NBA Season 2025-26

[Who]

Queta led the team at +13 and also had the best differential at +9.8.  White's differential was +9.7, so just behind Queta.  Brown only had 6.9 WinShares.  That is 4th on the Celtics behind Queta, Pritchard, and White.  His VORP at 3.3 is 2nd to White on the team

Derrick White is amazing. To still post such huge +/- numbers while shooting the ball so poorly this season.

(1) Possession creation = his possession creation for a guard is amazing. 1.3 blocks per game. Another 1.1 steals per game. Another 4.4 rebounds per game. No other guard on the team can match that. They can't give the team all those extra possessions that White does. Each possession is worth an extra point. So White moves the scoreboard in a big way with this.

(2) Possession security = low turnover numbers. 1.7 turnovers to 5.4 assists. A 3:1 AST:TOV ratio. Minimizes mistakes. Boston benefitted greatly this season from their team-wide low turnover numbers with D-White and Pritchard being the main causes for that success. Together they averaged 10.6 assists per game against 3.1 turnovers. More extra shot attempts for the team.

That 2 guard backcourt is great for ball security. For improving ball movement and reducing turnovers.

Or now the 1 PG 3 wings 1 big lineup with White as the PG which gives the team fantastic size defensively. The ability to switch everything. Either way, as a PG or a SG, White gives the team major advantages.

Then his overall defense.

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All despite shooting 39.4% FG on 14.4 FGA and 32.7% 3PT on 8.3 three pointers per game for a TS% of 52.9%.

It is incredible White is still posting such strong advanced stats despite those bad shooting percentages.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How about we put it like this -

How many wins does this team have this year without Brown. Forget bpm or win shares or anything like that?

Most of us didn't even think we could get to .500 this year with Brown.

With White and Pritchard as our best scorers, and with Mazz developing our young guys (but those young guys not having a player like Brown to lean on offensively or bail them out in late shot clocks), how many wins do we get?

Even if you think we could scrape our way to .500 with awesome coaching and Pritchard heroics, that means that Jaylen Brown adds something like 15 wins to this team.

That is 15 winshares. I don't care what they title their stat algorhythms. I like advanced stats, but a stat called "win share" is misleading.

[Who]

How about we put it like this -

How many wins does this team have this year without Brown. Forget bpm or win shares or anything like that?

Most of us didn't even think we could get to .500 this year with Brown.

With White and Pritchard as our best scorers, and with Mazz developing our young guys (but those young guys not having a player like Brown to lean on offensively or bail them out in late shot clocks), how many wins do we get?

Even if you think we could scrape our way to .500 with awesome coaching and Pritchard heroics, that means that Jaylen Brown adds something like 15 wins to this team.

That is 15 winshares. I don't care what they title their stat algorhythms. I like advanced stats, but a stat called "win share" is misleading.

I view Jaylen as more of a 10-12 win a season type player which is about the same level I rate Horace Grant during the 1990s.

I do think Jaylen had a larger impact this season because the team he was on had less go-to scorers / shot creation with Tatum out. So they leaned more on Jaylen this year therefore he was more important than a normal season. And he delivered too. So yeah, 15 wins sounds a fair ball park for this season. I am on board with that.

I think MVP guys tend to get into the 15-20 win range. So Jaylen was around the low level of that MVP range this year - why he is getting and deserving some talk as a 4th/5th place nominee / runner up and possible 1st Team selection or one of the first names on the 2nd team. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How about we put it like this -

How many wins does this team have this year without Brown. Forget bpm or win shares or anything like that?

Most of us didn't even think we could get to .500 this year with Brown.

With White and Pritchard as our best scorers, and with Mazz developing our young guys (but those young guys not having a player like Brown to lean on offensively or bail them out in late shot clocks), how many wins do we get?

Even if you think we could scrape our way to .500 with awesome coaching and Pritchard heroics, that means that Jaylen Brown adds something like 15 wins to this team.

That is 15 winshares. I don't care what they title their stat algorhythms. I like advanced stats, but a stat called "win share" is misleading.

I view Jaylen as more of a 10-12 win a season type player which is about the same level I rate Horace Grant during the 1990s.

I do think Jaylen had a larger impact this season because the team he was on had less go-to scorers / shot creation with Tatum out. So they leaned more on Jaylen this year therefore he was more important than a normal season. And he delivered too. So yeah, 15 wins sounds a fair ball park for this season. I am on board with that.

