Any Trade Ideas For PF/C Involving Hauser, Simons And/Or Niang + Picks?

[JBcat]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.

I?d much rather use this year to audition Simons to see if he can be a part of our core. We all know about his defense. There was a time Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet were worse on defense. Kornet really transformed himself from his younger days from being a 3 point shooter to an inside presence. Simons will always have some limitations on defense due to his slight frame but our infrastructure might help him improve on that end of the floor. He does things on offense you can?t teach and he won?t have to worry about being the first option or even the 2nd option when Tatum comes back, and he is capable of exploding. Playing more off ball in a movement offense can also help him become more efficient.

[Who]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

I think you could get a 1st for A Simons but not a 1st that far off into the future. A 2031 1st. But a 1st next year or the year after where the outcome is more predictable, yeah, they can get that.

CJ McCollum got a 1st when Portland traded him to New Orleans. A Simons is a similar level player.

[Roy H.]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

I think you could get a 1st for A Simons but not a 1st that far off into the future. A 2031 1st. But a 1st next year or the year after where the outcome is more predictable, yeah, they can get that.

CJ McCollum got a 1st when Portland traded him to New Orleans. A Simons is a similar level player.

I think we're seeing a different market.  Simons is similar to Sexton, Poole, McCollum, etc., and those guys aren't bringing much back this summer.

[Who]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

I think you could get a 1st for A Simons but not a 1st that far off into the future. A 2031 1st. But a 1st next year or the year after where the outcome is more predictable, yeah, they can get that.

CJ McCollum got a 1st when Portland traded him to New Orleans. A Simons is a similar level player.

I think we're seeing a different market.  Simons is similar to Sexton, Poole, McCollum, etc., and those guys aren't bringing much back this summer.

McCollum is older now. He is 34 years old. I think the earlier trade from POR to NOP is more indicative of A Simons' value.

I do agree C Sexton and A Simons are comparable.

I'd put Poole on a lower level than Sexton or Simons.

[Csfan1984]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.

I?d much rather use this year to audition Simons to see if he can be a part of our core. We all know about his defense. There was a time Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet were worse on defense. Kornet really transformed himself from his younger days from being a 3 point shooter to an inside presence. Simons will always have some limitations on defense due to his slight frame but our infrastructure might help him improve on that end of the floor. He does things on offense you can?t teach and he won?t have to worry about being the first option or even the 2nd option when Tatum comes back, and he is capable of exploding. Playing more off ball in a movement offense can also help him become more efficient.

+1 on Simmons. Give him a shot. He is athletic enough to be a good defender at the one or two. He just needs to buy into a team and system to be a good fit.

[No Nickname]

I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.

probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.

I?d much rather use this year to audition Simons to see if he can be a part of our core. We all know about his defense. There was a time Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet were worse on defense. Kornet really transformed himself from his younger days from being a 3 point shooter to an inside presence. Simons will always have some limitations on defense due to his slight frame but our infrastructure might help him improve on that end of the floor. He does things on offense you can?t teach and he won?t have to worry about being the first option or even the 2nd option when Tatum comes back, and he is capable of exploding. Playing more off ball in a movement offense can also help him become more efficient.

+1 on Simmons. Give him a shot. He is athletic enough to be a good defender at the one or two. He just needs to buy into a team and system to be a good fit.

+2 on Simons.  I get so tired of seeing young, athletic teams like Cleveland and Indiana throw in an 8th or 9th man who is just faster/stronger than the C's backups.

I kept thinking we need an infusion of youth, like the young Reggie Lewis on those latter-year Bird teams.

Simons isn't that young any more, but he's a microwave off the bench that could throw something different at a team when the Cs hit their inevitable stretch of losing a 20-point lead.

[Csfan1984]

True about Simons speed. Holiday and Brown were limited by injuries and weren't getting to the rim last year. White is adequate but not explosive. Tatum may take a year to get explosive ability back. Simons may be a need as a guy who can attack the paint and put pressure on defenses.

[Moranis]

Stewart, Reed, Sasser

for

Simons, Tillman, Walsh

C's drop ~9.5 million this year, but add years.  Pistons drop future salary and get another scorer which they could use.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Stewart, Reed, Sasser

for

Simons, Tillman, Walsh

C's drop ~9.5 million this year, but add years.  Pistons drop future salary and get another scorer which they could use.

I was looking at a similar trade earlier today. I think it depends on what the Pistons think of Ivey. If they like him, then they probably view Ivey in that proposed role instead of Simons. If not, this makes sense.

Not sure it passes the "accentuates our best players" test though. I like Sasser, but I think Stewart and Reed don't fit next to our core guys.

