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Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2025, 04:49:33 PM »

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Giolito looks like he has turned the corner. It would be great if 2 of Dobbins, Buehler and Bello hold in. I?m nervous about Crochet. He?s never pitched more than 150 innnings or so in a season and he?s gotta be pushing 100 already this year.

Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2025, 10:46:00 PM »

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Devers has more hits and RBIs than the entire Red Sox team tonight. Zero hits through 4! :blank:
« Last Edit: June 17, 2025, 11:23:42 PM by Goldstar88 »
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Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2025, 12:20:20 AM »

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The Boston Red Sox traded:

Rafael Devers
Mookie Betts
Chris Sale

For

Jordan Hicks
Kyle Harrison
James Tibbs
Jose Bello
Jeter Downs
Alex Verdugo
Connor Wong
Vaughn Grishom

I can't fault them for the Sale deal.  He was pretty much at the same state as Porzingis as far as trade value goes (except that he hadn't shown flashes of brilliance while healthy like KP).

And as good as Sale was for ATL last season, once the playoffs began he was hurt again and didn't pitch.

But yeah, not pretty from the Red Sox. Sale, Devers, Betts for basically Connor Wong and this SF package where honestly only 2 guys *might* have promise (Tibbs + Harrison). Hicks could help the bullpen a bit but that's about all he is

Remember that time we got Lowe and Varitek for Heathcliff Slocumb,

That was cool.
Remember that time we got Carlos Narvaez for Elmer Rodrigues-Cruz?

That was cool

Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 01:22:48 PM »

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From ESPN:

When the prospect of Bregman going to Boston surfaced, Breslow assured Devers' camp that nothing serious was afoot -- and that if it were, he would let Devers know. Cora wanted to meet with Devers in the Dominican Republic during the offseason, but Devers did not respond to messages, which was not entirely surprising -- he typically goes off the grid upon his winter retreat to Samana -- but disappointed some in the organization. Though the Red Sox were simultaneously pursuing Bregman and St. Louis Cardinals third baseman Nolan Arenado, there wasn't enough confidence in a deal being consummated with either to flag Devers.

Then Boston made its final offer to Bregman as negotiations with other teams wound down: three years, $120 million, with opt-outs after the first two seasons. Within an hour, Bregman accepted. Devers found out when the news broke. He was not panicked -- Red Sox officials said privately they planned on using Bregman at second base -- but the move registered as curious nevertheless.

When Devers showed up at spring training, the team broached the idea of him shifting to designated hitter. Their computer model said the best version of the 2025 Red Sox would feature reigning Minor League Player of the Year Kristian Campbell at second base, Bregman at third and Devers at DH. Devers was livid. A player's position is part of his identity. He was a third baseman. Beyond that, though, was a breach in the trust implicit in a contract of Devers' magnitude.

At the very least, if the Red Sox were intent on him moving positions, he wanted to ease into the new role. Play a couple times a week at third base and take the rest of his at-bats as DH. No, he was told. This was what was best for the team.

The front office's tack reinforced the feeling in the clubhouse that the organization's reliance on analytics for decision-making had come at the expense of productive interpersonal communication. At the same time, players acknowledged that Devers DHing probably would allow them to field their best lineup. After initially saying he wouldn't DH, Devers wound up relenting. After Cora told him to not even bother bringing a glove to the spring training fields, he was comfortable that at least he could focus only on hitting.

Everything changed on May 2. First baseman Triston Casas suffered a season-ending knee injury. The internal options were limited. Breslow approached Devers about moving to first. Devers couldn't believe it. He had already changed positions against his will once. Now the Red Sox were asking him to do it again. The disrespect galled him.

The team didn't believe the ask was too much. They hadn't asked him to be a clubhouse leader, a role for which he wasn't particularly well-suited. They didn't belabor his fitness or weakness in the field. This is what the money was for: to play where the team needed him to play and keep raking like one of the best hitters in the world.

He was holding up the latter part of that ask. Amid all of the consternation, Devers was evolving into perhaps the best version of himself yet. In the 73 games he played with Boston this season, he walked 56 times -- just 11 short of his career best. He was still hitting for power and neared the top of the big league leaderboard for runs batted in. For a team trying to integrate Campbell as well as rookies Roman Anthony and Marcelo Mayer, Devers was a rock in the No. 2 hole. Teams in transitional phases like the Red Sox need players on whom they can rely, and Devers' bat was nothing if not reliable.

His refusal to play first, though, coalesced ownership, the front office and the coaching staff. If they were going to build the sort of winning culture that permeated the organization throughout the 2000s and 2010s, what sort of message did it send that the team's best player refused to do what they felt was best for the team? After Devers told the media he would not play first, Henry, Red Sox CEO Sam Kennedy and Breslow flew to Kansas City, where Boston was playing, to speak with Devers. He met again with Henry for breakfast the next day, according to a source. Devers indicated he would prepare to play the position in 2026 if the team wanted to move him there full-time. While publicly the Red Sox deemed the meetings productive, they knew what was happening next.

Rafael Devers was getting traded, public consequences be [dang]ed.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 02:40:17 PM »

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What a mess. Devers was petulant at times, but the front office was/is the real problem.
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Re: Devers traded to Giants
« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 03:29:15 PM »

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I felt (and probably posted) that they should start the season with Devers at 3B, Bregman at 2B, and go from there.  Not sure who the DH would be but they could figure that out.  My expectation was that Devers would wear down and end up injured (like recent seasons) if he played 3B every day.  Sounds like he was open to transitioning to DH (if the report is true).  That is what I would have done.  If their model said this was a bad idea or not the best idea, then I think the model was wrong and they were dumb to follow it blindly.

That said, I think Devers did overreact to the issue, especially when they asked him to play 1B.  I don't think he would have been good at 1B and they probably wouldn't have ended up playing him there much if at all, but he could have at least tried.  It should be noted that Devers was already injured to start spring training.  I am sure that factored into the decision not to put him at 3B at that time.  There was a real risk that if they started the season with him at 3B, that he would have gotten injured anyway.

Through these two "wrongs", they got to the point where they had to trade him.  Some experts are saying it is a bad contract and the Sox got a good deal.  Others are saying they could have gotten more if they were willing to eat some of the contract.  It all depends on the details, which no one knows but the Sox and whoever they were haggling with, but eating some of Sale's contract didn't make that one a good deal.