Quentin Grimes

[Goldstar88]

The Celtics should go after him. Philly has too many guards with Maxey, VJ, and McCain who is back tonight. Quentin signed a 1 year deal with the 76ers for $8M and is averaging 18pts, 5rebs, 5ast with 45/45/77 shooting splits. He?s 6?4? 210lbs, so decent size for a SG.

Starters: White, Grimes, Brown, Tatum, Queta.
Bench: Pritchard, Hauser, Minott, Hugo, FA Center

I think that could be a contending team.

[Surferdad]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

[ozgod]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

[Goldstar88]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

I mean, $20M/year for a guy who is averaging 18/5/5 with excellent shooting seems pretty fair to me. The Celtics aren?t contending with what they have. They lost too much talent.

[slamtheking]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

[slamtheking]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

I mean, $20M/year for a guy who is averaging 18/5/5 with excellent shooting seems pretty fair to me. The Celtics aren?t contending with what they have. They lost too much talent.

they won't be contending by replacing Simons with Grimes either.  Need big men that can provide some offense, rebounding and solid defense.

[Goldstar88]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

[slamtheking]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

and if we need a defender in the backcourt we use White, Brown, Hugo.  frontcourt is a far greater need or have you not seen how badly we're getting killed on the boards this year?

[Goldstar88]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

and if we need a defender in the backcourt we use White, Brown, Hugo.  frontcourt is a far greater need or have you not seen how badly we're getting killed on the boards this year?

Seems like Boston not having their starting PF (Tatum) who averages 9 rebounds a game is a big reason why the C?s are getting killed on the boards. Also, Hugo isn?t a rotation player on a playoff team. He plays hard, but is very raw.

[ozgod]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

I mean, $20M/year for a guy who is averaging 18/5/5 with excellent shooting seems pretty fair to me. The Celtics aren?t contending with what they have. They lost too much talent.

Unfortunately for Quentin, you didn't work for any of the NBA front offices, because nobody took him up on his ask of $20-$25m a season (and that was down from $30m). 

On the flip side: Grimes took his one-year, $8.7 million qualifying offer in Philadelphia because the Sixers did not think he was worth close to the $25 million annual salary range that the Grimes camp was seeking.

The sides were so far apart, sources say, that Philadelphia saw little need all summer to make an offer of any kind to Grimes until the week before training camps opened.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/restricted-free-agency-is-over-at

He's a good example of how the cost of filling up your cap space with a high-priced role player and possibly going over the aprons, along with their associated penalties, make deals like this a lot harder to sign these days:

The Sixers' justification for their lack of interest in such a contractual framework: the team insists its intent is not merely to sign Grimes to facilitate an eventual trade. They do not see a reason to pay him significantly more money than he would get on the qualifying offer for the sake of having an easier time dealing him. Right now, the Sixers seem willing to add a very small amount of money to the $8.7 million if Grimes waives his no-trade clause; Bauman confirmed he is looking for a much more substantial bump.

If Grimes is ultimately traded during the season, his upcoming salary is of the utmost importance to Bauman. A team that trades for Grimes would not inherit the Full Bird rights currently possessed by the Sixers. They would be able to offer Grimes a deal for 2026-27 starting at up to 120 percent of his salary in the 2025-26 season. Grimes' chances of cashing in with a team that trades for him will be substantially higher if the Sixers provide him with an inflated salary. Even if Grimes approved a trade on the qualifying offer, the team inheriting non-Bird rights on him would have no ability to pay Grimes at the price point he continues to covet unless it has cap space.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/quentin-grimes-agent-david-bauman-news-breaking-exclusive-restricted-free-agency-daryl-morey-qualifying-offer-rules/

So if we were to sign him and not have his full Bird rights, there's a limit to how much we can offer him in going over the cap, which we are, while other teams can sign him outright for whatever he is asking for in full free agency...but obviously it depends on his market, which other free agents are out there, and other teams' cap situation. That would be something to consider which is why I doubt Brad would go for it.

[Goldstar88]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

I mean, $20M/year for a guy who is averaging 18/5/5 with excellent shooting seems pretty fair to me. The Celtics aren?t contending with what they have. They lost too much talent.

Unfortunately for Quentin, you didn't work for any of the NBA front offices, because nobody took him up on his ask of $20-$25m a season (and that was down from $30m). 

On the flip side: Grimes took his one-year, $8.7 million qualifying offer in Philadelphia because the Sixers did not think he was worth close to the $25 million annual salary range that the Grimes camp was seeking.[/b]

The sides were so far apart, sources say, that Philadelphia saw little need all summer to make an offer of any kind to Grimes until the week before training camps opened.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/restricted-free-agency-is-over-at

He's a good example of how the cost of filling up your cap space with a high-priced role player and possibly going over the aprons, along with their associated penalties, make deals like this a lot harder to sign these days:

The Sixers' justification for their lack of interest in such a contractual framework: the team insists its intent is not merely to sign Grimes to facilitate an eventual trade. They do not see a reason to pay him significantly more money than he would get on the qualifying offer for the sake of having an easier time dealing him. Right now, the Sixers seem willing to add a very small amount of money to the $8.7 million if Grimes waives his no-trade clause; Bauman confirmed he is looking for a much more substantial bump.

