Would you do this trade?

[lbgreen33]

I saw this on Celtics Today and I thought it was interesting.
Spurs:
Devin Vassell
Harrison Barnes
2025 2nd "Dylan Harper"

Celtics:
Jaylen Brown.
I didn't do any checking on this, just posting what they had.  So, just for fun I was thinking about it and I would do it. I love Jaylen Brown, but, I really like Harper and I think Vassell has a lot of up side. So, for me this was a really intriguing option. Now, this might be complete wishful thinking that the Spurs would even consider it, But, Brown would fit really nicley with the Spurs roster.  Okay, all you guys who know way more than I do about trades can say if it is even possible?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

1. So if it is Barnes in this trade, then Barnes needs to go to a third team to get us under the 2nd apron. In my opinion, we'd also need some future picks back. Maybe we could get our future swap back and a future Hawks pick as well.

2. If it is Castle instead of Barnes, I'm all in.

[lbgreen33]

1. So if it is Barnes in this trade, then Barnes needs to go to a third team to get us under the 2nd apron. In my opinion, we'd also need some future picks back. Maybe we could get our future swap back and a future Hawks pick as well.

2. If it is Castle instead of Barnes, I'm all in.

I believe Barnes is an expiring contract, which is why they included him, really trading JB for Vassell and the 2nd pick, which I would assume will be Dylan Harper.  Harper is really fun to watch and should be a star in the league before long.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

1. So if it is Barnes in this trade, then Barnes needs to go to a third team to get us under the 2nd apron. In my opinion, we'd also need some future picks back. Maybe we could get our future swap back and a future Hawks pick as well.

2. If it is Castle instead of Barnes, I'm all in.

I believe Barnes is an expiring contract, which is why they included him, really trading JB for Vassell and the 2nd pick, which I would assume will be Dylan Harper.  Harper is really fun to watch and should be a star in the league before long.

But Barnes still has one year left on his contract. It expires after the 25-26 season.

I like Harper too.

[Who]

I would consider it but ultimately no.

It is trading a proven current star (Jaylen) for a possible future star (Dylan Harper).

(1) We are better off with a current star than a prospect given the rest of the roster. I believe we are still in the title mix. That a core of D White, Tatum, Jaylen can continue to challenge for trophies for several years to come. Waiting for a prospect to develop takes away most if not all of that window.

(2) A proven star is a sure thing. A prospect is not. We should get more back in return in addition to Dylan Harper to justify parting with Jaylen Brown. I do not think Devin Vassell (or a short term addition of H Barnes) is enough to justify it.

(3) Stephon Castle was mentioned as an addition in another post. I do not think Jaylen Brown is worth 2 prospects as brilliant as Dylan Harper + Stephon Castle. That swings the other way with it being no longer worthwhile for San Antonio. That is a package you give up for an MVP like Giannis. Not an All-Star like Jaylen.

(4) I don't know what you could add to make it worthwhile. It is probably not pieces on that roster. More future draft picks. At least 2 picks. Then it is a fair trade.

I still don't know that I would do it because you still have the 1st problem I mentioned. The window not lining up and whether that is worthwhile. Let D Harper develop. Probably 3-4 years from now. Tatum is 30-31. Just about okay for another window built around that 1-2 punch. D White will be closer to 34-35. Probably too old for the next window. Porzingis too injury prone. So you would probably trade D White for additional assets as well. That gives you those extra Spurs picks + whatever you get for D White = to build around your future 1-2 punch of Tatum + Dylan Harper.

[Goldstar88]

I wouldn?t. Vassell, who will be 25 in a few months is nowhere near the player JB is. The #2 pick could flop or take years to develop. That?s wasting Tatum?s prime.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I would consider it but ultimately no.

It is trading a proven current star (Jaylen) for a possible future star (Dylan Harper).

(1) We are better off with a current star than a prospect given the rest of the roster. I believe we are still in the title mix. That a core of D White, Tatum, Jaylen can continue to challenge for trophies for several years to come. Waiting for a prospect to develop takes away most if not all of that window.

(2) A proven star is a sure thing. A prospect is not. We should get more back in return in addition to Dylan Harper to justify parting with Jaylen Brown. I do not think Devin Vassell (or a short term addition of H Barnes) is enough to justify it.

(3) Stephon Castle was mentioned as an addition in another post. I do not think Jaylen Brown is worth 2 prospects as brilliant as Dylan Harper + Stephon Castle. That swings the other way with it being no longer worthwhile for San Antonio. That is a package you give up for an MVP like Giannis. Not an All-Star like Jaylen.

(4) I don't know what you could add to make it worthwhile. It is probably not pieces on that roster. More future draft picks. At least 2 picks. Then it is a fair trade.

