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JB for KD
« on: May 16, 2025, 10:11:43 PM »

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Not a big fan of Durant the person, but I?d move Brown for him at this point. Jaylen is too unpredictable. I would have thought that coming off a championship season and winning finals MVP, he?d be more confident than ever. Instead, we get a Jekyll and Hyde player who can?t string together back to back good games in the playoffs. The poor ball handling, all the turnovers, the missed free throws. He?s going to be 29 years old this year. I think this is just who JB is at this stage. He?s unreliable.

You don?t have those flaws with Durant. He?s composed, clutch and also has the championship pedigree. KD is 36, but is still playing at an extremely high level. This season he averaged 27pts, 6rebs, 4ast on 53/43/84 shooting splits. He likely has 2-3 more good years in him. That?s enough time to get another banner.
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Re: JB for KD
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2025, 10:18:44 PM »

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KD isn't an alpha either, and I don't even think he's that good defensively anymore either. I don't really see the point honestly. Is Durant that much a better scorer than Jaylen right now? Like I know he's a better shooter but by how much is that margin?
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2025, 10:19:12 PM »

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I didn't want KD before, but I have absolutely zero desire to add him if we don't have Tatum next year.

JB is a #2 - he always has been and he always will be. It's not a referendum on his game, but he just isn't a complete enough or consistent enough player to be a #1 on a contender. He's also playing with an injury that is hampering him, so this is definitely not him at his best.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2025, 10:21:56 PM »

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KD is not up to being a regular number one option anymore, mostly due to his age.

At this point Brown has a fair bit more value as a full season two way star.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2025, 10:27:02 PM »

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I would love Stevens to test Nico Harrison, by offering the farm for Cooper Flagg.

Brown would fit in perfectly next to AD & Irving.

Flagg operates in the same areas as Davis and i doubt he is ready to play playoff level basketball from his rookie season. The whole point of Harrison trading Doncic was they wanted to win now. Davis has at best 3 years left playing at an elite level.
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Quote from: Phantom255x on May 16, 2025, 10:18:44 PM
KD isn't an alpha either, and I don't even think he's that good defensively anymore either. I don't really see the point honestly. Is Durant that much a better scorer than Jaylen right now? Like I know he's a better shooter but by how much is that margin?

Tatum?s dad told Spears that they expect JT to miss 8-9 months. KD would be the #2 option.  It?s not just scoring and defense. Biggest problem with JB is his poor decision making, which often leads to turnovers. He also misses pressure free throws. You can?t have those things with your 2nd best player.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2025, 10:46:21 PM »

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The anti-JB bias will probably be sky high after him not rescuing the team single-handedly...
(which is insane to expect when he has a bum knee, KP is a shell of himself, Jrue is still getting over the hamstring, and no one but JB could hit the broad side of a barn tonight) 

but NO, JB is better than KD at this point.   
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Quote from: Goldstar88 on May 16, 2025, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: Phantom255x on May 16, 2025, 10:18:44 PM
KD isn't an alpha either, and I don't even think he's that good defensively anymore either. I don't really see the point honestly. Is Durant that much a better scorer than Jaylen right now? Like I know he's a better shooter but by how much is that margin?

Tatum?s dad told Spears that they expect JT to miss 8-9 months. KD would be the #2 option.  It?s not just scoring and defense. Biggest problem with JB is his poor decision making, which often leads to turnovers. He also misses pressure free throws. You can?t have those things with your 2nd best player.

I mean idk but Durant couldn't do much for the Suns in recent years and that was also with him deferring to Booker on that team for stretches. Durant's much better with FTs but he's not really someone who is a playmaker nor has to make many decisions on the court.

I'd rather keep Jaylen. I'd only consider him for a miracle Flagg trade or maybe I can be talked into Giannis if that's possible.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2025, 10:52:28 PM »

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Is this a serious question??
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2025, 11:00:38 PM »

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Quote from: Goldstar88 on May 16, 2025, 10:11:43 PM
Not a big fan of Durant the person, but I?d move Brown for him at this point. Jaylen is too unpredictable. I would have thought that coming off a championship season and winning finals MVP, he?d be more confident than ever. Instead, we get a Jekyll and Hyde player who can?t string together back to back good games in the playoffs. The poor ball handling, all the turnovers, the missed free throws. He?s going to be 29 years old this year. I think this is just who JB is at this stage. He?s unreliable.