If Grimes is ultimately traded during the season, his upcoming salary is of the utmost importance to Bauman. A team that trades for Grimes would not inherit the Full Bird rights currently possessed by the Sixers. They would be able to offer Grimes a deal for 2026-27 starting at up to 120 percent of his salary in the 2025-26 season. Grimes' chances of cashing in with a team that trades for him will be substantially higher if the Sixers provide him with an inflated salary. Even if Grimes approved a trade on the qualifying offer, the team inheriting non-Bird rights on him would have no ability to pay Grimes at the price point he continues to covet unless it has cap space.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/quentin-grimes-agent-david-bauman-news-breaking-exclusive-restricted-free-agency-daryl-morey-qualifying-offer-rules/

So if we were to sign him and not have his full Bird rights, there's a limit to how much we can offer him in going over the cap, which we are, while other teams can sign him outright for whatever he is asking for in full free agency...but obviously it depends on his market, which other free agents are out there, and other teams' cap situation. That would be something to consider which is why I doubt Brad would go for it.

Teams didn?t have the Cap space. That doesn?t mean he?s not worth $20M/year.

Dillon Brooks is $22M/year, Caldwell-Pope is $21.6M/year, Cam Johnson is $21M/year, Norman Powell is $20M/year, Josh Hart is just under $20M this year and will be over $21M next. Grimes is as good as those players.

[slamtheking]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

and if we need a defender in the backcourt we use White, Brown, Hugo.  frontcourt is a far greater need or have you not seen how badly we're getting killed on the boards this year?

Seems like Boston not having their starting PF (Tatum) who averages 9 rebounds a game is a big reason why the C?s are getting killed on the boards. Also, Hugo isn?t a rotation player on a playoff team. He plays hard, but is very raw.

Tatum doesn't solve the problem.  he helps alleviate the situation but we're still missing out on the rebounds from KP, Al and Kornet. 

Hugo's raw but he can defend.  and if you haven't noticed by now, we're not a playoff team.  get him some playing time while we're not and when we are next season, he'll be better prepared to help the team.

no need for Grimes.  need a big man

[Goldstar88]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

and if we need a defender in the backcourt we use White, Brown, Hugo.  frontcourt is a far greater need or have you not seen how badly we're getting killed on the boards this year?

Seems like Boston not having their starting PF (Tatum) who averages 9 rebounds a game is a big reason why the C?s are getting killed on the boards. Also, Hugo isn?t a rotation player on a playoff team. He plays hard, but is very raw.

Tatum doesn't solve the problem.  he helps alleviate the situation but we're still missing out on the rebounds from KP, Al and Kornet. 

Hugo's raw but he can defend.  and if you haven't noticed by now, we're not a playoff team.  get him some playing time while we're not and when we are next season, he'll be better prepared to help the team.

no need for Grimes.  need a big man

Tatum was the best rebounder on the team the year they won the Championship. He averaged 10rpg in the playoffs. Also, you do realize that KP barely played in the postseason, right? Kornet averaged 3rebs a game. Tatum and Queta will get plenty of rebounds. The problem is having Hauser and or Pritchard as starters. Grimes would push them both to the bench. He?d be a solid addition and would help fill the void left by Jrue.

[ozgod]

He can?t be traded till January and he can veto any trade. He would be a rental as he?s looking for 20-25 million a season which I doubt Brad will give him. That?s why he took so long to accept his qualifying offer in Philly, he was expecting a big payday, but nobody was willing to stump up the money.

My friend is a Sixers fan so I followed this guy?s restricted free agency pretty closely

I mean, $20M/year for a guy who is averaging 18/5/5 with excellent shooting seems pretty fair to me. The Celtics aren?t contending with what they have. They lost too much talent.

Unfortunately for Quentin, you didn't work for any of the NBA front offices, because nobody took him up on his ask of $20-$25m a season (and that was down from $30m). 

On the flip side: Grimes took his one-year, $8.7 million qualifying offer in Philadelphia because the Sixers did not think he was worth close to the $25 million annual salary range that the Grimes camp was seeking.[/b]

The sides were so far apart, sources say, that Philadelphia saw little need all summer to make an offer of any kind to Grimes until the week before training camps opened.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/restricted-free-agency-is-over-at

He's a good example of how the cost of filling up your cap space with a high-priced role player and possibly going over the aprons, along with their associated penalties, make deals like this a lot harder to sign these days:

The Sixers' justification for their lack of interest in such a contractual framework: the team insists its intent is not merely to sign Grimes to facilitate an eventual trade. They do not see a reason to pay him significantly more money than he would get on the qualifying offer for the sake of having an easier time dealing him. Right now, the Sixers seem willing to add a very small amount of money to the $8.7 million if Grimes waives his no-trade clause; Bauman confirmed he is looking for a much more substantial bump.

