Now Brown might be one of the exceptions because of the postseason awards (rightfully or not, he does have them).  The only 2 people in Brown's range in the HOF are Walton and Nelson and Walton was obviously a league MVP but hurt all the time, and Nelson got in as a coach, not a player.

Of active players, Brown is 36th on the list and currently between Beal and Siakam.

The HOF probability is not an exact science but it is pretty accurate.  So I'd say no unless he starts piling up the All NBA teams (and he is clearly on pace for at least the 2nd team this year).

no it's just YOU that continues to p--- and moan about that and I was wondering when you were going to try to get in another one of your cheap shots of Jaylen hate about that.  the way he's upped his game this year must be killing you because you still have to knock his efforts by only giving him a possible second team honor this year.

Love this!  Thank you for calling him out!

So, I went out and looked at HOFers for the NBA.  One name that jumped out at me was Michael Cooper who was inducted in 2024.  I didn't think of him as a HOFer, but sure enough he is.  Here is a comparison of Brown vs Coop:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/y0rK0

Another is Chris Bosh, couldn't believe he was in:  https://www.sports-reference.com/stathead/tiny/TIO2Y

Cooper has a DPOY and 8 All Defense Teams along with the 5 titles. Those matter a lot.

Bosh is more in the Walton camp I think.  The blood clots really shortened his career and I think that helped him get in.    People sort of projected out his career had he not had it end at 31 and with the last few seasons a bit diminished.

health issues shouldn't be accounted for in Hall voting and in Walton's case, if he hadn't won a second title when joining the C's and winning 6th man of the year he likely wouldn't have gotten in.  Bosh shouldn't be in the Hall and I don't think Cooper should be as well.  Great defender who was less than mediocre on offense.  if he didn't play with Magic, who made everyone on the Lakers look better than they were, he wouldn't be in the Hall either.

Cooper had 5 1st Team Defense and 3 2nd Team Defense.  He won the DPOY.  He was a key member of 5 championship teams. Sure Magic, Kareem, and Worthy were better and more important than he was, but his defense was key, especially next to Magic who wasn't a defender.  His probability is less than Brown, but he has the major regular season award and a lot more titles (obviously with a lesser role).  And Cooper just got in, near the end of his eligibility and in a weak year. So it isn't like he was a clear HOF.

I think Bosh is a lot better player than he is remembered for.  He was the #1 option on a playoff team,and high a season where his PER was 4th.  His numbers obviously dropped in Miami going to the 3rd option, but he filled that role well and the Heat were a significantly different team when he played verse when he didn't (the Celtics series in 12 is a great example of this). In the short time he had after Lebron in Miami, he bumped his numbers way back up before the blood clots ended his career.  Even with the career cut short he has several categories of stats where he is top 100 all time, plus the 2 titles and 2 runnerups.  Whether injuries should matter, I think they do with many voters as I think Bosh would have ended up in the top 50 in rebounds and a top 100 scorer in league history had he not had to retire. 

Rose will be the next injury guy to come up.  I will be curious to see what the voters do with him.  I mean he was a league MVP afterall before he blew out his knee and was never the same.

[Redz]

I did go back and look at the All Time Playoff Scoring Leaders and it does seem to be a pretty good indicator for HOF status.  Check out the list.  Everyone in the Top 25 is either in the HOF or a future sure thing.  As far as I can see it continues all the way down until we hit Jimmy Butler at 40 for sure things (is Jimmy Butler a Hall of Famer might be the better question?  Has JB had a better career than him?)

Tatum is currently 34 and JB 42 on the list.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_career_p.html

[aefgogreen]

We even debating this? Yes Jaylen is a HoFer. I could name a dozen guys off the top of my head in now that JB has accomplished more than. I'm sure if we looked at the list in detail we'd find a bunch more.

I always come back to Billups - but him being both All-NBA and All-defense showed several times showed strength on both sides of the ball. The Finals MVP was the cherry on top. JB doesn't have the all-defense accolades. I think it is going to be a struggle to rack up more All-NBA selections (after this year) so he's going to have to get a 2 or 3 more all star selections.

[Roy H.]

If Boston gets a 2nd title, I think that will probably push Brown in.  If they don't get the 2nd title, I think Brown needs a few more seasons like this one where he has the mega stats and will be on an All NBA Team.

I'm going to presume that he makes the All-Star team and an All-NBA team this season.

That would leave him with 5x All-Star, 2x All-NBA, 1 title, 1 Finals MVP, 19.5 ppg / 5.4 rpg career averages

I think that would make him a borderline case.

If you add just two more seasons as an All-Star, even without a title or another All-NBA team, I think he'd basically be a lock.  But, that's a guess.  Does anybody know:  is there any 7x All-Star, 2x All-NBA player that won a title that isn't in the Hall?

EDIT:  The only 7x All-Star who is eligible that hasn't been selected for the HOF is Larry Foust, who was actually an 8x All-Star.  Eligible 6x All-Stars not in are Larry Costello (in as a contributor, not as a player), Shawn Kemp, Amare Stoudemire and Jermaine O'Neal.  So, JB seemingly just needs another couple of good seasons.

[aefgogreen]

Agree with you on all counts - 7 All-star games with the All-NBA this year gets him in.