Warriors want DWhite?lol

[Atzar]

I'd be open to trading White.  He'll be 32 next time we matter. 

I'd be looking for a ransom though.  Not a dump.  He's an excellent player just entering the back half of his prime and he's paid reasonably for what he contributes.  I don't think the Warriors have the assets I'd be looking for.  Kuminga looks like a Me player, and Moody and Podz are mediocre.  Not enough.

[Moranis]

White is a smaller guard that will be 31 when next season starts.  He has nice value, but he isn't getting a Bridges like haul.

That's only because nobody is getting a Bridges-like return. White is one of the healthiest players in the league and is signed on a good contract for four more years. As a high end role player (that sounds insulting, I don't mean it that way), there is literally nobody better in the league. I'm not sure what we would get, but his value would be surprisingly high if you canvassed the league. And, sure he is almost 31, but he has only been in the league for 8 years (and he barely played his rookie year), so he doesn't have a lot of mileage on his body.

Bridges was 28.  3 years is a lot in the NBA.  Obviously White is an excellent player and is worth his contract, but he isn't getting a haul given his age and his overall skill set (i.e. he isn't a #1 and probably not a #2, but a solid #3 offensive option). 

I'm of the belief, Boston should rebuild.  I think they should make wholesale changes as I don't see them contending at all in the future with roughly the same core.  Tatum may never be the same, Brown is becoming more injury prone and I'm not sure how much time he has left at a high level, the Zinger is obviously always hurt and he is getting old enough any season could be his last, and obviously Holiday and Horford are nearing the end (or may be at it).  Given the massive salary and Tatum's injury, the team should go full on rebuild.  I don't think they will, but they should.  I mean Boston was down 3-1 to the Knicks this year with a mostly healthy team.  They just aren't going to be good enough.  Trade what you can and rebuild.

I understand your post. However you don?t give players away. White is a quality nba player. You don?t trade him for .75 cents on the dollar. It?s bad business and bad basketball. I?m not saying you have to be Danny Ainge here but the trades I?ve seen I don?t like. If you?re doing a trade for 60 , 75 cents on the dollar it?s probably  for Holiday not White.

I think GS's 1st in 2028 is an incredibly valuable pick.  Podz is a great shooter and has solid all around skills and is just 22.  I think he could be a very nice piece for a long time (and certainly had a better 1st 2 years than White did).  Hield has a very reasonable contract and can provide nice depth.  The trade also gets Boston below the 2nd apron.  The tax savings alone is immense.  Also, I think that is what White will yield, i.e. a high value future 1st, a solid rookie contract player, and a veteran role player (for salary filler). 

That would be the first of many trades I'd make.  Brown, Zinger, Hauser and/or Pritchard, and Holiday, I'd trade them all. Team needs to tank next year and go into the summer of 26 with cap space, a high lottery pick, a bunch of young players and draft picks (from the various trades), and a returning Tatum.  That is when the team can near instantly get back into contention with a few signings or trades.  Holding mostly firm is just burning money on a team that isn't going to truly contend.

[Moranis]

In another thread I posted these moves as a possibility.  I've added the White trade from this thread.

Trade 1 with Houston
Brown for Sheppard, Brooks, Smith, Eason, 2025 1st (10), 2027 PHX 1st, 2028 HOU 1st

Trade 2 with Detroit
Porzingis for Stewart, Fontecchio, 2026 DET 1st (lotto protected)

Trade 3 with San Antonio
Holiday for Vassell

Trade 4 with Brooklyn
Hauser for 36 and future protected 2nd

Trade 5 with GS, Brooklyn
White for Hield, Podz, GS 28 1st

New roster for next year
PG - Sheppard, Pritchard
SG - Vassell, Podz, Fontecchio
SF - Brooks, Hield, Scheireman
PF - Smith, Eason
C - Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR + 36 (Stash or 2way)
Cut or dump Walsh

That team is not the worst team in the league, but a clear lottery team. 

