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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
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Honestly, they did much better than I expected this season.  Certainly didn't expect them to make the playoffs. 

If they lost to anyone besides the Yankees, I think this would be sitting with me much better.  But this is much more subdued than any other past failures against New York.  Hell, its just a wild card series at the end of the day.

Now pulling for that Mariners/Cubs World Series.


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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
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Tough loss. Bad body language. Guys looked rattled out there. Shlittler was great but he also left a ton of fastballs over the middle of the plate. Sox let him be too comfortable out there. Duran in particular has the infuriating habit of fouling off pitches that would be easy doubles if he'd stop trying to pull the ball.

Gotta shorten up that swing and take what the pitcher gives you. Get baserunners and make the pitcher labor.

Defense really let Early down. Offense too. Feel bad for the kid.

Sox with the worst defense in the league for the second year in a row...

But that's not true at all. I just checked a few sites and the Sox are ranked anywhere from 5th-best to 12th best in runs saved.

And Kristian Campbell, our pitchers, and 1B are responsible for a ton of negative runs apparently - meaning the rest of the team is very good, especially Rafaela, who would have had the best rating in baseball had he played in CF all year and not switched to 2nd to help the team.

All I did was look at number of team errors and team fielding percentage.  This year worst in the league for both and in '24 second to worst for both.  Oh well, wait till next year.
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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
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Honestly, they did much better than I expected this season.  Certainly didn't expect them to make the playoffs. 

If they lost to anyone besides the Yankees, I think this would be sitting with me much better.  But this is much more subdued than any other past failures against New York.  Hell, its just a wild card series at the end of the day.

Now pulling for that Mariners/Cubs World Series.

Yeah.  If you told me at the beginning of the season that we'd trade Devers for nothing and lose Anthony, Casas, Maher, Giolito, etc., I would have bet on a last place finish, not a playoff berth.

I don't think any of us should be too sad.  Let's hope that the team builds on this success and upgrades the roster.


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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #378 on: Today at 10:05:03 AM »

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Get a #2 SP, trade Duran, and for the love of god, ADD A BIG BAT IN THE MIDDLE.

And if the solution is "Casas is coming back", F that. Don't just rely solely on that. The lineup has a lot of potential still with Roman, Mayer and Campbell (LF) added. Still need an Alonso or Schwarber type big bat. The Sogard/Eaton/Romy/Hamilton types need to solely be depth and for pinch-running/defense, that's it. Not regular guys like they became for large stretches.

I like an OF group of Campbell/Rafaela/Abreu.

Bello had a good year, but to me he's probably best as a #3. The 4th and 5th spots can be filled with our depth and prospects (Early, Harrison, Kutter, Tolle, Dobbins, etc.) but add another horse behind Crochet and in front of Bello.

I agree with a #2, resign Giolito if he doesn't need TJ, he's now #3, Bello is #4, pick a five from Crawford, Dobbins, Early, Tolle, Harrison

I don't want to see Campbell in the OF, I want Anthony there.

C:  Narvaez
1B:  Open (Alonso?)
2B:  Campbell
SS: Story
3B:  Mayer
RF:  Abreu
CF:  Rafaela
LF:  Anthony

I have Bregman opting out and Duran being dealt.

Bregman will be an interesting call.  Bregman before the injury was a beast.  Bregman after the injury was something less than beastly, but still solid.  I see him staying in the mix, we'll see.  Based on the injury and being kind of just OK for half the season, his market value may remain low enough that maybe he just opts in and stays.  His contract now has a ton of deferred money, which I not a fan of, but he may not do better than $40M with player options moving forward.  Bregman may even be the solution at 1B.

Story can opt out also, but I am guessing he doesn't either.  He probably could beat 3 years at $25M if he decided to hit the market.
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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
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Get a #2 SP, trade Duran, and for the love of god, ADD A BIG BAT IN THE MIDDLE.

