Tatum Injury (Ruptured Achilles - Surgery Completed )

[Kernewek]

Hard not to consider the implications of this. We got one championship, but we thought we had this year and next year to contend for a second. That's all gone now.

Can't imagine Horford comes back to a team that can't really compete for a championship next year. We definitely can't stay in the 2nd apron now, which likely means Jrue needs to be traded. While Zinger at his best can definitely help us win games without Tatum, he's proving to be unreliable and we only have him signed through next season. That means it may make sense to trade him too.

Next year becomes a developmental year for Brown and White's playmaking, while trying to develop Queta and a couple wings to be rotation guys, plus whatever we can get for Zinger and Jrue.

Get better soon Tatum. Your fans love you, and this is a major bummer for everyone.

one more time. listen closely

we shoulda been in FINALS in 2018. we blew it

we easily coulda won a title in 2022. go see why we did not
with IME we make finals again and have great shot to repeat or win.
win again in 2024 with IME
make finals again this year with IME. great shot to win again.

we have NO COACH. we are a rudderless ship.

I'm not convinced Ime could have won us a chip even if he wasn't a sexual harraser. Every team he's coached has had an absolutely terrible half court offense, and then struggled when the pace slows down in the playoffs. I'll take the 2024 ring with Mazulla any day over hypothetical Ime seasons.

as if IME couldnt have ridden talent like joe  idiot blow in 2024.  ime is nowhere near as bad as joe. HEY JUST JACK UP THREES GUYS! I think you ,miss the whole point old boy

2023 was the real missed opportunity along with this season. This year they looked pretty entitled and really didn't think they needed to play hard to win. This is pretty much the same team as was in the regular season attitude wise.

And this playoffs looks a lot like the 2023 playoffs.

yup. coulda been a 3 or 4 peat. learn from 2022 and win 3 straight. 4 straight finals appearances. very doable.

I do love the optimism but to win even just back to back you have to have a generational talent on the team.  Tatum is great but he is not in the same class as a Lebron, Curry or Durant in their primes as much as we would love to think so.  Nevermind the rest of the talent those teams had around those players Bosh, Wade, Thompson, Green, etc.

Since 2019 no defending title team has made it past the 2nd round.  It just is not easy to win back to back.  Joe is not a great coach but to think with Ime we would have rattled off 3 straight simplifies it and really undersells how difficult it is to win a title.  In the end talent is what matters most and ours is a bit banged up from playing so many games the last few years and Tatum is not at the same level as a Jokic or Giannis but even they got bounced in the 2nd round after winning the year before. 

Again I love the optimism I just think you are making it sound too easy to win a title nevermind back to back when that is just not the reality.

Even a generational talent doesn't guarantee anything - the Tim Duncan Spurs won 5 championships, but never repeated.

Of course, he never had Ime as a head coach, just some scrub named Gregg Popovich 

[Banner18now!]

Hard not to consider the implications of this. We got one championship, but we thought we had this year and next year to contend for a second. That's all gone now.

Can't imagine Horford comes back to a team that can't really compete for a championship next year. We definitely can't stay in the 2nd apron now, which likely means Jrue needs to be traded. While Zinger at his best can definitely help us win games without Tatum, he's proving to be unreliable and we only have him signed through next season. That means it may make sense to trade him too.

Next year becomes a developmental year for Brown and White's playmaking, while trying to develop Queta and a couple wings to be rotation guys, plus whatever we can get for Zinger and Jrue.

Get better soon Tatum. Your fans love you, and this is a major bummer for everyone.

one more time. listen closely

we shoulda been in FINALS in 2018. we blew it

we easily coulda won a title in 2022. go see why we did not
with IME we make finals again and have great shot to repeat or win.
win again in 2024 with IME
make finals again this year with IME. great shot to win again.

we have NO COACH. we are a rudderless ship.

I'm not convinced Ime could have won us a chip even if he wasn't a sexual harraser. Every team he's coached has had an absolutely terrible half court offense, and then struggled when the pace slows down in the playoffs. I'll take the 2024 ring with Mazulla any day over hypothetical Ime seasons.

as if IME couldnt have ridden talent like joe  idiot blow in 2024.  ime is nowhere near as bad as joe. HEY JUST JACK UP THREES GUYS! I think you ,miss the whole point old boy

2023 was the real missed opportunity along with this season. This year they looked pretty entitled and really didn't think they needed to play hard to win. This is pretty much the same team as was in the regular season attitude wise.

And this playoffs looks a lot like the 2023 playoffs.

yup. coulda been a 3 or 4 peat. learn from 2022 and win 3 straight. 4 straight finals appearances. very doable.

I do love the optimism but to win even just back to back you have to have a generational talent on the team.  Tatum is great but he is not in the same class as a Lebron, Curry or Durant in their primes as much as we would love to think so.  Nevermind the rest of the talent those teams had around those players Bosh, Wade, Thompson, Green, etc.

