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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2025, 02:47:52 PM »

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Reds fan here, would u do this trade:

Reds get Jarren Duran, Payton Tolle & Jake Bennett

Red Sox get Hunter Greene

Forget Tolle and it's a deal.
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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2025, 04:16:35 PM »

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Reds fan here, would u do this trade:

Reds get Jarren Duran, Payton Tolle & Jake Bennett

Red Sox get Hunter Greene

I'd really consider it. I'd probably lean no though. I think Tolle's ceiling is very high, and it's the highest in our young group.
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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2025, 06:15:53 PM »

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Reds fan here, would u do this trade:

Reds get Jarren Duran, Payton Tolle & Jake Bennett

Red Sox get Hunter Greene
Id do this. Tough to give up Tolle, but you have to give to get.

Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2025, 06:34:50 PM »

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This offseason has been such a dud, and now it's just crickets too. A handful of trades, sure, but zero FA signings along with the Rockies and frankly I don't think they've improved much from last year. All the while, other teams around them definitely have even in the division.

This feels like it'll end with us just bringing back Bregman and doing nothing else but acting all celebratory that they signed Bregman even though he was on the team last year too and they could have done a lot more in addition.
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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2025, 11:31:45 PM »

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This offseason has been such a dud, and now it's just crickets too. A handful of trades, sure, but zero FA signings along with the Rockies and frankly I don't think they've improved much from last year. All the while, other teams around them definitely have even in the division.

This feels like it'll end with us just bringing back Bregman and doing nothing else but acting all celebratory that they signed Bregman even though he was on the team last year too and they could have done a lot more in addition.

I like the trades for Gray and Contreras (Gray more so), but I don't see them as huge additions. Bringing back Bregman, or replacing him with, say, Bichette or Donovan, would make that slot pretty much the same as last year, but I've been hoping for Bregman (or equivalent) plus another big bat (Contreras is solid but doesn't qualify as a big bat, IMO). I also see Gray as replacing Giolito, but I was hoping for similar with the rotation?Giolito (or equivalent) plus another good starter.

My guess, though, is that they'll grab Bregman or equivalent and call it good, and spin it by saying that the addition of Contreras plus a full season of Anthony will be a significant upgrade to the offense, and that a full season of Early and Tolle will be a significant upgrade to the rotation. Maybe those things will prove true, but odds are that not everything will work out as they're hoping. Injuries are inevitable, though hopefully they're not too bad. I don't want another season in which the lineup regularly features 2-3 of Hamilton/Sogard/Eaton and the rotation requires triple-A stopgaps for large chunks of time. (FYI, I don't have high hopes for Harrison, Hicks, or Sandoval).
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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2025, 09:54:20 AM »

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This offseason has been such a dud, and now it's just crickets too. A handful of trades, sure, but zero FA signings along with the Rockies and frankly I don't think they've improved much from last year. All the while, other teams around them definitely have even in the division.

This feels like it'll end with us just bringing back Bregman and doing nothing else but acting all celebratory that they signed Bregman even though he was on the team last year too and they could have done a lot more in addition.

I like the trades for Gray and Contreras (Gray more so), but I don't see them as huge additions. Bringing back Bregman, or replacing him with, say, Bichette or Donovan, would make that slot pretty much the same as last year, but I've been hoping for Bregman (or equivalent) plus another big bat (Contreras is solid but doesn't qualify as a big bat, IMO). I also see Gray as replacing Giolito, but I was hoping for similar with the rotation?Giolito (or equivalent) plus another good starter.

My guess, though, is that they'll grab Bregman or equivalent and call it good, and spin it by saying that the addition of Contreras plus a full season of Anthony will be a significant upgrade to the offense, and that a full season of Early and Tolle will be a significant upgrade to the rotation. Maybe those things will prove true, but odds are that not everything will work out as they're hoping. Injuries are inevitable, though hopefully they're not too bad. I don't want another season in which the lineup regularly features 2-3 of Hamilton/Sogard/Eaton and the rotation requires triple-A stopgaps for large chunks of time. (FYI, I don't have high hopes for Harrison, Hicks, or Sandoval).