[Moranis]

Stewart, Reed, Sasser

for

Simons, Tillman, Walsh

C's drop ~9.5 million this year, but add years.  Pistons drop future salary and get another scorer which they could use.

I was looking at a similar trade earlier today. I think it depends on what the Pistons think of Ivey. If they like him, then they probably view Ivey in that proposed role instead of Simons. If not, this makes sense.

Not sure it passes the "accentuates our best players" test though. I like Sasser, but I think Stewart and Reed don't fit next to our core guys.

Stewart is a decent passer, good rebounder, and excellent shot blocker.  He doesn't shoot much but did hit 32% from 3, so there are some flashes as being able to extend the floor and maybe with more shots he develops that aspect.  Obviously not a world beater, but would be a massive improvement over any other big on the team and is still young enough you'd expect some improvement.  Reed is a backup who id expect the team to dump at some point to help get under the tax entirely

[paintitgreen]

+2 on Simons.  I get so tired of seeing young, athletic teams like Cleveland and Indiana throw in an 8th or 9th man who is just faster/stronger than the C's backups.

I kept thinking we need an infusion of youth, like the young Reggie Lewis on those latter-year Bird teams.

Simons isn't that young any more, but he's a microwave off the bench that could throw something different at a team when the Cs hit their inevitable stretch of losing a 20-point lead.

What you?re saying about Simons would work if he was properly paid. I?d say Simons is worth $10-12 mil a year. He?s overpaid this year by $15 mil+. If there was a market for him, Portland would?ve traded him sooner. Maybe he has a market at the deadline for a team that doesn?t mind overpaying him for half a season. But you can?t pay $27 million for a 7th/8th man. Guys being overpaid is what kills teams in the new NBA. Simons is a good offensive player, a very bad defensive player by NBA standards, and is paid like a borderline star. He?s not that. The whole picture matters when figuring out what he is as an asset. My ideal scenario would be if Chicago?s management decided to clear out Vucevic and the Cs could swap Simons for that final year, save $6 million and have a center. But Chicago would probably want picks. Wish we had those seconds to give them but so it goes.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

+2 on Simons.  I get so tired of seeing young, athletic teams like Cleveland and Indiana throw in an 8th or 9th man who is just faster/stronger than the C's backups.

I kept thinking we need an infusion of youth, like the young Reggie Lewis on those latter-year Bird teams.

Simons isn't that young any more, but he's a microwave off the bench that could throw something different at a team when the Cs hit their inevitable stretch of losing a 20-point lead.

What you?re saying about Simons would work if he was properly paid. I?d say Simons is worth $10-12 mil a year. He?s overpaid this year by $15 mil+. If there was a market for him, Portland would?ve traded him sooner. Maybe he has a market at the deadline for a team that doesn?t mind overpaying him for half a season. But you can?t pay $27 million for a 7th/8th man. Guys being overpaid is what kills teams in the new NBA. Simons is a good offensive player, a very bad defensive player by NBA standards, and is paid like a borderline star. He?s not that. The whole picture matters when figuring out what he is as an asset. My ideal scenario would be if Chicago?s management decided to clear out Vucevic and the Cs could swap Simons for that final year, save $6 million and have a center. But Chicago would probably want picks. Wish we had those seconds to give them but so it goes.

Help me understand your valuation of what Simons contract should be. What are his comparables? Can you list a few guards coming off their second contract who were 20ppg scorers that got less than the MLE?

I've been trying to figure out what his value might be on the next contract as well. I think it would be heavily dependent on what he does this season.

[Celtics4ever]

What you?re saying about Simons would work if he was properly paid. I?d say Simons is worth $10-12 mil a year. He?s overpaid this year by $15 mil+. If there was a market for him, Portland would?ve traded him sooner. Maybe he has a market at the deadline for a team that doesn?t mind overpaying him for half a season. But you can?t pay $27 million for a 7th/8th man.

I disagree with your assessment.    This has him ranked the 17th best shooting guard in the league.  22.6 ppg, 5.5 apg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 spg, 43.0% FG%, 38.5% 3P%

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-30-shooting-guards-2024-25-season/

Stat Muse had him 11th in scoring.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/top-shooting-guards-in-scoring-2025

This website had him the 9th best PG

https://craftednba.com/player-stats


He is not a 7th or 8th best player on a team.    Just coming to our team with Tatum being out his is our 2nd or 3rd best player after Brown.   In some ways he is better than White, not defense and he has better stats than Pritchard He would slide down with a Tatum return.   I know his def rating is poor.   But please enlighten us what are you basing the player rating on?