Your reasonable Celtics trade targets

[RodyTur10]

There's some discussion going on about who we're going to trade mainly due to tax repeat issues. Some cases perhaps where people want some players to be traded, but mainly it's more of like a matter of fact necessity. This makes up for mostly a negative point of view. So why don't we switch it around? It's unlikely that we can just dump 40-50 million in salary somewhere and not take players(s) back in trades.

So let's focus on players we actually want to obtain to play for the Celtics! In the "Stevens-GM-era" the big trades have been very logical. I don't think I was the only one who wanted the ultimate team player Derrick White when he was still on the Spurs? Everybody loved Holiday, so even when the cost was high we brought him in. And the pick-up of the Latvian unicorn for a ridiculous cheap price was a no-brainer.

What are guys you feel should fit and belong in the team and culture of the Celtics? Or what player is going under the radar and would be a good target? Of course I expect realistic names, so Jokic and Antetokounmpo are not, as we're not even allowed to make a trade for them.

I'll start with two names: Deni Avdija (Portland Trailblazers) and Goga Bitadze (Orlando Magic)

[JBcat]

Good topic.

I think Deni is a bit overrated and took advantage of being thrust into a high usage role in Portland. Goga on the other hand is interesting.

It may be difficult to pull off some of these trade ideas or if we do it may be painful so I was looking at free agents who could we possibly get for the minimum that would soften the blow. I?ll throw out some names.

Fultz and Ben Simmons, I know they are both probably cooked health wise but I?m a sucker for redemption stories. Maybe take a chance to see if there is anything left in them.

Brandon Boston had a nice little run last year and he already has the name that fits.

Throwing some other names out there Steven Adams, our own Torrey Craig, I?ve always been a little intrigued by Dominick Barlow, Jevon Carter, Javonte Green, Isiah Jackson, Christian Koloko if healthy, Paul Reed, Trenton Watford and Jae?Sean Tate.

[perks-a-beast]

I like Jordan Hawkins and Nick Smith Jr as buy low guys.

[Who]

I think Jaylen Brown is the only guy (outside of Tatum) who has enough trade value to get Deni Avdija out of Portland.

They ain't trading Deni for a 32yr old D White. Not for a rebuildin team. Nevermind a 35yr old Jrue Holiday. Or an injury prone Porzingis.

[tazzmaniac]

There's some discussion going on about who we're going to trade mainly due to tax repeat issues. Some cases perhaps where people want some players to be traded, but mainly it's more of like a matter of fact necessity. This makes up for mostly a negative point of view. So why don't we switch it around? It's unlikely that we can just dumb 40-50 million in salary somewhere and not take players(s) back in trades.

So let's focus on players we actually want to obtain to play for the Celtics! In the "Stevens-GM-era" the big trades have been very logical. I don't think I was the only one who wanted the ultimate team player Derrick White when he was still on the Spurs? Everybody loved Holiday, so even when the cost was high we brought him in. And the pick-up of the Latvian unicorn for a ridiculous cheap price was a no-brainer.

What are guys you feel should fit and belong in the team and culture of the Celtics? Or what player is going under the radar and would be a good target? Of course I expect realistic names, so Jokic and Antetokounmpo are not, as we're not even allowed to make a trade for them.

I'll start with two names: Deni Avdija (Portland Trailblazers) and Goga Bitadze (Orlando Magic)

What's the point unless you're going to actually propose realistic trades and that includes taking into account the financial situation. 

As for your two players, I don't think Portland or Orlando would be interested at all in Jrue or Porzingis.  Are you suggesting trading White in a deal for Avdija or Bitadze?

While my big trade proposal was driven by financials, I'd love to get Bane and Huff would be a good addition too. 

[tazzmaniac]

I think Jaylen Brown is the only guy (outside of Tatum) who has enough trade value to get Deni Avdija out of Portland.