And if the solution is "Casas is coming back", F that. Don't just rely solely on that. The lineup has a lot of potential still with Roman, Mayer and Campbell (LF) added. Still need an Alonso or Schwarber type big bat. The Sogard/Eaton/Romy/Hamilton types need to solely be depth and for pinch-running/defense, that's it. Not regular guys like they became for large stretches.

I like an OF group of Campbell/Rafaela/Abreu.

Bello had a good year, but to me he's probably best as a #3. The 4th and 5th spots can be filled with our depth and prospects (Early, Harrison, Kutter, Tolle, Dobbins, etc.) but add another horse behind Crochet and in front of Bello.

I agree with a #2, resign Giolito if he doesn't need TJ, he's now #3, Bello is #4, pick a five from Crawford, Dobbins, Early, Tolle, Harrison

I don't want to see Campbell in the OF, I want Anthony there.

C:  Narvaez
1B:  Open (Alonso?)
2B:  Campbell
SS: Story
3B:  Mayer
RF:  Abreu
CF:  Rafaela
LF:  Anthony

I have Bregman opting out and Duran being dealt.

Bregman will be an interesting call.  Bregman before the injury was a beast.  Bregman after the injury was something less than beastly, but still solid.  I see him staying in the mix, we'll see.  Based on the injury and being kind of just OK for half the season, his market value may remain low enough that maybe he just opts in and stays.  His contract now has a ton of deferred money, which I not a fan of, but he may not do better than $40M with player options moving forward.  Bregman may even be the solution at 1B.

Story can opt out also, but I am guessing he doesn't either.  He probably could beat 3 years at $25M if he decided to hit the market.

Yeah, have to see what they each do. I think Story stays put, but I expect Bregman will still opt-out. That said, I loved Bregman but he did cool off in the 2nd half. Definitely not a 40M a year guy. Max I'd go is a reasonable 30M+ AAV deal if he opts out and wants to rework a deal, but no more than that. I'm not even sure he'd get that in the open market anyways, the Sox essentially got him with a 1/40M deal with 2nd + 3rd year options. Is anyone gonna offer him a 5-year deal this time? Idk

But if Bregman leaves they probably move Mayer to 3B. Regardless, getting another big bat like Alonso has to be a priority.
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Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
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Bregman's contract as it stands right now, if he does not opt out entirely, is 2 more seasons at $40M each, with a player option in the final year.  I suppose he could opt out and try to get 4 years at $30 or so each, but I am not sure that makes sense.  I think he only opts out if he thinks he can get 4 years at $40 million or more.  He can still play 2026 for $40M on his current contract and opt out for 2027 if he has a really good season.  And even if he does opt out now, BOS can resign him.

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Tough loss. Bad body language. Guys looked rattled out there. Shlittler was great but he also left a ton of fastballs over the middle of the plate. Sox let him be too comfortable out there. Duran in particular has the infuriating habit of fouling off pitches that would be easy doubles if he'd stop trying to pull the ball.

Gotta shorten up that swing and take what the pitcher gives you. Get baserunners and make the pitcher labor.

Defense really let Early down. Offense too. Feel bad for the kid.

Sox with the worst defense in the league for the second year in a row...

But that's not true at all. I just checked a few sites and the Sox are ranked anywhere from 5th-best to 12th best in runs saved.

And Kristian Campbell, our pitchers, and 1B are responsible for a ton of negative runs apparently - meaning the rest of the team is very good, especially Rafaela, who would have had the best rating in baseball had he played in CF all year and not switched to 2nd to help the team.

All I did was look at number of team errors and team fielding percentage.  This year worst in the league for both and in '24 second to worst for both.  Oh well, wait till next year.

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes. But they get to a lot of balls too. Great range. Hopefully we'll get a smoother performance across the board going forward. Outside of Crochet our young players gave us almost nothing. Which I sort of expected, but it still sucks.

