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Jaylen named one of the worst contracts
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Ben Simmons? Jordan Poole? Zion Williamson? Middleton (his most recent extension)?

Is this moron writer on drugs??
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JB's career could end tomorrow and I still wouldn't resent his contract.  He's a champion.

Brown and Paul George have similar contracts.  Who would you prefer?
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Ben Simmons? Jordan Poole? Zion Williamson? Middleton (his most recent extension)?

Is this moron writer on drugs??

I think the sheer size of JB's contract is why he's ahead of these guys.  But I agree with you, if you ask which of these contracts I would take, it's not even close.

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One of these things is not like the others.

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Bailey has Brown as holding the fourth-worst deal in the league, with only Kawhi Leonard of the Los Angeles Clippers, Jerami Grant of the Portland Trail Blazers and Bradley Beal of the Phoenix Suns as having worse contracts.


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?He is not now, nor has he ever been, close to being the sixth-best player in the NBA. At 28 years old, it?s not likely he?ll become a top-10 player before 2029, when his contract expires,? Bailey wrote. ?His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern.?

Nonsense, but I guess I clicked.

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?He is not now, nor has he ever been, close to being the sixth-best player in the NBA. At 28 years old, it?s not likely he?ll become a top-10 player before 2029, when his contract expires,? Bailey wrote. ?His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern.?

Nonsense, but I guess I clicked.

I just had a thought, maybe that writer is really Moranis.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2025, 02:19:44 PM »

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Huh? Is this based on some sort of advanced stat that Jaylen does badly on?

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2025, 02:23:49 PM »

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Bailey admits that his opinion that Brown has the fourth-worst contract in the Association may be "a little controversial" and it's "not even a suggestion that the Boston Celtics shouldn?t have given him the extension they did."

He adds, however, that his rankings are "strictly about value provided versus contract burden" and the California product?s deal has him as the sixth-highest-paid player during the 2024-25 campaign.

So they are saying because Jaylen is the 6th highest player he should be the 6th best player in the league. Or least somewhere in that vicinity in order to provide value for his contract.

That if he is only 10-15th, it is a bad deal.
Or 15-20th, a worse deal.

That only if Jaylen was a top 10 player would the deal be fair.

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Still, despite Brown being a "good, probably even great, NBA player," he'd need to be pushing the top-10 (like teammate Jayson Tatum) to justify his monster contract.

And then they are saying

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    "He is not now, nor has he ever been, close to being the sixth-best player in the NBA. At 28 years old, it?s not likely he?ll become a top-10 player before 2029, when his contract expires," Bailey wrote. "His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern."

That is a big statement.

Jaylen is not having a great year statistically and they seem to be basing a lot of this on statistics. You can see where they are coming from. It is wrong. But you can see how they got there.
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Bailey wrote. "His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern."

Where does Jaylen's performance rank this year?

Because I have been feeling that Jaylen does not deserve to be an All-Star this year. I would have him closer to All-Star level than that though. Somewhere in the 25-40 range.

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?He is not now, nor has he ever been, close to being the sixth-best player in the NBA. At 28 years old, it?s not likely he?ll become a top-10 player before 2029, when his contract expires,? Bailey wrote. ?His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern.?

Nonsense, but I guess I clicked.

I just had a thought, maybe that writer is really Moranis.

That just made me laugh out loud.


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?He is not now, nor has he ever been, close to being the sixth-best player in the NBA. At 28 years old, it?s not likely he?ll become a top-10 player before 2029, when his contract expires,? Bailey wrote. ?His 2024-25 production actually puts him in the top 50-60 range. His three-point percentage is well below average. And, as has been the case for years, his assist-to-turnover ratio is a very real concern.?

Nonsense, but I guess I clicked.

I just had a thought, maybe that writer is really Moranis.

That just made me laugh out loud.

Did the article mention "doesn't impact winning"? 


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The writer pretty much says that he's weighting their rank in the league to size of the contract compared to others. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's not how most of us would determine it.  Instead, I look at how much the size of the contract restricts the team from improving talent.  I don't think JB's contract does that at all.  If we signed him for less (or let him go) I seriously doubt we'd bring in better talent.

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Contracts for these guys is mosty just a matter of timing.  By the the end of his contract he'll be a relative bargain.  It will even out unless he drops off the table talent wise somehow.
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