Shams: Kristaps Porzingis Traded In 3-Team Deal (BOS-ATL-BKN)

[perks-a-beast]

In the span of a year I went from wondering if this team could win 2-3 titles to studying highlights of Baylor Scheiermans former Creighton teammate to see if he can be our starting center on a 38 win team next year. W T F.

[flybono]

Good riddance!
Garbage garbage garbage

[Smartacus]

Not sure why people are so upset. We needed to reset the repeater penalties of the second apron and we did that. It would be gravy if we can fully reset the luxury tax but if not this was still mission accomplished.

We got a great player in return for Holdiay and nothing for Porzingis. As far as I?m concerned we?ve come out massively ahead and geared up for the rebuild without losing Jaylen, or Derrick White (yet). Simons can either be the true reset button or a rotation player in the next stage of this team. Niang can kick rocks.

[flybono]

Hauser Brown next?

[celticinorlando]

In the span of a year I went from wondering if this team could win 2-3 titles to studying highlights of Baylor Scheiermans former Creighton teammate to see if he can be our starting center on a 38 win team next year. W T F.

TP. Great post.

[Kuberski33]

In the span of a year I went from wondering if this team could win 2-3 titles to studying highlights of Baylor Scheiermans former teammate to see if he can be our starting center on a 38 win team next year. W T F.

They'll finish above .500 and make the playoffs - dangling the hope that Tatum is back for the post season. I do think they'll look considerably different from last season though. They're not physical enough up front - and missing their best rebounder in Tatum - so they've got to change the structure a bit.

[celticinorlando]

In the span of a year I went from wondering if this team could win 2-3 titles to studying highlights of Baylor Scheiermans former teammate to see if he can be our starting center on a 38 win team next year. W T F.

They'll finish above .500 and make the playoffs - dangling the hope that Tatum is back for the post season. I do think they'll look considerably different from last season though. They're not physical enough up front - and missing their best rebounder in Tatum - so they've got to change the structure a bit.

I thought they would be a lock for the playoffs but with this roster no chance. They need to really make moves to fill this team out. As is this team is not good.

[perks-a-beast]

In the span of a year I went from wondering if this team could win 2-3 titles to studying highlights of Baylor Scheiermans former teammate to see if he can be our starting center on a 38 win team next year. W T F.

They'll finish above .500 and make the playoffs - dangling the hope that Tatum is back for the post season. I do think they'll look considerably different from last season though. They're not physical enough up front - and missing their best rebounder in Tatum - so they've got to change the structure a bit.

I thought they would be a lock for the playoffs but with this roster no chance. They need to really make moves to fill this team out. As is this team is not good.

Already bracing for them to sit Jaylen with a fake injury a quarter into the season to try to get into the AJ Dybantsa sweepstakes.

[Moranis]

This trade signals to me they are tanking next year, which I think means they are trading Brown.

I don't see that.  I don't feel that these trades make it any more or less likely that they trade Brown than before the trades.

The core is Tatum - Brown - White.  How many teams have a better big 3 than that?  Not OKC I don't think.  Not IND for sure.  There may not ever be a team as good as the 2023-24 Celtics again, as long as these salary and tax rules remain.

OKC clearly and by a wide margin has not only a better top 3, but also a younger one and a much deeper supporting cast.  It isn't close.  The Lakers have a better top 3 right now. The Warriors do as well.  The Nuggets probably do as well (though that is as much because of just how better Jokic is than Tatum).  Houston does, at least for next year (and a much deeper and younger team with many more high end assets to trade).

Tatum, Brown, White simply isn't a championship core.  It really wasn't one when they won, they were just 6 deep in a strange year, but now they have 3 maybe 4 depending on how good Simons is. They aren't going to have the best player on the floor in the truly meaningful series, they have to beat those teams with depth and they just don't have it.  The team needs a real and true reset and a full-blown 1-year tank.

[perks-a-beast]

This trade signals to me they are tanking next year, which I think means they are trading Brown.

I don't see that.  I don't feel that these trades make it any more or less likely that they trade Brown than before the trades.

The core is Tatum - Brown - White.  How many teams have a better big 3 than that?  Not OKC I don't think.  Not IND for sure.  There may not ever be a team as good as the 2023-24 Celtics again, as long as these salary and tax rules remain.

OKC clearly and by a wide margin has not only a better top 3, but also a younger one and a much deeper supporting cast.  It isn't close.  The Lakers have a better top 3 right now. The Warriors do as well.  The Nuggets probably do as well (though that is as much because of just how better Jokic is than Tatum).  Houston does, at least for next year (and a much deeper and younger team with many more high end assets to trade).

Tatum, Brown, White simply isn't a championship core.  It really wasn't one when they won, they were just 6 deep in a strange year, but now they have 3 maybe 4 depending on how good Simons is. They aren't going to have the best player on the floor in the truly meaningful series, they have to beat those teams with depth and they just don't have it.  The team needs a real and true reset and a full-blown 1-year tank.

Sucks to hear but you speak the truth. Although I would like to continue to build around Tatum, I am in favor of a full tear down and re-tool this offseason. Thing is, though, I would be shocked if Stevens actually did it. He seems extremely attached to White and Brown - maybe to a fault.