Summer of 26 the guys under contract for 26-27 would be Sheppard, Vassell, Pritchard, Podz, Brooks, Hield, Stewart, Tatum, Scheireman, 10, 28, BOS 26 Lotto pick, Det 26 non-lotto pick.  So some cap room, though moving Vassell, Stewart, and/or Brooks at deadline next year for an expiring would free up a max or near max slot (or you can use them as the salary filler in a trade for a star). 

Boston needs to infuse the team with youth and high end draft picks because I truly believe the championship window is over.  It definitely closed with Tatum's injury, but if the Knicks series is any indication, it might have been over anyway. They need to do something differently than just run it back and take a gap year.  They aren't contending after a gap year, the team is too old too injury prone and frankly not good enough. 

[Goldstar88]

Welcome back, Moranis! One of the OGs. 

[celticinorlando]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

[celticinorlando]

In another thread I posted these moves as a possibility.  I've added the White trade from this thread.

Trade 1 with Houston
Brown for Sheppard, Brooks, Smith, Eason, 2025 1st (10), 2027 PHX 1st, 2028 HOU 1st

Trade 2 with Detroit
Porzingis for Stewart, Fontecchio, 2026 DET 1st (lotto protected)

Trade 3 with San Antonio
Holiday for Vassell

Trade 4 with Brooklyn
Hauser for 36 and future protected 2nd

Trade 5 with GS, Brooklyn
White for Hield, Podz, GS 28 1st

New roster for next year
PG - Sheppard, Pritchard
SG - Vassell, Podz, Fontecchio
SF - Brooks, Hield, Scheireman
PF - Smith, Eason
C - Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR + 36 (Stash or 2way)
Cut or dump Walsh

That team is not the worst team in the league, but a clear lottery team. 

Summer of 26 the guys under contract for 26-27 would be Sheppard, Vassell, Pritchard, Podz, Brooks, Hield, Stewart, Tatum, Scheireman, 10, 28, BOS 26 Lotto pick, Det 26 non-lotto pick.  So some cap room, though moving Vassell, Stewart, and/or Brooks at deadline next year for an expiring would free up a max or near max slot (or you can use them as the salary filler in a trade for a star). 

Boston needs to infuse the team with youth and high end draft picks because I truly believe the championship window is over.  It definitely closed with Tatum's injury, but if the Knicks series is any indication, it might have been over anyway. They need to do something differently than just run it back and take a gap year.  They aren't contending after a gap year, the team is too old too injury prone and frankly not good enough.

That team would not be worth watching and does a disservice to Tatum in 2026. No offense, but every trade you listed would be hot trash.

Championship window isn't closed.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

In another thread I posted these moves as a possibility.  I've added the White trade from this thread.

Trade 1 with Houston
Brown for Sheppard, Brooks, Smith, Eason, 2025 1st (10), 2027 PHX 1st, 2028 HOU 1st

Trade 2 with Detroit
Porzingis for Stewart, Fontecchio, 2026 DET 1st (lotto protected)

Trade 3 with San Antonio
Holiday for Vassell

Trade 4 with Brooklyn
Hauser for 36 and future protected 2nd

Trade 5 with GS, Brooklyn
White for Hield, Podz, GS 28 1st

New roster for next year
PG - Sheppard, Pritchard
SG - Vassell, Podz, Fontecchio
SF - Brooks, Hield, Scheireman
PF - Smith, Eason
C - Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR + 36 (Stash or 2way)
Cut or dump Walsh

That team is not the worst team in the league, but a clear lottery team. 

Summer of 26 the guys under contract for 26-27 would be Sheppard, Vassell, Pritchard, Podz, Brooks, Hield, Stewart, Tatum, Scheireman, 10, 28, BOS 26 Lotto pick, Det 26 non-lotto pick.  So some cap room, though moving Vassell, Stewart, and/or Brooks at deadline next year for an expiring would free up a max or near max slot (or you can use them as the salary filler in a trade for a star). 