Since 2019 no defending title team has made it past the 2nd round.  It just is not easy to win back to back.  Joe is not a great coach but to think with Ime we would have rattled off 3 straight simplifies it and really undersells how difficult it is to win a title.  In the end talent is what matters most and ours is a bit banged up from playing so many games the last few years and Tatum is not at the same level as a Jokic or Giannis but even they got bounced in the 2nd round after winning the year before. 

Again I love the optimism I just think you are making it sound too easy to win a title nevermind back to back when that is just not the reality.

Even a generational talent doesn't guarantee anything - the Tim Duncan Spurs won 5 championships, but never repeated.

Of course, he never had Ime as a head coach, just some scrub named Gregg Popovich 

They did a good job of retooling around Duncan for that second run. Unfortunately it looks like the Celtics will only get one with this group. Brad is going to need to retool around Tatum over the next few years for another run. I believe in Brad as long as the new ownership doesn?t get in the way.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Hard not to consider the implications of this. We got one championship, but we thought we had this year and next year to contend for a second. That's all gone now.

Can't imagine Horford comes back to a team that can't really compete for a championship next year. We definitely can't stay in the 2nd apron now, which likely means Jrue needs to be traded. While Zinger at his best can definitely help us win games without Tatum, he's proving to be unreliable and we only have him signed through next season. That means it may make sense to trade him too.

Next year becomes a developmental year for Brown and White's playmaking, while trying to develop Queta and a couple wings to be rotation guys, plus whatever we can get for Zinger and Jrue.

Get better soon Tatum. Your fans love you, and this is a major bummer for everyone.

one more time. listen closely

we shoulda been in FINALS in 2018. we blew it

we easily coulda won a title in 2022. go see why we did not
with IME we make finals again and have great shot to repeat or win.
win again in 2024 with IME
make finals again this year with IME. great shot to win again.

we have NO COACH. we are a rudderless ship.

I'm not convinced Ime could have won us a chip even if he wasn't a sexual harraser. Every team he's coached has had an absolutely terrible half court offense, and then struggled when the pace slows down in the playoffs. I'll take the 2024 ring with Mazulla any day over hypothetical Ime seasons.

as if IME couldnt have ridden talent like joe  idiot blow in 2024.  ime is nowhere near as bad as joe. HEY JUST JACK UP THREES GUYS! I think you ,miss the whole point old boy

2023 was the real missed opportunity along with this season. This year they looked pretty entitled and really didn't think they needed to play hard to win. This is pretty much the same team as was in the regular season attitude wise.

And this playoffs looks a lot like the 2023 playoffs.

yup. coulda been a 3 or 4 peat. learn from 2022 and win 3 straight. 4 straight finals appearances. very doable.

I do love the optimism but to win even just back to back you have to have a generational talent on the team.  Tatum is great but he is not in the same class as a Lebron, Curry or Durant in their primes as much as we would love to think so.  Nevermind the rest of the talent those teams had around those players Bosh, Wade, Thompson, Green, etc.

Since 2019 no defending title team has made it past the 2nd round.  It just is not easy to win back to back.  Joe is not a great coach but to think with Ime we would have rattled off 3 straight simplifies it and really undersells how difficult it is to win a title.  In the end talent is what matters most and ours is a bit banged up from playing so many games the last few years and Tatum is not at the same level as a Jokic or Giannis but even they got bounced in the 2nd round after winning the year before. 

Again I love the optimism I just think you are making it sound too easy to win a title nevermind back to back when that is just not the reality.

Even a generational talent doesn't guarantee anything - the Tim Duncan Spurs won 5 championships, but never repeated.

Of course, he never had Ime as a head coach, just some scrub named Gregg Popovich 

They did a good job of retooling around Duncan for that second run. Unfortunately it looks like the Celtics will only get one with this group. Brad is going to need to retool around Tatum over the next few years for another run. I believe in Brad as long as the new ownership doesn?t get in the way.

brad added tons of good help on this current team. he needs to fire joe and go get a real coach for the next run. i want giannis side by side with tatum for the next and last run. brown and jrue and KP will be gone. hope we can keep D white and PP.

[michigan adam]

Another option no one is talking about is the order of trades.  If Brad were to trade jrue and kp to get under the second apron then he could trade brown and filler for giannis desired.  Giannis, white, pp, and the return for the other 2 trades would be a great base to add jt to in a year, assuming an Achilles. If less than I'm not sure I retool at all.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

Do we have any idea when the MRI results are expected?

[Donoghus]

Do we have any idea when the MRI results are expected?

This afternoon is what I read.