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Game 2 was the definition of "missed opportunity," with Duran's drop and Eaton's failure to score being the most costly mistakes. No offense to Early, but having to start a rookie in a win-or-go-home game is pretty much a death knell (unless you're a decent pitcher such as Schlittler facing an anemic Red Sox offense), and of course, just to polish off the turd, the woeful Red Sox defense again made itself known. Oh, and the Sox continued to strike out like that was the point of the game.

I have to admit that this team far outperformed my expectations, more so once injuries are factored in, so I guess there's more raw talent on this roster than I thought (though I think they got a little lucky with Story being healthy all year and Chapman having a career season at an advanced age). But at the same time, the flaws?and there are many?were made painfully clear ALL YEAR LONG, and particularly in the playoffs: This team is bad at defense, bad at baserunning, and bad at situational hitting.

The biggest problem, though, remains what it has been for several years: cheap ownership. Some people might say that there's no downside to a team making the playoffs, but I disagree: Red Sox ownership will absolutely treat this playoff appearance as validation of its slower-than-molasses, develop-the-young-guys-and-save-money approach, and they'll continue to let this team improve at a snail's pace, and they'll continue to not spend much. Ownership is banking (pun intended) on Anthony, Mayer, Campbell, Rafaela, Tolle, Early, Dobbins, Crawford, and every other youngster becoming an all-star (or better), to be supplemented by scrap-heap finds and reclamation projects. There's nothing wrong with letting the kids play when it's their time, but this team has too many kids, and too many vets of the "oft-injured" and/or "just not very good" variety.

So, if anyone's holding their breath for an offseason splash, don't. Ownership and the front office are just gonna beat the drum of patience: "We'll have a lot of good players coming back from injury"; "We have a lot of young guys we think can help the team down the road"; "We've just gotta give it some time and it'll all work out."

I have no doubt that Anthony is going to be an amazing player. And I'm sure that at least a couple of the other young guys will become solid major-leaguers, if not all-stars. But if this is going to be a good team, a legitimate title threat, they can't keep leading the majors in errors, they can't keep running into outs (or failing to run home when they should), and they can't keep banking on reclamation projects and castoffs and has-beens. They're gonna have to spend some serious money at some point, because they're not gonna be able to fill all of their needs via their farm system, especially with the rotation.

Or maybe they won't spend serious money, ever. Wouldn't surprise me. They seem to be content with just being "competitive."
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Tough loss. Bad body language. Guys looked rattled out there. Shlittler was great but he also left a ton of fastballs over the middle of the plate. Sox let him be too comfortable out there. Duran in particular has the infuriating habit of fouling off pitches that would be easy doubles if he'd stop trying to pull the ball.

Gotta shorten up that swing and take what the pitcher gives you. Get baserunners and make the pitcher labor.

Defense really let Early down. Offense too. Feel bad for the kid.

Sox with the worst defense in the league for the second year in a row...

But that's not true at all. I just checked a few sites and the Sox are ranked anywhere from 5th-best to 12th best in runs saved.

And Kristian Campbell, our pitchers, and 1B are responsible for a ton of negative runs apparently - meaning the rest of the team is very good, especially Rafaela, who would have had the best rating in baseball had he played in CF all year and not switched to 2nd to help the team.

All I did was look at number of team errors and team fielding percentage.  This year worst in the league for both and in '24 second to worst for both.  Oh well, wait till next year.

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes. But they get to a lot of balls too. Great range. Hopefully we'll get a smoother performance across the board going forward. Outside of Crochet our young players gave us almost nothing. Which I sort of expected, but it still sucks.

Playoffs have a way of exposing teams' weaknesses.  The Yankees hid theirs a little better than the Red Sox so they're moving on.  Seems like this thing was over once the Sox coughed up Game 2 with all the chips pushed into the middle of the table.  I felt bad for Early.  He forced a lot of playable balls into the field in the decisive 4th last night and the D failed left and right (literally).