I think MVP guys tend to get into the 15-20 win range. So Jaylen was around the low level of that MVP range this year - why he is getting and deserving some talk as a 4th/5th place nominee / runner up and possible 1st Team selection or one of the first names on the 2nd team.

Fair enough. I'm fine with that considering him that level.

I will say that a team of Pritchard, White, Queta, and bunch of young bench guys that need to develop looks more like a lottery team than a .500 team to me.

[slamtheking]

Simply put Boston was better when Brown was not in the game.

Yep, the one guy holding us back this year was definitely Jaylen Brown.

He'll never miss an opportunity to make that dig at Jaylen regardless of the fact he was far and away our best player this year and without him and his MVP-level play this season we're a lottery team.  but I guess that would be success in his book. 

[Roy H.]

Simply put Boston was better when Brown was not in the game.

Yep, the one guy holding us back this year was definitely Jaylen Brown.

He'll never miss an opportunity to make that dig at Jaylen regardless of the fact he was far and away our best player this year and without him and his MVP-level play this season we're a lottery team.  but I guess that would be success in his book.

Don't trust your eyes, slam.

ECF MVP, Finals MVP, NBA MVP candidate, NBA champion, Future HOFer Jaylen Brown doesn't contribute to winning and the Celtics are better without him.

We should probably trade him, but since he has negative value we may have to settle for a salary dump where we add draft picks.

[Atzar]

The fact that advanced stats think the Celtics are better without JB is an indictment of advanced stats, not of JB.

You know, in case the fact that some of them rate Jokic as one of the best defenders ever isn?t enough.

[slamtheking]

Simply put Boston was better when Brown was not in the game.

Yep, the one guy holding us back this year was definitely Jaylen Brown.

He'll never miss an opportunity to make that dig at Jaylen regardless of the fact he was far and away our best player this year and without him and his MVP-level play this season we're a lottery team.  but I guess that would be success in his book.

Don't trust your eyes, slam.

ECF MVP, Finals MVP, NBA MVP candidate, NBA champion, Future HOFer Jaylen Brown doesn't contribute to winning and the Celtics are better without him.

We should probably trade him, but since he has negative value we may have to settle for a salary dump where we add draft picks.

I think you're on to something Roy.  It's also just so obvious that he's incapable of contributing when playing with someone of similar skills that he has to go.  He just makes it so much harder for everyone else to overcome his deficiencies.  The C's will never win a title with him as a primary player.

Those same talking heads that know so much about all these players when voting on awards are so smart but only in Jaylen's case they don't know what they're talking about.  how could he possibly be any kind of MVP?

I just don't know if we have enough draft picks available to package with him in a deal.  We'd probably have to include Tatum too to just get rid of him.

[Moranis]

How about we put it like this -

How many wins does this team have this year without Brown. Forget bpm or win shares or anything like that?

Most of us didn't even think we could get to .500 this year with Brown.

With White and Pritchard as our best scorers, and with Mazz developing our young guys (but those young guys not having a player like Brown to lean on offensively or bail them out in late shot clocks), how many wins do we get?

Even if you think we could scrape our way to .500 with awesome coaching and Pritchard heroics, that means that Jaylen Brown adds something like 15 wins to this team.

That is 15 winshares. I don't care what they title their stat algorhythms. I like advanced stats, but a stat called "win share" is misleading.

well the team went 9-2 when he didn't play, so if we extrapolate that out that would be a 67-15 team.   

[Who]

If James chooses to leave the Lakers, he's expected to consider the Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, and possibly the LA Clippers. Each of those teams could face financial challenges with signing James, however.

I would love to see LeBron go to the LA Clippers.

LeBron and Kawhi would be perfect for each other. Great tandem at forward. They have the guards and young wings around them. That would be a fun team.

Plus it would be the ultimate slap in the face to the LA Lakers if LeBron went to Clippers and then finished ahead of / beat the Lakers in the playoffs next season.

[Moranis]

If the Magic play like this, they could beat the Pistons.  They finally look like the team many thought they'd be this year. 

[Phantom255x]

I half-wonder now if Orlando tanked their game so they could draw DET first round instead 

[Goldstar88]

Where did this Magic team come from? Wow.

[Goldstar88]

If the Magic play like this, they could beat the Pistons.  They finally look like the team many thought they'd be this year.

I agree. That might turn out to be a really good series.

[SparzWizard]

I half-wonder now if Orlando tanked their game so they could draw DET first round instead 

Probably. Could be a tough first round matchup for every team in the East...can't see any sweeps here