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Quote from: Roy H. on July 07, 2025, 06:14:36 PMI don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.
I don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.
Quote from: Roy H. on July 07, 2025, 06:14:36 PMI don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.I think you could get a 1st for A Simons but not a 1st that far off into the future. A 2031 1st. But a 1st next year or the year after where the outcome is more predictable, yeah, they can get that. CJ McCollum got a 1st when Portland traded him to New Orleans. A Simons is a similar level player.
Quote from: Who on July 08, 2025, 08:58:31 AMQuote from: Roy H. on July 07, 2025, 06:14:36 PMI don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.I think you could get a 1st for A Simons but not a 1st that far off into the future. A 2031 1st. But a 1st next year or the year after where the outcome is more predictable, yeah, they can get that. CJ McCollum got a 1st when Portland traded him to New Orleans. A Simons is a similar level player.I think we're seeing a different market. Simons is similar to Sexton, Poole, McCollum, etc., and those guys aren't bringing much back this summer.
Quote from: keevsnick on July 07, 2025, 09:25:52 PMQuote from: Roy H. on July 07, 2025, 06:14:36 PMI don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.I?d much rather use this year to audition Simons to see if he can be a part of our core. We all know about his defense. There was a time Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet were worse on defense. Kornet really transformed himself from his younger days from being a 3 point shooter to an inside presence. Simons will always have some limitations on defense due to his slight frame but our infrastructure might help him improve on that end of the floor. He does things on offense you can?t teach and he won?t have to worry about being the first option or even the 2nd option when Tatum comes back, and he is capable of exploding. Playing more off ball in a movement offense can also help him become more efficient.
Quote from: JBcat on July 08, 2025, 08:29:10 AMQuote from: keevsnick on July 07, 2025, 09:25:52 PMQuote from: Roy H. on July 07, 2025, 06:14:36 PMI don't think any team is giving up a #1 for Simons.probably not, but part of the value for the Bucks wouldn't just be getting Simons it would be getting off Kuzma who is bad. And if any team was going to it would be a team who currently has no starting level guards.I?d much rather use this year to audition Simons to see if he can be a part of our core. We all know about his defense. There was a time Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet were worse on defense. Kornet really transformed himself from his younger days from being a 3 point shooter to an inside presence. Simons will always have some limitations on defense due to his slight frame but our infrastructure might help him improve on that end of the floor. He does things on offense you can?t teach and he won?t have to worry about being the first option or even the 2nd option when Tatum comes back, and he is capable of exploding. Playing more off ball in a movement offense can also help him become more efficient.+1 on Simmons. Give him a shot. He is athletic enough to be a good defender at the one or two. He just needs to buy into a team and system to be a good fit.
Stewart, Reed, SasserforSimons, Tillman, WalshC's drop ~9.5 million this year, but add years. Pistons drop future salary and get another scorer which they could use.
Quote from: Moranis on July 08, 2025, 04:33:03 PMStewart, Reed, SasserforSimons, Tillman, WalshC's drop ~9.5 million this year, but add years. Pistons drop future salary and get another scorer which they could use.I was looking at a similar trade earlier today. I think it depends on what the Pistons think of Ivey. If they like him, then they probably view Ivey in that proposed role instead of Simons. If not, this makes sense. Not sure it passes the "accentuates our best players" test though. I like Sasser, but I think Stewart and Reed don't fit next to our core guys.