[Neurotic Guy]

The trajectory of tatums career will never be the same, this era of Celtics basketball will likely never be the same, he will never win an mvp and this will likely be the last year he?s a first team all nba player?.its over

Talk about jumping to conclusions...goodness.

I guess I need to preface this with if it is what it looks to be and we all are assuming it is then I stand by my comment, we?ve seen the best of tatum?which wasn?t even good enough to beat the Knicks in round 2 this season?unless some miracle happens it?s all downhill from here

Returning to pre-injury level of play after a (presumed) ruptured Achilles is not guaranteed, it is certainly possible.  To state definitively that he won?t is just pessimism and not based on anything factual.   You may be correct but that?s not because you know something the rest of us don?t.  Given a quality surgery and dedicated rehab, the odds are decent for a full (or near full) recovery.

Small silver lining could be Brad being more aggressive this off-season than he otherwise would have been.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Another option no one is talking about is the order of trades.  If Brad were to trade jrue and kp to get under the second apron then he could trade brown and filler for giannis desired.  Giannis, white, pp, and the return for the other 2 trades would be a great base to add jt to in a year, assuming an Achilles. If less than I'm not sure I retool at all.

heck yea

PP and D white are your guards.

tatum at small forward

giannis at power forward

get another servicable center

[BringToughnessBack]

I have a question. When the injury happened, he immediately grabbed his lower ankle area as seen in that picture all over the internet. Would that mean it is not ACL? I would think it could point towards shattered ankle perhaps. I am definitely not a doctor but from what I have read, you dont grab your ankle after an ACL injury.

[Who]

Google says Durant was out for 550 days with his achilles injury.

[Who]

Durant went from MVP candidtate to top 10 player in the league. His recovery from an achilles injury is he best I can think of.

If Tatum can return to being a top 10 player, Boston is still in the business of winning Championships.

[jambr380]

I have a question. When the injury happened, he immediately grabbed his lower ankle area as seen in that picture all over the internet. Would that mean it is not ACL? I would think it could point towards shattered ankle perhaps. I am definitely not a doctor but from what I have read, you dont grab your ankle after an ACL injury.

At this point, we all wish it was an ACL - which would be his knee and is considered less serious. An achilles is the worst possible scenario and that's the area he appeared to be grabbing

[Phantom255x]

Going about my day today

[Who]

A RealGM post

Post-Achilles Jayson Tatum will be washed like John Wall. He's a slasher, not a shooter like Kevin Durant

Post#1 ? by Drygon ? Today 6:57 am

First and foremost, I wish Tatum's recovery will be fine.

Having that said, I seriously doubt he may even be All-Star caliber player after his injury.

Many wishes Tatum to have a similar outcome like KD. But KD is almost near 7-footer who's among the most lethal mid-range shooters in NBA history.

Tatum, like John Wall, are completely different type of players as they constantly attack the rim to score in the paint. Every inch of athleticism is extremely valuable for their game as slasher, John Wall went from All-NBA caliber player to washed over night after his injury.

Is it expected Jayson Tatum will looked washed similar to John Wall? He's a slasher, not an shooter like KD.
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Interesting post. Overstates Tatum as a slasher vs shooter but the poster is right that Tatum is not a shooter in the caliber of Kevin Durant. That shooting touch was the main reason why people were more optimistic about Durant after his return than previous star players who have had achilles injuries.

Rather than John Wall as a comp. Kobe Bryant seems like a good comp in terms of style of play. Kobe was much older though. Wall is  a bad comp because he had no jump-shot. He was a below average scorer from everywhere outside of the painted area. That is not Tatum.

[Who]

Some others from RealGm

Tatum has an amazing offensive bag and relies way less on his athleticism than Wall and is way taller. He's also still young enough so that injury isn't a death knell like for Dame. I expect him to come back at Clippers/OKC Paul George level, which is still a fringe all-nba player.

Paul George could be a good comparison.

The fact that not many have returned from this injury the same is true, but that could be due to the factor that achilles rehab supposed to be brutal. It's literally painful, and you have to work on it like hours, supposedly every day. Elton Brand talked about this, and how he did not take it seriously enough, and that was the reason why the "springiness" was gone.

Interesting story about Elton Brand.

Wall had two devastating injuries in a row. Achilles was the second.

The key when determining how guys react to Achilles tear is if it?s their dominant or weak leg.

Wall, cousins, Kobe, Wes Matthews = dominant leg (if right handed, left leg to burst off of)

Dominique, KD, Tatum = non-dominant leg

Tatum is right handed and tore his right Achilles. His left leg is his dominant leg. For that reason I?m pretty sure he?ll be able to return to a high level. Compromised of course but still effective.

Interesting theory. Not sure if it is true or not.

Tatum:

5th in 3pa league-wide this season

51st in drive per game

But sure, he?s a ?slasher? and not a shooter