I think the pitching will be improved over last season, even if nothing more is done.  Here are last seasons starting pitchers (# starts) with this year's projected starter:

2025                    2026
Crochet    (32)      Crochet
Bello        (28)      Bello
Giolito      (26)      Gray
Buehler    (22)      Oviedo
Dobbins   (11)      Crawford
Fitts         (10)     Sandoval
Houck       (9)      Harrison
8 others   (<5)     Houck, Early, Tolle

BOS ranked 6th in the AL last season for starting pitching ERA and 5th in most innings by starters.  Crawford, Sandoval, and Houck have injury/recovery questions but overall, I feel this season will be more durable than last (but you never know).
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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2025, 10:03:23 AM »

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This offseason has been such a dud, and now it's just crickets too. A handful of trades, sure, but zero FA signings along with the Rockies and frankly I don't think they've improved much from last year. All the while, other teams around them definitely have even in the division.

This feels like it'll end with us just bringing back Bregman and doing nothing else but acting all celebratory that they signed Bregman even though he was on the team last year too and they could have done a lot more in addition.

I like the trades for Gray and Contreras (Gray more so), but I don't see them as huge additions. Bringing back Bregman, or replacing him with, say, Bichette or Donovan, would make that slot pretty much the same as last year, but I've been hoping for Bregman (or equivalent) plus another big bat (Contreras is solid but doesn't qualify as a big bat, IMO). I also see Gray as replacing Giolito, but I was hoping for similar with the rotation?Giolito (or equivalent) plus another good starter.

My guess, though, is that they'll grab Bregman or equivalent and call it good, and spin it by saying that the addition of Contreras plus a full season of Anthony will be a significant upgrade to the offense, and that a full season of Early and Tolle will be a significant upgrade to the rotation. Maybe those things will prove true, but odds are that not everything will work out as they're hoping. Injuries are inevitable, though hopefully they're not too bad. I don't want another season in which the lineup regularly features 2-3 of Hamilton/Sogard/Eaton and the rotation requires triple-A stopgaps for large chunks of time. (FYI, I don't have high hopes for Harrison, Hicks, or Sandoval).

I think the pitching will be improved over last season, even if nothing more is done.  Here are last seasons starting pitchers (# starts) with this year's projected starter:

2025                    2026
Crochet    (32)      Crochet
Bello        (28)      Bello
Giolito      (26)      Gray
Buehler    (22)      Oviedo
Dobbins   (11)      Crawford
Fitts         (10)     Sandoval
Houke       (9)      Harrison
8 others   (<5)     Houke, Early, Tolle

BOS ranked 6th in the AL last season for starting pitching ERA and 5th in most innings by starters.  Crawford, Sandoval, and Houke have injury/recovery questions but overall, I feel this season will be more durable than last (but you never know).

The pitching should be "good enough".  It's a legit rotation.  It's definitely not a special rotation.


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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2025, 11:39:05 AM »

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This offseason has been such a dud, and now it's just crickets too. A handful of trades, sure, but zero FA signings along with the Rockies and frankly I don't think they've improved much from last year. All the while, other teams around them definitely have even in the division.

This feels like it'll end with us just bringing back Bregman and doing nothing else but acting all celebratory that they signed Bregman even though he was on the team last year too and they could have done a lot more in addition.

I like the trades for Gray and Contreras (Gray more so), but I don't see them as huge additions. Bringing back Bregman, or replacing him with, say, Bichette or Donovan, would make that slot pretty much the same as last year, but I've been hoping for Bregman (or equivalent) plus another big bat (Contreras is solid but doesn't qualify as a big bat, IMO). I also see Gray as replacing Giolito, but I was hoping for similar with the rotation?Giolito (or equivalent) plus another good starter.

