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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2025, 11:12:45 PM »

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You're kidding. Please tell me they do not have coaches challenges in summer league. It is summer league!

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2025, 09:55:37 PM »

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Wizards have 7 first round picks from the last 2 years on their SL roster

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2024

Alex Sarr (No. 2)
Bub Carrington (No. 14)
AJ Johnson (No. 23)
Kyshawn George (No. 24)
Dillon Jones (No. 26)

2025

Tre Johnson III (No. 6)
Will Riley (No. 21)

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2025, 09:49:34 AM »

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Wizards have 7 first round picks from the last 2 years on their SL roster

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2024

Alex Sarr (No. 2)
Bub Carrington (No. 14)
AJ Johnson (No. 23)
Kyshawn George (No. 24)
Dillon Jones (No. 26)

2025

Tre Johnson III (No. 6)
Will Riley (No. 21)

Will be interesting to see how Sarr does year 2.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2025, 10:54:02 AM »

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Summer league is the worst quality basketball on the planet, guards who have no chance of making a team,  chucking bad shots at the expense of their team mates.

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2025, 05:23:14 PM »

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Summer league is the worst quality basketball on the planet, guards who have no chance of making a team,  chucking bad shots at the expense of their team mates.

Usually, but not always. The Jazz/76ers game where VJ and Ace faced off was a good game. Very entertaining.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2025, 10:11:58 PM »

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Ace Bailey's two point jump-shooting reminds me of Glenn Robinson. Smooth. The ease at which he creates separation and is able to get a good look at the rim is impressive. His shooting motion and how he stays square to the rim is impressive.

Big Dog wasn't much of an athlete though. More of a slow footed SF. Ace Bailey is very athletic. So Big Dog with athleticism.

I have been impressed with Ace Bailey's effort on defense & his rebounding. He has more upside there than I expected. He looks like he can become above average in both areas. A major bump to his overall effectiveness.

His shot selection hurts his offensive effectiveness. As does his lack of passing and limited ball-handling. A few nice drives where he shows his speed but his lack of handles limits how much he can use that speed advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if his offensive impact is fairly muted to begin his career if not outright negative due to shot selection hurting scoring efficiency & lack of passing hurting team offense.

It is strange. I feel more confident in his defense & rebounding as a rookie than I do his offense. If he can develop that shot selection, he could be an All-Star player. He will need to develop those handles and his playmaking to be a top 10 player. That may be too big an ask for him to accomplish. Legit All-Star talent though.

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2025, 10:15:11 PM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2025, 11:44:08 PM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

Keyonte George is 6?4. He?s the same height as Grimes. I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensabaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2025, 11:55:50 PM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

Keyonte George is 6?4. He?s the same height as Grimes. I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

Yeah but K George is skinny. He is lightweight. He can't defend SGs. He needs to play PG defensively to stay on the court. He is around 190lbs. He is like Anfernee Simons. Too lightweight to defend SGs / needs to play PGs defensively.

Q Grimes has muscle. He is 210lbs. He can defend SGs. Which is good because he doesn't have the handles to play PG.

I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

The guy I forgot all about in Utah was Taylor Hendricks. After that long layoff with injury. I forgot he was even on the team. He was looking good as a rookie. A challenger for the backup PF slot.

Someone good is going to be missing out on playing time. T Hendricks, Filipowksi, Nurkic, maybe Cody Williams. That frontcourt is crowded.

Sensabough is going to have a tough time. He is too slow to play guard. Now they got these 2 young SFs they just drafted in the lottery in back-to-back years ahead of him. He might need to move on to get an opportunity somewhere else. He sure was putting on a show in SL. Maybe someone will step up and put in an offer for him.

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2025, 08:30:36 AM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

Keyonte George is 6?4. He?s the same height as Grimes. I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

Yeah but K George is skinny. He is lightweight. He can't defend SGs. He needs to play PG defensively to stay on the court. He is around 190lbs. He is like Anfernee Simons. Too lightweight to defend SGs / needs to play PGs defensively.

Q Grimes has muscle. He is 210lbs. He can defend SGs. Which is good because he doesn't have the handles to play PG.

I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

The guy I forgot all about in Utah was Taylor Hendricks. After that long layoff with injury. I forgot he was even on the team. He was looking good as a rookie. A challenger for the backup PF slot.

Someone good is going to be missing out on playing time. T Hendricks, Filipowksi, Nurkic, maybe Cody Williams. That frontcourt is crowded.

Sensabough is going to have a tough time. He is too slow to play guard. Now they got these 2 young SFs they just drafted in the lottery in back-to-back years ahead of him. He might need to move on to get an opportunity somewhere else. He sure was putting on a show in SL. Maybe someone will step up and put in an offer for him.

Quentin Grimes is also 26 years old. Keyonte is 21. He doesn?t have a skinny frame, so he could bulk up some. In the meantime, they can have him guard the opposing PG?s and Collier can take care of the SG?s. Also, D-White is only 6?4/190lbs. I don?t consider him to be a small guard. He does a fine job guarding SG?s.
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2025, 08:47:29 AM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

Keyonte George is 6?4. He?s the same height as Grimes. I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

Yeah but K George is skinny. He is lightweight. He can't defend SGs. He needs to play PG defensively to stay on the court. He is around 190lbs. He is like Anfernee Simons. Too lightweight to defend SGs / needs to play PGs defensively.