If Grimes is ultimately traded during the season, his upcoming salary is of the utmost importance to Bauman. A team that trades for Grimes would not inherit the Full Bird rights currently possessed by the Sixers. They would be able to offer Grimes a deal for 2026-27 starting at up to 120 percent of his salary in the 2025-26 season. Grimes' chances of cashing in with a team that trades for him will be substantially higher if the Sixers provide him with an inflated salary. Even if Grimes approved a trade on the qualifying offer, the team inheriting non-Bird rights on him would have no ability to pay Grimes at the price point he continues to covet unless it has cap space.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/quentin-grimes-agent-david-bauman-news-breaking-exclusive-restricted-free-agency-daryl-morey-qualifying-offer-rules/

So if we were to sign him and not have his full Bird rights, there's a limit to how much we can offer him in going over the cap, which we are, while other teams can sign him outright for whatever he is asking for in full free agency...but obviously it depends on his market, which other free agents are out there, and other teams' cap situation. That would be something to consider which is why I doubt Brad would go for it.

Teams didn?t have the Cap space. That doesn?t mean he?s not worth $20M/year.

Dillon Brooks is $22M/year, Caldwell-Pope is $21.6M/year, Cam Johnson is $21M/year, Norman Powell is $20M/year, Josh Hart is just under $20M this year and will be over $21M next. Grimes is as good as those players.

The way I see it, he is worth as much as what someone's willing to pay him, and cap considerations do play into that because he got no takers. We'll see how many takers he has at $20m-$25m next season when he's a free agent. Not to say he's not worth the money relative to what other players are getting paid, but even if we trade for him now though, our ability to extend him at a higher number is limited to 120% of $8.7m, because we would only have limited Bird rights. That's why they wanted a big number for him this offseason.

There's a decent FA class next year too, for teams that do have cap space, so that will complicate the decisions FAs have on where to spend their $20-25m. In the days before the aprons teams this might have been one of the contracts that just got signed, but now they have to think of the opportunity cost of going over the aprons.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents

[slamtheking]

I like Grimes, but would rather go after a front-court player who can suck down rebounds. That seems to be the greatest need even after Tatum is back.

exactly.  frontcourt needs fixing more than the back court.  we're already loaded in the backcourt and have our own version of Grimes we'll be unloading at the deadline in Simons.

Except Grimes can actually play defense. Feel like that?s a pretty important piece you are leaving out. If Simons was actually good defensively, maybe Brad would want to keep him. 

and if we need a defender in the backcourt we use White, Brown, Hugo.  frontcourt is a far greater need or have you not seen how badly we're getting killed on the boards this year?

Seems like Boston not having their starting PF (Tatum) who averages 9 rebounds a game is a big reason why the C?s are getting killed on the boards. Also, Hugo isn?t a rotation player on a playoff team. He plays hard, but is very raw.

Tatum doesn't solve the problem.  he helps alleviate the situation but we're still missing out on the rebounds from KP, Al and Kornet. 

Hugo's raw but he can defend.  and if you haven't noticed by now, we're not a playoff team.  get him some playing time while we're not and when we are next season, he'll be better prepared to help the team.

no need for Grimes.  need a big man

Tatum was the best rebounder on the team the year they won the Championship. He averaged 10rpg in the playoffs. Also, you do realize that KP barely played in the postseason, right? Kornet averaged 3rebs a game. Tatum and Queta will get plenty of rebounds. The problem is having Hauser and or Pritchard as starters. Grimes would push them both to the bench. He?d be a solid addition and would help fill the void left by Jrue.

Tatum helps the rebounding, scoring and defense.   ignoring KP's contributions in the regular season -- you know, when most of the games are played -- doesn't address his missing contributions on scoring, rebounding and defense.  Al's contributions in those areas also need to be addressed.  Kornet didn't rebound much (which I had an issue with) but he had developed into a solid back up that could defend and be a presense on offense. 

Grimes does not solve the team's issues.  Sure, Grimes would contribute more than Walsh, Baylor or Hugo but that's not our biggest issue.  Beat that dead horse all you want but this team needs to add quality bigs before it starts adding a bench guard.  And to add to that, if they had Grimes added to this roster, he'd be coming off the bench behind PP and White, not starting.  Also, why would this team pay him 20+ mill to come off the bench when that'd mess up the work they did in the offseason to cut payroll?  too much money for someone to come off the bench that won't be a 6th man of the year level of player.  Oh, that's right, we had the 6th man winner last year who got paid a lot less -- better money management.