My guess, though, is that they'll grab Bregman or equivalent and call it good, and spin it by saying that the addition of Contreras plus a full season of Anthony will be a significant upgrade to the offense, and that a full season of Early and Tolle will be a significant upgrade to the rotation. Maybe those things will prove true, but odds are that not everything will work out as they're hoping. Injuries are inevitable, though hopefully they're not too bad. I don't want another season in which the lineup regularly features 2-3 of Hamilton/Sogard/Eaton and the rotation requires triple-A stopgaps for large chunks of time. (FYI, I don't have high hopes for Harrison, Hicks, or Sandoval).

I think the pitching will be improved over last season, even if nothing more is done.  Here are last seasons starting pitchers (# starts) with this year's projected starter:

2025                    2026
Crochet    (32)      Crochet
Bello        (28)      Bello
Giolito      (26)      Gray
Buehler    (22)      Oviedo
Dobbins   (11)      Crawford
Fitts         (10)     Sandoval
Houck       (9)      Harrison
8 others   (<5)     Houck, Early, Tolle

BOS ranked 6th in the AL last season for starting pitching ERA and 5th in most innings by starters.  Crawford, Sandoval, and Houke have injury/recovery questions but overall, I feel this season will be more durable than last (but you never know).

The pitching should be "good enough".  It's a legit rotation.  It's definitely not a special rotation.

I look at it as good enough as the worst case.  But if you start to imagine the best case, it could be a very strong rotation, albeit probably not "special" (not sure how to define that in any case).  For example, could Houck return to an all star level starter for the second half of the season?  Will one (or more) of Harrison, Early, Tolle emerge as a top end starter?  Could Sandoval provide what Giolito did?  Of course, with every pleasant surprise, there will be disappointments too (unexpected injuries).  But that is why this depth is such an asset.  Other than Crochet going down, this rotation can absorb other adversity and still be fine.

This rotation should be able to be good enough for the entire season, no matter what.  The depth can come in when there are injuries or other problems.  And with some things breaking your way, it could be at times very good.

Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
« Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 04:08:07 PM »

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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.
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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.

That Devers money being put to good use!
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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.

I believe you are right, but there is still time for ownership to step up to the plate....keep in mind that Bregman signed as a free agent last season in mid-February. 
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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.

I believe you are right, but there is still time for ownership to step up to the plate....keep in mind that Bregman signed as a free agent last season in mid-February.

They nailed those early arbitration avoidance settlements for their middling roster spots though.
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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.

I believe you are right, but there is still time for ownership to step up to the plate....keep in mind that Bregman signed as a free agent last season in mid-February.

Ironically, their only main FA signing could end up being just bringing him back.

I'm sure they'll add a few depth pieces too, but this has been pretty disappointing. There's way too much reliance on the young guys and Casas again, and while the pitching depth is better I still don't think they have a #2 behind Crochet.

And it just continues to show the Devers trade was about the contract. They haven't replaced him, and don't tell me Roman Anthony is the replacement. They could have easily had both in the lineup.
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Red Sox haven?t signed a single FA this offseason. Believe they are the only team in baseball without a signing.

I believe you are right, but there is still time for ownership to step up to the plate....keep in mind that Bregman signed as a free agent last season in mid-February.

Ironically, their only main FA signing could end up being just bringing him back.

I'm sure they'll add a few depth pieces too, but this has been pretty disappointing. There's way too much reliance on the young guys and Casas again, and while the pitching depth is better I still don't think they have a #2 behind Crochet.

And it just continues to show the Devers trade was about the contract. They haven't replaced him, and don't tell me Roman Anthony is the replacement. They could have easily had both in the lineup.

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Re: Red Sox 2025-26 Off Season
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The Cubs and third baseman Alex Bregman are in agreement on a five-year, $175MM contract, per Jon Heyman of the New York Post and Jeff Passan of ESPN. The deal does not have opt-outs, and Bregman receives a no-trade clause, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
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