[OnPoint]

So Brooklyn now has five first rounders for tomorrow. Have we ever seen five players get taken in the first round by one team?

[action781]

This trade signals to me they are tanking next year, which I think means they are trading Brown.

I don't see that.  I don't feel that these trades make it any more or less likely that they trade Brown than before the trades.

The core is Tatum - Brown - White.  How many teams have a better big 3 than that?  Not OKC I don't think.  Not IND for sure.  There may not ever be a team as good as the 2023-24 Celtics again, as long as these salary and tax rules remain.

OKC clearly and by a wide margin has not only a better top 3, but also a younger one and a much deeper supporting cast.  It isn't close.  The Lakers have a better top 3 right now. The Warriors do as well.  The Nuggets probably do as well (though that is as much because of just how better Jokic is than Tatum).  Houston does, at least for next year (and a much deeper and younger team with many more high end assets to trade).

Tatum, Brown, White simply isn't a championship core.  It really wasn't one when they won, they were just 6 deep in a strange year, but now they have 3 maybe 4 depending on how good Simons is. They aren't going to have the best player on the floor in the truly meaningful series, they have to beat those teams with depth and they just don't have it.  The team needs a real and true reset and a full-blown 1-year tank.

Tatum, Brown, White "Isn't a championship core?"  They're literally the core that won a championship.  How else could one possibly define a championship core?

If you're going to discount Celtics championship as a winning a "strange year", then you should discount OKC's title in a game 7 when the opposing team's best player got injured.  And Denver's title where they only had to play two 8-seeds, a 7-seed, and a 4-seed.  And of course LeBron's mickey mouse title.  And so on...

Please tell me how many championship cores there actually are in the league if the Celtics do not have one.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This trade signals to me they are tanking next year, which I think means they are trading Brown.

I don't see that.  I don't feel that these trades make it any more or less likely that they trade Brown than before the trades.

The core is Tatum - Brown - White.  How many teams have a better big 3 than that?  Not OKC I don't think.  Not IND for sure.  There may not ever be a team as good as the 2023-24 Celtics again, as long as these salary and tax rules remain.

OKC clearly and by a wide margin has not only a better top 3, but also a younger one and a much deeper supporting cast.  It isn't close.  The Lakers have a better top 3 right now. The Warriors do as well.  The Nuggets probably do as well (though that is as much because of just how better Jokic is than Tatum).  Houston does, at least for next year (and a much deeper and younger team with many more high end assets to trade).

Tatum, Brown, White simply isn't a championship core.  It really wasn't one when they won, they were just 6 deep in a strange year, but now they have 3 maybe 4 depending on how good Simons is. They aren't going to have the best player on the floor in the truly meaningful series, they have to beat those teams with depth and they just don't have it.  The team needs a real and true reset and a full-blown 1-year tank.

I'm definitely taking the Celtics top 3 over the Lakers, Warriors, Nuggets, and Houston, especially if we are talking about the 26-27 season.

I see the argument for OKC, but I like White and Brown a lot better than Williams and Holgrem.

[perks-a-beast]

So Brooklyn now has five first rounders for tomorrow. Have we ever seen five players get taken in the first round by one team?

They may very well be the first seeing as they currently only have 5 players on guaranteed contracts next year - Cam Johnson, Nic Claxton, Terence Mann, Noah Clowney, Dariq Whitehead.

[Vermont Green]

This trade signals to me they are tanking next year, which I think means they are trading Brown.

I don't see that.  I don't feel that these trades make it any more or less likely that they trade Brown than before the trades.

The core is Tatum - Brown - White.  How many teams have a better big 3 than that?  Not OKC I don't think.  Not IND for sure.  There may not ever be a team as good as the 2023-24 Celtics again, as long as these salary and tax rules remain.

OKC clearly and by a wide margin has not only a better top 3, but also a younger one and a much deeper supporting cast.  It isn't close.  The Lakers have a better top 3 right now. The Warriors do as well.  The Nuggets probably do as well (though that is as much because of just how better Jokic is than Tatum).  Houston does, at least for next year (and a much deeper and younger team with many more high end assets to trade).

Tatum, Brown, White simply isn't a championship core.  It really wasn't one when they won, they were just 6 deep in a strange year, but now they have 3 maybe 4 depending on how good Simons is. They aren't going to have the best player on the floor in the truly meaningful series, they have to beat those teams with depth and they just don't have it.  The team needs a real and true reset and a full-blown 1-year tank.

I am not worried about the Lakers or GSW.  We are talking about 2026-27.  Durant probably is not a factor by then either.  Denver and OKC are at least worth debating.  Jokic and Murray are only in the discussion if Murray is healthy.  I expect DEN to be in the mix for sure, but I feel Tatum-Brown-White are right there with them at worst (assuming Tatum returns to form).

I don't buy that OKC with SGA-Williams-Holmgren are any better than Tatum-Brown-White.  OKC is going to be facing the same issues of resigning their players and dealing with the 2nd apron.  Right now, all the supporting cast are on rookie contracts, but that doesn't last forever.