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Re: Jrue the odd man out?
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2025, 05:36:01 AM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there
Agreed.  I think Jrue is a lot more capable than playing on the Celts allows him to be.  He certainly not just a "defensive-minded veteran guard". 

Re: Jrue the odd man out?
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2025, 07:39:53 AM »

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Re: Jrue the odd man out?
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2025, 08:37:04 AM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there
Agreed.  I think Jrue is a lot more capable than playing on the Celts allows him to be.  He certainly not just a "defensive-minded veteran guard".

Would he get three years, $104 million on the open market?  (He's got his age 35 through 37 seasons to come.)

That's the question that will determine whether he has positive, neutral or negative value.



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Re: Jrue the odd man out?
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2025, 09:16:06 AM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there
Agreed.  I think Jrue is a lot more capable than playing on the Celts allows him to be.  He certainly not just a "defensive-minded veteran guard".

Would he get three years, $104 million on the open market?  (He's got his age 35 through 37 seasons to come.)

That's the question that will determine whether he has positive, neutral or negative value.
almost $35 million per year?  I would hope for the league's sake a player that age with declining shooting skills and health issues wouldn't command that kind of salary.   I think that even $60 mill for 3 years is crazy at that point in his career.

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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2025, 09:38:05 AM »

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Holiday has been an absolute joy to watch on the Celtics from Day 1.  He's one of those guys that you pinch yourself like how did he end up here? I just love watching him play. Especially contrasting with what we had with Smart.

I really hope they repeat just so we can get another year of Jrue on the Celtics. I just fear that if they don't win it all again this year that he'll get moved and I don't think that ownership will blow up a starting five with a chance of a three-peat.


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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2025, 09:57:13 AM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there

Why is $26 million needed to come back to C's in trading True out?

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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2025, 11:39:43 AM »

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Holiday has been an absolute joy to watch on the Celtics from Day 1.  He's one of those guys that you pinch yourself like how did he end up here? I just love watching him play. Especially contrasting with what we had with Smart.

I really hope they repeat just so we can get another year of Jrue on the Celtics. I just fear that if they don't win it all again this year that he'll get moved and I don't think that ownership will blow up a starting five with a chance of a three-peat.
would love going into next season with the goal of 3-peating.  would expect the team to stay intact in that situation -- tax and apron penalties be [dang]ed.  can't really justify breaking up a team performing at that level and taking the chance they fail because someone got cheap and/or screwed up the chemistry

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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2025, 01:09:03 PM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there

Why is $26 million needed to come back to C's in trading True out?

That assumes that the team trying to trade for Jrue is above the salary cap, but below the first apron I believe.  The receiving team could take back 125% of what it sends out.


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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2025, 02:43:39 PM »

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Holiday has been an absolute joy to watch on the Celtics from Day 1.  He's one of those guys that you pinch yourself like how did he end up here? I just love watching him play. Especially contrasting with what we had with Smart.

I really hope they repeat just so we can get another year of Jrue on the Celtics. I just fear that if they don't win it all again this year that he'll get moved and I don't think that ownership will blow up a starting five with a chance of a three-peat.

Good point. They would get crucified for that by fans and the media.
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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2025, 02:56:13 PM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there
Agreed.  I think Jrue is a lot more capable than playing on the Celts allows him to be.  He certainly not just a "defensive-minded veteran guard".

Would he get three years, $104 million on the open market?  (He's got his age 35 through 37 seasons to come.)

That's the question that will determine whether he has positive, neutral or negative value.

Tbh, Brad probably made a mistake in giving such a massive contract to Jrue. I think he just got caught up in all of the extension craze after winning a Title.

But very few teams have cap space, so the answer is definitely no. There are plenty of teams who would like to have him on their roster and could likely put together lesser contracts to get him. How Brad handles trading those contracts is what really matters. If he gets nothing for Jrue except those contracts and then is giving away 1sts in order to get off of those contracts, then that will be a disaster.

I'm glad he had one very good year/great playoff run. There's still time left, but I think most people are right to be disappointed with how this year has gone. His corner 3pt shooting basically cut in half from last season and his defense, while still very good, isn't quite as elite as it was. Hopefully he's just coasting a bit and will be ready to turn it on when it matters. We know he won't be a high scorer, but we need his defense and shooting efficiency to be top tier.

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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2025, 04:33:22 PM »

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How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue!  :blank:

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways...  :-\

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there

Why is $26 million needed to come back to C's in trading True out?

That assumes that the team trying to trade for Jrue is above the salary cap, but below the first apron I believe.  The receiving team could take back 125% of what it sends out.

Yeah I think this is why I could see us having to make some moves this offseason because it may be a two step/two year process.  Trade Jrue for a few smaller salaries, slowly trade those smaller salaries to take back even less salary to slowly get under the second apron.  I hope that is not the case, but I could see it. 

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« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2025, 06:39:57 PM »

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My thing is, if you are gonna keep the team IF you win the whole thing, why not just keep it if they make the Finals and still lose? If you're already gonna potentially plan to just keep the whole team, then just do it. Yeah if they lose before the ECF I might agree, it's not worth it. Beyond that, just go all-in.
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« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2025, 09:25:24 AM »

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Jrue showing last night why we shouldn't have to give up assets in order to trade him. We traded our two best 1sts, the 6moty, and our starting Center for him just two years ago. That was quite a haul. The guy has that it factor and is a perfect veteran presence for an up and coming team.

So not only do I believe that we won't have to give up anything to get rid of him, but I'd bet there will actually be competition for his services. Teams know that we aren't utilizing him to the best of his abilities, so I don't think his reduced stats will play much of a factor.

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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2025, 10:21:13 AM »

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Based on Spotrac's "Projected Practical Cap Space", there would be only 1 team in 2025-26 with enough cap space to absorb Holiday's contract, that would be BKN.  A parallel to this is that this would be the only team that could realistically offer any FA that much money.

There could be some emerging teams like DET or HOU or SAC that could see value in Holiday, but all these teams would need to send back contracts as Roy and others point out.  I don't see the possibility for a traditional salary dump type deal, at least not this off season. 

How about something with Washington, Holiday ($32.4M) for Smart and Bey (total $27.7M).  Smart expires after 2025-26 so that would go a long way to getting us below the 2nd apron from that point forward.  WAS would have a more tradeable asset in Holiday.

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« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2025, 10:45:22 AM »

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How about another possibility, DAL.  We get Clay Thompson ($16.7M, 2 years) and Daniel Gafford ($14.4M Exp) for Holiday ($32.4M).  They might even throw in a pick.  Holiday adds to create their big 3 with Davis and Irving.  All these guys are old so Holiday's age would not be an issue for them.  Gafford's expiring is the big savings.  We may also have to sell off Hauser, which I think we could do.
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