Regardless, a fun season with a lot to build on.  After the game last night it dawned on me that this was the first time in my life that I've not been crushed by losing to the Yankees to end the season.
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Tough loss. Bad body language. Guys looked rattled out there. Shlittler was great but he also left a ton of fastballs over the middle of the plate. Sox let him be too comfortable out there. Duran in particular has the infuriating habit of fouling off pitches that would be easy doubles if he'd stop trying to pull the ball.

Gotta shorten up that swing and take what the pitcher gives you. Get baserunners and make the pitcher labor.

Defense really let Early down. Offense too. Feel bad for the kid.

Sox with the worst defense in the league for the second year in a row...

But that's not true at all. I just checked a few sites and the Sox are ranked anywhere from 5th-best to 12th best in runs saved.

And Kristian Campbell, our pitchers, and 1B are responsible for a ton of negative runs apparently - meaning the rest of the team is very good, especially Rafaela, who would have had the best rating in baseball had he played in CF all year and not switched to 2nd to help the team.

All I did was look at number of team errors and team fielding percentage.  This year worst in the league for both and in '24 second to worst for both.  Oh well, wait till next year.

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes. But they get to a lot of balls too. Great range. Hopefully we'll get a smoother performance across the board going forward. Outside of Crochet our young players gave us almost nothing. Which I sort of expected, but it still sucks.

Playoffs have a way of exposing teams' weaknesses.  The Yankees hid theirs a little better than the Red Sox so they're moving on.  Seems like this thing was over once the Sox coughed up Game 2 with all the chips pushed into the middle of the table.  I felt bad for Early.  He forced a lot of playable balls into the field in the decisive 4th last night and the D failed left and right (literally).

Regardless, a fun season with a lot to build on.  After the game last night it dawned on me that this was the first time in my life that I've not been crushed by losing to the Yankees to end the season.

Pretty much. I'm also certain at this point that nothing (from a Yankees/Sox standpoint) will top '03 in terms of heartbreak.  Last night is nothing even in the same hemisphere as that.


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Tough loss. Bad body language. Guys looked rattled out there. Shlittler was great but he also left a ton of fastballs over the middle of the plate. Sox let him be too comfortable out there. Duran in particular has the infuriating habit of fouling off pitches that would be easy doubles if he'd stop trying to pull the ball.

Gotta shorten up that swing and take what the pitcher gives you. Get baserunners and make the pitcher labor.

Defense really let Early down. Offense too. Feel bad for the kid.

Sox with the worst defense in the league for the second year in a row...

But that's not true at all. I just checked a few sites and the Sox are ranked anywhere from 5th-best to 12th best in runs saved.

And Kristian Campbell, our pitchers, and 1B are responsible for a ton of negative runs apparently - meaning the rest of the team is very good, especially Rafaela, who would have had the best rating in baseball had he played in CF all year and not switched to 2nd to help the team.

All I did was look at number of team errors and team fielding percentage.  This year worst in the league for both and in '24 second to worst for both.  Oh well, wait till next year.

Yeah they make plenty of mistakes. But they get to a lot of balls too. Great range. Hopefully we'll get a smoother performance across the board going forward. Outside of Crochet our young players gave us almost nothing. Which I sort of expected, but it still sucks.

Playoffs have a way of exposing teams' weaknesses.  The Yankees hid theirs a little better than the Red Sox so they're moving on.  Seems like this thing was over once the Sox coughed up Game 2 with all the chips pushed into the middle of the table.  I felt bad for Early.  He forced a lot of playable balls into the field in the decisive 4th last night and the D failed left and right (literally).

Regardless, a fun season with a lot to build on.  After the game last night it dawned on me that this was the first time in my life that I've not been crushed by losing to the Yankees to end the season.

Pretty much. I'm also certain at this point that nothing (from a Yankees/Sox standpoint) will top '03 in terms of heartbreak.  Last night is nothing even in the same hemisphere as that.

I was in a mental spin after that one.  Like my brain couldn't actually process the turn of events. I loved that team so much.  More so than the 2004 team even.  They were the first Red Sox team ever that had no fear of the Yankees.  And yet the end result was still all too familiar. 
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