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Re: Need to blow it up
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2025, 08:36:00 PM »

Offline Moranis

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This was a long post so I will break it up into 2 parts.

Part One - the trades
Part Two - the new look roster

This is part two

New roster
PG - [Derrick] White, Sheppard
SG - [Devin] Vassell, Pritchard, Fontecchio
SF - [Dillon] Brooks, Walsh, Scheireman
PF - [Jabari] Smith, Eason
C - [Isaiah] Stewart, Tillman
10 + 28 + Tatum on IR

Obviously some of the trade filler like Fontecchio can be moved, but I didn't work out all of that.

Also, these trades are all contingent on really liking Sheppard and the potential options at 10. You dont do this if the team doesn't like Sheppard a lot.

Team uses next year to feed Sheppard minutes and tank without Tatum and then has cap space the summer of 2026 to build around Tatum, Sheppard, 10, and Boston's 26 lotto pick with plenty of future 1st to trade to supplement core.

I think you trade Pritchard as well and clear the deck for Sheppard to get the backup guard minutes. Scheierman can backup SG. I keep Hauser to be the backup SF. Or play Fontecchio. I keep Kornet over Tillman.

If the team stays united during the season, they could win close to 40 games.

* You have average starters at PG, SG, SF, and PF. A below average starter at center. Stewart is a good backup big but a liability as a starter.
* Sheppard is a wild card. Tari Eason is a high level backup PF. If Hauser stays, an above average backup SF. Scheierman should be adequate. Kornet adequate. Bench should be okay.

It is not that much worse than our current team. It has better balance. Jabari Smith and Tari Eason help a lot. Two guys with size who can defend and rebound. Who can help our centers who are not high level defender / rebounders. You lose the go-to scorer in Jaylen. You will be more inconsistent offensively. I think the upgrade in defense & rebounding compensates and counteracts that.

So if the team is not much worse in the immediate sense, the two questions that come to mind are:

(1) Is it better, similar, or worse once Tatum returns than what our current group would be?

(2) Is it better, and if better, how much better positioned for the future than our current team?

Question 1: I think it is worse. I prefer our current roster with Tatum on it than this new look team. I think Tatum's return creates some redundancy with Jabari Smith Jr and Tari Eason. That we would be better off with Jaylen Brown as a 2nd scorer.

Question 2: Depends on Reed Sheppard.

I see Jabari more as an average to slightly above average starter [long term]. I am not sure he grows beyond that. Vassell is a better long term asset than Jrue. So I like that. I Stewart, T Eason - nothing to write home about.

Reed Sheppard is the only guy there that may have some star potential to replace Jaylen. I am not bullish enough on Sheppard after his struggles this season to make that bet. So I'd rather stay home with Jaylen.

I am not sure the #10 pick offers much value. I like the top 5-6 picks in this draft. Then I get iffy.

It seems more like a collection of average young players than high quality youth that can be part of your core moving forward. That can be top 3 players on a title winning side. Jabari could maybe be a 4th option. He is the safest option. Maybe Tari Eason can become that. Same with Devin Vassell. Reed Sheppard a wildcard with major question marks.

Jaylen Brown has already shown he can be the #2 on a title winning squad. It is like trading a dollar for four quarters.
I think that team is much worse next year than doing nothing.  A bunch of C level players is a team like the Nets, but that was the point of the trade. Clear salary and earn a lottery pick.  That team is well below the aprons and then clears a ton of salary for the 2026 summer when Tatum will come back to a team with 3 recent lottery picks (Sheppard, 10, and BOS 26), cap space, and a whole bunch of extra draft picks to trade.  You make that trade to get out of the tax completely and build assets. You use 26-27 for Tatum to get back into form and really figure out if any of the lottery picks are build around players and then you really get to work in summer of 27. So 2 years of varying form of rebuild and hopefully contention the last 2 years of Tatum's contract.
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

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Re: Need to blow it up
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2025, 09:54:29 PM »

Offline droopdog7

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Yeah, blowing it up would be crazy.  This team is a bottom half playoff team at best.  No need to hang on to valuable assets because this era is OVER.

Re: Need to blow it up
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2025, 11:04:14 PM »

Offline Boston Garden Leprechaun

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Yeah, blowing it up would be crazy.  This team is a bottom half playoff team at best.  No need to hang on to valuable assets because this era is OVER.

ERA is over? THEN BLOW IT UP!
LET'S GO CELTICS!

Re: Need to blow it up
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2025, 11:29:27 PM »

Offline Banner18now!

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Certainly need to see what they can get for Holliday, he?s fading fast and too expensive. With Tatum out next year there is no lint in having him for next year. Hopefully Porzingis can play decent for a few months and then be a good trade commodity come trade deadline. Shed some of the big salaries like those two who won?t be counted on in 2027 anyway.
Certainly see what you can get for Brown but if you can?t get good value back then keep him.

Re: Need to blow it up
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2025, 11:38:56 PM »

Offline Boston Garden Leprechaun

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im dumping most for assets and lining up one last run when JT comes back.

need a joker or giannis type next to Jt for the last run.

i expect all to be gone except maybe PP or dee white.
LET'S GO CELTICS!