Boston needs to infuse the team with youth and high end draft picks because I truly believe the championship window is over.  It definitely closed with Tatum's injury, but if the Knicks series is any indication, it might have been over anyway. They need to do something differently than just run it back and take a gap year.  They aren't contending after a gap year, the team is too old too injury prone and frankly not good enough.

That team would not be worth watching and does a disservice to Tatum in 2026. No offense, but every trade you listed would be hot trash.

Championship window isn't closed.

I have to agree. I don't mind the concept of overhauling the team, even though I don't think the championship window is closed.

But these trades do not get us closer to a championship. They move us further away, not only in the short-term, but in the long-term.

This trade only makes sense if you think Podz, Vassell, Smith, or Sheppard have some untapped all-star potential. I like 3 of the 4, but don't see any of them as being a second banana on a championship team.

[celticinorlando]

I think they try to move Hauser, Jrue and Kp.

Not sure what they can get for any of them but I trust Brad. He has been great.

[Moranis]

In another thread I posted these moves as a possibility.  I've added the White trade from this thread.

Trade 1 with Houston
Brown for Sheppard, Brooks, Smith, Eason, 2025 1st (10), 2027 PHX 1st, 2028 HOU 1st

Trade 2 with Detroit
Porzingis for Stewart, Fontecchio, 2026 DET 1st (lotto protected)

Trade 3 with San Antonio
Holiday for Vassell

Trade 4 with Brooklyn
Hauser for 36 and future protected 2nd

Trade 5 with GS, Brooklyn
White for Hield, Podz, GS 28 1st

New roster for next year
PG - Sheppard, Pritchard
SG - Vassell, Podz, Fontecchio
SF - Brooks, Hield, Scheireman
PF - Smith, Eason
C - Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR + 36 (Stash or 2way)
Cut or dump Walsh

That team is not the worst team in the league, but a clear lottery team. 

Summer of 26 the guys under contract for 26-27 would be Sheppard, Vassell, Pritchard, Podz, Brooks, Hield, Stewart, Tatum, Scheireman, 10, 28, BOS 26 Lotto pick, Det 26 non-lotto pick.  So some cap room, though moving Vassell, Stewart, and/or Brooks at deadline next year for an expiring would free up a max or near max slot (or you can use them as the salary filler in a trade for a star). 

Boston needs to infuse the team with youth and high end draft picks because I truly believe the championship window is over.  It definitely closed with Tatum's injury, but if the Knicks series is any indication, it might have been over anyway. They need to do something differently than just run it back and take a gap year.  They aren't contending after a gap year, the team is too old too injury prone and frankly not good enough.

That team would not be worth watching and does a disservice to Tatum in 2026. No offense, but every trade you listed would be hot trash.

Championship window isn't closed.

I have to agree. I don't mind the concept of overhauling the team, even though I don't think the championship window is closed.

But these trades do not get us closer to a championship. They move us further away, not only in the short-term, but in the long-term.

This trade only makes sense if you think Podz, Vassell, Smith, or Sheppard have some untapped all-star potential. I like 3 of the 4, but don't see any of them as being a second banana on a championship team.

the trades also give you 10 in this draft, boston's 26 lotto pick, and several other 1st round picks.  The team also gets under the actual salary cap.  The flexibility is there to make moves. That is the point of the trades i.e. get a handful of lottery picks, cap space, and future picks.

That sets the team up to compete again in 27 or 28 season, because remember even if Tatum eventually gets back to what he was i.e. borderline top 5 player, it won't be next year and probably won't be until the end of 27 or 28.  1 year back to playing, 2 years back to normal is pretty typical for that injury and normal is often not peak. Every meaningful player, other than Tatum would be in their 30's then and most of them are already injury prone. 

This core had an excellent run, but it is over. 

[Who]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

Just generally here ....