You don?t have those flaws with Durant. He?s composed, clutch and also has the championship pedigree. KD is 36, but is still playing at an extremely high level. This season he averaged 27pts, 6rebs, 4ast on 53/43/84 shooting splits. He likely has 2-3 more good years in him. That?s enough time to get another banner.

Remind me, how did Durant do in the playoffs last time he faced us?

Also, why would we trade for a 37 year-old?
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2025, 11:13:40 PM »

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If you want to give JB a slight edge defensively (not that he was anything special in the playoffs this year) that?s fine.

KD gets the edge in scoring by a wide margin. FT/shooting by a wide margin. KD is better at passing, rebounding and most importantly, his decision making/BBIQ is better by a wide margin. He?s an all time great player for a reason. Brown is not.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2025, 11:27:06 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on May 16, 2025, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Goldstar88 on May 16, 2025, 10:11:43 PM
Not a big fan of Durant the person, but I?d move Brown for him at this point. Jaylen is too unpredictable. I would have thought that coming off a championship season and winning finals MVP, he?d be more confident than ever. Instead, we get a Jekyll and Hyde player who can?t string together back to back good games in the playoffs. The poor ball handling, all the turnovers, the missed free throws. He?s going to be 29 years old this year. I think this is just who JB is at this stage. He?s unreliable.

You don?t have those flaws with Durant. He?s composed, clutch and also has the championship pedigree. KD is 36, but is still playing at an extremely high level. This season he averaged 27pts, 6rebs, 4ast on 53/43/84 shooting splits. He likely has 2-3 more good years in him. That?s enough time to get another banner.

Remind me, how did Durant do in the playoffs last time he faced us?

Also, why would we trade for a 37 year-old?

I worry Durant is too old.

Too old to give up Jaylen for. Jaylen, Tatum and D White give the team a trio to build a new contender around after Jrue, Horford and perhaps Porzingis leave. Durant does not offer that. He offers a shrunken smaller window to compete.
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Quote from: Goldstar88 on May 16, 2025, 11:13:40 PM
If you want to give JB a slight edge defensively (not that he was anything special in the playoffs this year) that?s fine.

KD gets the edge in scoring by a wide margin. FT/shooting by a wide margin. KD is better at passing, rebounding and most importantly his decision making/BBIQ is better by a wide margin. He?s an all time great player for a reason. Brown is not.

KD will be 37 in September, and 38 before JT gets back on the court.  How much does KD have left in the tank at 38?  How much does anyone who is 38 (and isn't Lebron)?  You really want to trade our 2nd best player for a guy that is 8 years older?  I don't think we are doing that.

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Quote from: blink on May 16, 2025, 11:54:51 PM
Quote from: Goldstar88 on May 16, 2025, 11:13:40 PM
If you want to give JB a slight edge defensively (not that he was anything special in the playoffs this year) that?s fine.

KD gets the edge in scoring by a wide margin. FT/shooting by a wide margin. KD is better at passing, rebounding and most importantly his decision making/BBIQ is better by a wide margin. He?s an all time great player for a reason. Brown is not.

KD will be 37 in September, and 38 before JT gets back on the court.  How much does KD have left in the tank at 38?  How much does anyone who is 38 (and isn't Lebron)?  You really want to trade our 2nd best player for a guy that is 8 years older?  I don't think we are doing that.

Jayson Tatum's father, Justin Tatum, believes his son could return to the court within eight to nine months after suffering a ruptured right Achilles tendon. This would put Tatum on track to potentially return around mid-January.


Also, regarding KD being 36, players are able to perform at a high level later into their careers now. Prime examples being Brady, LeBron, Djokovic. Steph Curry is another one.

I?d take 2-3 years of KD over 4 years of JB.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2025, 12:24:17 AM »

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 Browns averages for the Knicks series:

21pts, 7rebs, 5ast, 4TO, with shooting splits of 40/29/68.

KD doesn?t have playoff performances like that.
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