I still don't know that I would do it because you still have the 1st problem I mentioned. The window not lining up and whether that is worthwhile. Let D Harper develop. Probably 3-4 years from now. Tatum is 30-31. Just about okay for another window built around that 1-2 punch. D White will be closer to 34-35. Probably too old for the next window. Porzingis too injury prone. So you would probably trade D White for additional assets as well. That gives you those extra Spurs picks + whatever you get for D White = to build around your future 1-2 punch of Tatum + Dylan Harper.

#2 - I agree with you generally. Vassell is a solid rotation player. Some people may think he still has upside to grow. I do think he's BS's type of player. But the dropoff from Brown to Vassell is pretty significant.

#3 Based on the history, I don't think this is correct. It's pretty normal practice to get two good prospects for an all-star in him prime with the accolades that Brown has. History would show that as a fair return for Brown. Now, the Spurs may not want to trade that for Brown, but it is a fair trade package.

#4 - Maybe we get our pick back and the Spurs send Atlanta's future firsts as well.

[Csfan1984]

Depends on the Tatum time line. and if you could move Harrison to third team. Not the worst trade. I would have to rely on the teams Idea of Harper.

[perks-a-beast]

In a heartbeat. Not sure why San Antonio would. JB doesnt fit their timeline and his salary is outrageous. They should just stay the course and build out the team around Wemby using their draft capital.

JB to Houston makes more sense. Especially if we can get VanVleet back and waive his contract, saving a ton of money. They also have some nice assets to pick from: Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard, 2027 BKN Swap, 2027 PHX 1st.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

In a heartbeat. Not sure why San Antonio would. JB doesnt fit their timeline and his salary is outrageous. They should just stay the course and build out the team around Wemby using their draft capital.

JB to Houston makes more sense. Especially if we can get VanVleet back and waive his contract, saving a ton of money. They also have some nice assets to pick from: Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard, 2027 BKN Swap, 2027 PHX 1st.

I'm not sure I agree that Brown doesn't fit San Antonio's timeline. They just traded for Fox who is going into his age 28 season. Brown is only a year older. Plus, you really don't know how many years you have with Wemby. He's effective enough where he is ready to help compete now.

Van Fleet's option is June 29th, unless they agree to push that back (doubtful). They'd have to make that trade before then. Both Whitmore and Sheppard are really unproven, unproductive prospects right now. Smith lost his starting role for part of last season and really hasn't shown much improvement in three years. I still like him, but he's kinda' on a Channing Frye trajectory right now. They do have some nice future picks, but they are at 10 in this year's draft.

If Brown were traded, I would want at least one proven prospect (and preferably two), with unproven prospects and good draft value back. That would be Thompson, Green, or Sengun.

[slamtheking]

wouldn't touch it.

Barnes would need go elsewhere and the #2 pick in addition to Vassel is well short of JB's value.  The timeline and uncertainty of a draft pick developing would require Castle instead of Vassel in the deal as well as other draft compensation coming back to the C's.

[Goldstar88]

In a heartbeat. Not sure why San Antonio would. JB doesnt fit their timeline and his salary is outrageous. They should just stay the course and build out the team around Wemby using their draft capital.

JB to Houston makes more sense. Especially if we can get VanVleet back and waive his contract, saving a ton of money. They also have some nice assets to pick from: Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard, 2027 BKN Swap, 2027 PHX 1st.

JB is 28. Spurs just traded for Fox who is turning 28 this year. Brown fits their timeline.

[Birdman]

Castle, Vassell & 2nd for Brown, yes?other than that, no

[perks-a-beast]

In a heartbeat. Not sure why San Antonio would. JB doesnt fit their timeline and his salary is outrageous. They should just stay the course and build out the team around Wemby using their draft capital.

JB to Houston makes more sense. Especially if we can get VanVleet back and waive his contract, saving a ton of money. They also have some nice assets to pick from: Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard, 2027 BKN Swap, 2027 PHX 1st.

JB is 28. Spurs just traded for Fox who is turning 28 this year. Brown fits their timeline.

Fair point. I thought Fox was 24 at most. In my mind, he hasnt been around long at all. Probably because he was hidden on awful SAC teams for years.

I still dont think the Spurs would give up this much for Brown. They would probably offer up Castle, Vassell, and MAYBE a future first round pick.

Also, just a side note: If Brad does make some sort of deal with San Antonio, it would be nice to get back control of our 2028 1st.

[tazzmaniac]

In a heartbeat. Not sure why San Antonio would. JB doesnt fit their timeline and his salary is outrageous. They should just stay the course and build out the team around Wemby using their draft capital.

JB to Houston makes more sense. Especially if we can get VanVleet back and waive his contract, saving a ton of money. They also have some nice assets to pick from: Smith, Whitmore, Sheppard, 2027 BKN Swap, 2027 PHX 1st.

You can't waive a contract.  You could buy it out and stretch the 44M over 3 years.  Carrying nearly 15M of dead money for 3 years just prolongs the problem.  That should be an absolutely last resort.  Much better options for reducing salary.