In terms of getting below the 2nd Apron and cutting luxury tax payments, all of these trade ideas will make Boston worse. We will be dumping a superior player (Jrue, Porzingis, D White, Hauser) for an inferior player.

These are not trades that make the team better. They are not trades that allow the team to stay on the same level. They are trades that will make the team worse. All of them.

If the team cuts salary to get below the 2nd Apron, that is what will happen. The only way the team stays whole is if the team refuses to cut salary and agrees to stay above the 2nd Apron and pay the huge luxury tax bill as a result.

[celticinorlando]

In another thread I posted these moves as a possibility.  I've added the White trade from this thread.

Trade 1 with Houston
Brown for Sheppard, Brooks, Smith, Eason, 2025 1st (10), 2027 PHX 1st, 2028 HOU 1st

Trade 2 with Detroit
Porzingis for Stewart, Fontecchio, 2026 DET 1st (lotto protected)

Trade 3 with San Antonio
Holiday for Vassell

Trade 4 with Brooklyn
Hauser for 36 and future protected 2nd

Trade 5 with GS, Brooklyn
White for Hield, Podz, GS 28 1st

New roster for next year
PG - Sheppard, Pritchard
SG - Vassell, Podz, Fontecchio
SF - Brooks, Hield, Scheireman
PF - Smith, Eason
C - Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR + 36 (Stash or 2way)
Cut or dump Walsh

That team is not the worst team in the league, but a clear lottery team. 

Summer of 26 the guys under contract for 26-27 would be Sheppard, Vassell, Pritchard, Podz, Brooks, Hield, Stewart, Tatum, Scheireman, 10, 28, BOS 26 Lotto pick, Det 26 non-lotto pick.  So some cap room, though moving Vassell, Stewart, and/or Brooks at deadline next year for an expiring would free up a max or near max slot (or you can use them as the salary filler in a trade for a star). 

Boston needs to infuse the team with youth and high end draft picks because I truly believe the championship window is over.  It definitely closed with Tatum's injury, but if the Knicks series is any indication, it might have been over anyway. They need to do something differently than just run it back and take a gap year.  They aren't contending after a gap year, the team is too old too injury prone and frankly not good enough.

That team would not be worth watching and does a disservice to Tatum in 2026. No offense, but every trade you listed would be hot trash.

Championship window isn't closed.

I have to agree. I don't mind the concept of overhauling the team, even though I don't think the championship window is closed.

But these trades do not get us closer to a championship. They move us further away, not only in the short-term, but in the long-term.

This trade only makes sense if you think Podz, Vassell, Smith, or Sheppard have some untapped all-star potential. I like 3 of the 4, but don't see any of them as being a second banana on a championship team.

the trades also give you 10 in this draft, boston's 26 lotto pick, and several other 1st round picks.  The team also gets under the actual salary cap.  The flexibility is there to make moves. That is the point of the trades i.e. get a handful of lottery picks, cap space, and future picks.

That sets the team up to compete again in 27 or 28 season, because remember even if Tatum eventually gets back to what he was i.e. borderline top 5 player, it won't be next year and probably won't be until the end of 27 or 28.  1 year back to playing, 2 years back to normal is pretty typical for that injury and normal is often not peak. Every meaningful player, other than Tatum would be in their 30's then and most of them are already injury prone. 

This core had an excellent run, but it is over.

I am glad you are not running the Celtics throwing in the towel like you are. In your world they probably should trade Tatum also huh? What is the point of just keeping him to surround him with guys that aren't nearly good enough.

How does all of this get them back in contention in 2027? If they build through the draft they are going to be way too young still. Are you saying they trade for establish players that aren't nearly as good as what they have?

We know free agents don't come to Boston. And going forward how many teams are going to be able to attract free agents that are true difference makers? Your scenerio would be just JT and the pips. Never amounting to anything.

I believe Brad is very good at his job. He will not be afraid to make moves. But I don't see them moving everyone out for junk just for JT to come back to a team that is awful.

[wdleehi]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

Just generally here ....