They ain't trading Deni for a 32yr old D White. Not for a rebuildin team. Nevermind a 35yr old Jrue Holiday. Or an injury prone Porzingis.

White is about to turn 31 not 32.   I do agree with your point.  It would also overloaded them at guard.  Thought maybe White plus a 1st might get it done. 

[PAOBoston]

Good topic.

I think Deni is a bit overrated and took advantage of being thrust into a high usage role in Portland. Goga on the other hand is interesting.

It may be difficult to pull off some of these trade ideas or if we do it may be painful so I was looking at free agents who could we possibly get for the minimum that would soften the blow. I?ll throw out some names.

Fultz and Ben Simmons, I know they are both probably cooked health wise but I?m a sucker for redemption stories. Maybe take a chance to see if there is anything left in them.

Brandon Boston had a nice little run last year and he already has the name that fits.

Throwing some other names out there Steven Adams, our own Torrey Craig, I?ve always been a little intrigued by Dominick Barlow, Jevon Carter, Javonte Green, Isiah Jackson, Christian Koloko if healthy, Paul Reed, Trenton Watford and Jae?Sean Tate.

Simmons intrigues me on some level. You can argue that the biggest hole on the team was a swing type player this year who could guard bigger wings. Simmons for all his faults can still defend and can initiate offense. I guess I?m not really sure what his market will be like and what his ego can handle (or if he has any sort of drive left tbh).

[Phantom255x]

DeRozan. Gafford. Keon Ellis. Jaden Hardy

A Jrue trade to SAC or DAL accomplishes this

 

[RodyTur10]

There's some discussion going on about who we're going to trade mainly due to tax repeat issues. Some cases perhaps where people want some players to be traded, but mainly it's more of like a matter of fact necessity. This makes up for mostly a negative point of view. So why don't we switch it around? It's unlikely that we can just dumb 40-50 million in salary somewhere and not take players(s) back in trades.

So let's focus on players we actually want to obtain to play for the Celtics! In the "Stevens-GM-era" the big trades have been very logical. I don't think I was the only one who wanted the ultimate team player Derrick White when he was still on the Spurs? Everybody loved Holiday, so even when the cost was high we brought him in. And the pick-up of the Latvian unicorn for a ridiculous cheap price was a no-brainer.

What are guys you feel should fit and belong in the team and culture of the Celtics? Or what player is going under the radar and would be a good target? Of course I expect realistic names, so Jokic and Antetokounmpo are not, as we're not even allowed to make a trade for them.

I'll start with two names: Deni Avdija (Portland Trailblazers) and Goga Bitadze (Orlando Magic)

What's the point unless you're going to actually propose realistic trades and that includes taking into account the financial situation. 

As for your two players, I don't think Portland or Orlando would be interested at all in Jrue or Porzingis.  Are you suggesting trading White in a deal for Avdija or Bitadze?

While my big trade proposal was driven by financials, I'd love to get Bane and Huff would be a good addition too.

Well, of course you could make an actual trade proposal. However with potentially multi-way team trades and a tough market evaluation of our players I tried to simplify the issue. I mean the trades we made for Derrick White (for Richardson, Langford, '22 - 25th pick + '28 swap right) and Kristaps Porzingis (for Smart, Gallinari, Muscala plus advantageous pick trade) seem ridiculous especially in hindsight.

The name Bane is interesting and is also on my radar. The rest of the names that have been mentioned so far look a bit humble to me. We're talking about actual targets and not players we're just kind of okay with to take back in the hope they can carve out some role.

The guys we may trade (and I don't want that to become the topic of discussion here) like Brown, Holiday, Porzingis or White are all former All Stars, All NBA selections or have been on Team USA. They have some status and we have future picks to deal.

In reply to the reactions on Avdija and Bitadze, if it actually took White to get them I would immediately stop negotations. To me (even though I like them) they're not even close to White, so if the Trailblazers view Avidija as future franchise All Star then good luck to them.