Q Grimes has muscle. He is 210lbs. He can defend SGs. Which is good because he doesn't have the handles to play PG.

I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

The guy I forgot all about in Utah was Taylor Hendricks. After that long layoff with injury. I forgot he was even on the team. He was looking good as a rookie. A challenger for the backup PF slot.

Someone good is going to be missing out on playing time. T Hendricks, Filipowksi, Nurkic, maybe Cody Williams. That frontcourt is crowded.

Sensabough is going to have a tough time. He is too slow to play guard. Now they got these 2 young SFs they just drafted in the lottery in back-to-back years ahead of him. He might need to move on to get an opportunity somewhere else. He sure was putting on a show in SL. Maybe someone will step up and put in an offer for him.

Quentin Grimes is also 26 years old. Keyonte is 21. He doesn?t have a skinny frame, so he could bulk up some. In the meantime, they can have him guard the opposing PG?s and Collier can take care of the SG?s. Also, D-White is only 6?4/190lbs. I don?t consider him to be a small guard. He does a fine job guarding SG?s.

Wow, that is surprising that D White is only 190lbs. He doesn't look it. Keyonte George looks frail. He is painful watching him try to defend anyone who isn't a PG.

I am not invested in Keyonte George as a long term prospect. I consider him a tweener guard who is neither a PG or a SG. He is a scoring guard who doesn't score effectively. 39% FG% and 34% 3PT%. I am not confident in his long term potential. I would be trying to trade him off rather than considering him a building block.

Isaiah Collier would be interesting defending opposing SGs. See how he does. Maybe they would be an easier cover for him than PGs (from a quickness standpoint).

Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2025, 11:56:49 AM »

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I am wondering if Utah will start Ace Bailey at SG as a rookie. I'd love to see them go out and get a legit starting SG like Quentin Grimes in free agency. However, if they do not ... they appear to have 2 main options:

(1) Go small with two small guards. I Collier and Keyonte George would be the likely starters in this scenario.

(2) Go big and play with two SFs alongside one guard. I Collier the guard. Cody Williams and Ace Bailey the SFs.

G: Isaiah Collier
G: Ace Bailey
F: Cody Williams
F: Lauri Markkanen
C: Walker Kessler

That would be a fun team. Lot of size. Lot of speed. A lack of ball-handling and passing outside of the PG position though. A lack of outside shooting 1 through 3 also.

Still a good young corps to build around. Give them playing time. Let them grow. See what they have to offer.

Keyonte George is 6?4. He?s the same height as Grimes. I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

Yeah but K George is skinny. He is lightweight. He can't defend SGs. He needs to play PG defensively to stay on the court. He is around 190lbs. He is like Anfernee Simons. Too lightweight to defend SGs / needs to play PGs defensively.

Q Grimes has muscle. He is 210lbs. He can defend SGs. Which is good because he doesn't have the handles to play PG.

I?d expect the starting lineup to be Collier, George, Bailey, Markannen and Kessler. Clayton Jr, Sensebaugh, Williams, Flipowski, and Nurkic off the bench.

The guy I forgot all about in Utah was Taylor Hendricks. After that long layoff with injury. I forgot he was even on the team. He was looking good as a rookie. A challenger for the backup PF slot.

Someone good is going to be missing out on playing time. T Hendricks, Filipowksi, Nurkic, maybe Cody Williams. That frontcourt is crowded.

Sensabough is going to have a tough time. He is too slow to play guard. Now they got these 2 young SFs they just drafted in the lottery in back-to-back years ahead of him. He might need to move on to get an opportunity somewhere else. He sure was putting on a show in SL. Maybe someone will step up and put in an offer for him.

Quentin Grimes is also 26 years old. Keyonte is 21. He doesn?t have a skinny frame, so he could bulk up some. In the meantime, they can have him guard the opposing PG?s and Collier can take care of the SG?s. Also, D-White is only 6?4/190lbs. I don?t consider him to be a small guard. He does a fine job guarding SG?s.

Wow, that is surprising that D White is only 190lbs. He doesn't look it. Keyonte George looks frail. He is painful watching him try to defend anyone who isn't a PG.

I am not invested in Keyonte George as a long term prospect. I consider him a tweener guard who is neither a PG or a SG. He is a scoring guard who doesn't score effectively. 39% FG% and 34% 3PT%. I am not confident in his long term potential. I would be trying to trade him off rather than considering him a building block.

Isaiah Collier would be interesting defending opposing SGs. See how he does. Maybe they would be an easier cover for him than PGs (from a quickness standpoint).

Doesn?t look Frail at all. Keyonte George is the only Jazz player to score 30+ points(4 times) before turning 21. Youngest player to score 30pts or more in their franchise history. He?s talented. Feel like we are talking about different players. George has a lot of upside.


« Last Edit: July 10, 2025, 12:13:45 PM by Goldstar88 »
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2025, 04:59:38 PM »

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Why are New Orleans playing Derik Queen and Y Missi together?

There is no reason for Missi to be at SL. Especially if it is going to force your star recruit out of position. This isn't going to help D Queen prepare for the NBA.

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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2025, 08:37:33 PM »

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Cooper Flagg is settling in now. Looks good. Game is on ESPN.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2025, 08:45:35 PM by Goldstar88 »
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Re: NBA Summer League 2025
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2025, 10:51:08 PM »

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Poor shooting night from Coop but all other aspects of his game look good.