In terms of getting below the 2nd Apron and cutting luxury tax payments, all of these trade ideas will make Boston worse. We will be dumping a superior player (Jrue, Porzingis, D White, Hauser) for an inferior player.

These are not trades that make the team better. They are not trades that allow the team to stay on the same level. They are trades that will make the team worse. All of them.

If the team cuts salary to get below the 2nd Apron, that is what will happen. The only way the team stays whole is if the team refuses to cut salary and agrees to stay above the 2nd Apron and pay the huge luxury tax bill as a result.

Which is why there is a push to move on from the older and more injury prone players instead of White.

[celticinorlando]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

Just generally here ....

In terms of getting below the 2nd Apron and cutting luxury tax payments, all of these trade ideas will make Boston worse. We will be dumping a superior player (Jrue, Porzingis, D White, Hauser) for an inferior player.

These are not trades that make the team better. They are not trades that allow the team to stay on the same level. They are trades that will make the team worse. All of them.

If the team cuts salary to get below the 2nd Apron, that is what will happen. The only way the team stays whole is if the team refuses to cut salary and agrees to stay above the 2nd Apron and pay the huge luxury tax bill as a result.

Which is why there is a push to move on from the older and more injury prone players instead of White.

Exactly. Move Jrue. Move Kp. Al retires. Move Sam.

Keep PP. White. JB and JT. White is never hurt and plays hard every night. He is not "old" and needs to be moved on from.

[Who]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

Just generally here ....

In terms of getting below the 2nd Apron and cutting luxury tax payments, all of these trade ideas will make Boston worse. We will be dumping a superior player (Jrue, Porzingis, D White, Hauser) for an inferior player.

These are not trades that make the team better. They are not trades that allow the team to stay on the same level. They are trades that will make the team worse. All of them.

If the team cuts salary to get below the 2nd Apron, that is what will happen. The only way the team stays whole is if the team refuses to cut salary and agrees to stay above the 2nd Apron and pay the huge luxury tax bill as a result.

Which is why there is a push to move on from the older and more injury prone players instead of White.

Exactly. Move Jrue. Move Kp. Al retires. Move Sam.

Keep PP. White. JB and JT. White is never hurt and plays hard every night. He is not "old" and needs to be moved on from.

I agree. Jrue should be 1st choice to move. Porzingis 2nd choice.

If those options do not materialize though -- if the options on the table cannot generate large enough salary cuts to get below the 2nd Apron -- we may have to move D White. A 3rd choice option. Not a 1st choice or even 2nd choice option.

[celticinorlando]

I don't see how Podz helps this team let alone is worth White. He is average in every sense of the word.

No thank you to anything GS has. That 12 points a game and 5 rebounds a game is what an average bench player brings you. Not a starter.

Just generally here ....

In terms of getting below the 2nd Apron and cutting luxury tax payments, all of these trade ideas will make Boston worse. We will be dumping a superior player (Jrue, Porzingis, D White, Hauser) for an inferior player.

These are not trades that make the team better. They are not trades that allow the team to stay on the same level. They are trades that will make the team worse. All of them.

If the team cuts salary to get below the 2nd Apron, that is what will happen. The only way the team stays whole is if the team refuses to cut salary and agrees to stay above the 2nd Apron and pay the huge luxury tax bill as a result.

Which is why there is a push to move on from the older and more injury prone players instead of White.

Exactly. Move Jrue. Move Kp. Al retires. Move Sam.

Keep PP. White. JB and JT. White is never hurt and plays hard every night. He is not "old" and needs to be moved on from.

I agree. Jrue should be 1st choice to move. Porzingis 2nd choice.

If those options do not materialize though -- if the options on the table cannot generate large enough salary cuts to get below the 2nd Apron -- we may have to move D White. A 3rd choice option. Not a 1st choice or even 2nd choice option.

If that is the case I would shop Brown and see if you can get something good for him. He is not worth $54 million.