Often Bitadze isn't even starting and they have Carter as their starting center, so I find it hard to imagine Orlando would hold on to him so firmly. Perhaps they have no interest in our players, but then maybe a three-way-team-trade could be an option.

Some "crazy" names from teams that may look for trades:

Zion Williamson (New Orleans), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento), Ja Morant (Memphis), Bam Adebayo (Miami), Jalen Green (Houston), (<= all of them would require Brown because we can't aggregate salaries), RJ Barrett (Toronto), John Collins (Utah), Cameron Johnson (Brooklyn), Daniel Gafford (Dallas), Mark Williams (Charlotte), Keegan Murray (Sacramento), Walker Kessler (Utah) and Keon Ellis (Sacramento).

[Who]

I like Ja'Sean Tate on a minimum contract as a replacement for Oshae Brissett. Tough defensive PF. Not much offensive game.

[Who]

In reply to the reactions on Avdija and Bitadze, if it actually took White to get them I would immediately stop negotations. To me (even though I like them) they're not even close to White, so if the Trailblazers view Avidija as future franchise All Star then good luck to them.

Often Bitadze isn't even starting and they have Carter as their starting center, so I find it hard to imagine Orlando would hold on to him so firmly. Perhaps they have no interest in our players, but then maybe a three-way-team-trade could be an option.

I don't think Bitadze would cost that much. A good bench player or a late 1st round. Hauser would get it done.

[Who]

Grayson Allen would be a good starting SG to replace Jrue if he is traded due to his salary.

G Allen did a very good job for Phoenix 2 years ago. He got lost in the shuffle a bit this season. Still played well but mintues were harder to come by. PHX were trying to insert the PGs (Tyus Jones, Monte Morris) into the rotation and they still had the SG crunch with Beal and D Booker. G Allen would be a great fit in our three point heavy offense. That is what he does best.

I don't know how we would get him. He is on $15-16 million per season. PHX are in an even worse cap situation than us. Probably a 3 team deal involving Jrue somehow.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I second Bitadze. Deandra Ayton on a contract year seems like a good bet. I think Lonzo Ball is gonna have a good next few years, and his contract is excellent.

[Who]

I also like Moses Moody or Terrence Mann as a starting SG to replace Jrue. They shouldn't be too expensive in terms trade capital.

Not sure what they would cost. Moody is probably a 1st rounder in the 15-20 range. I doubt they sell him off for one late first. 2 late firsts feels pricey. He could be part of a larger package in return for Jrue Holiday. Not sure how good that package would be. Especially if they decline to make Podz available for it.

T Mann. I wonder if they would trade him for Hauser & filler. A first round pick might do it. Hauser & a 1st together would surely do it. A bit pricey but doable. Another guy earning around $15-16mil. Tough to match salaries. I doubt Atlanta is that interested in Jrue given the Dejounte Murray experiment. I think they will stick with proper wings alongside Trae instead of a two guard alignment. Especially with all the money still on the books for Jrue moving forward. Doesn't fit their timeline either. Young team.

[Who]

I like the Naji Marshall mentions from the Jrue Holiday trade ideas to Dallas. Naji would be a good stand-in for Tatum while he is injured and a great 6th man backup forward SF/PF once Tatum returns.

Tari Eason would be worth giving up a 1st for. Not sure I would go much beyond that.

No other PFs to replace Tatum strike me. Most teams are locked into their starting PFs in big contracts. Aldama and Obi Toppin look too difficult to acquire.

Maybe try to steal Bobby Portis if Milwaukee trade Giannis and decide to sell off the rest of their roster.

Maybe Kelly Olynyk from New Orleans. See what Joe Dumars thinks about Olynyk's fit on that squad moving forward. Olynyk might be available cheap if they feel he is too old / team too far away from contention. Olynyk would give us that extra big man to replace Tatum. Porzingis, Horford and Olynyk with some minutes for a minimum contract 7 footer who plays defense.