Kings (18-19) at Celtics (27-10) Game #38 1/10/25

[scaryjerry]

Things just aren?t going their way this season. Don?t see them repeating unless they just ?flip a switch?. I don?t believe in that

[jpotter33]

If there is a slight bright side, the Knicks lost too so we keep our lead for the 2 seed.

their missing KAT. hes like their best player this year.

Nope, Kat is playing tonight.

[Phantom255x]

If there is a slight bright side, the Knicks lost too so we keep our lead for the 2 seed.

their missing KAT. hes like their best player this year.

No? He played tonight. Had 23/10

[keevsnick]

The C's have had quite a few games recently where they can't hit anything from three.

Since December 1st the C's have played 19 games, they've shot below 35% from three in 11 of those games. They are 4-7 in those 11 games.

Meanwhile they are 7-1 in the 8 games they shot better than 35%, the only loss being to Philadelphia when the Celtics lost despite shooting 40.8% from three. Although Phili shots 42.5% from three that game.

Its a make or miss league, and the C's have been missing recently.

[jpotter33]

What does Scal mean "it's not a lack of effort". Has he been watching this game???

I don't think it was really a lack of effort either. It was partly turnovers, and partly shot 27% from three, and partly that the Kings went 7-10 from three in the 4th quarter.

C?s give up any shot the Kings want in the 2nd half

Cs keep on taking lazy deep 3?s that have no shot at going in

Even the layups the Cs take are difficult shots

This team is mentally weak and losing to the pressure of repeating as title winners

The C's shot a grand total of 4 threes in the first 10 minutes of the fourth. Their problems tonight do not include taking too many threes.

I mean, but that's *exactly* the problem - their entire identity is around taking and making a high volume of threes, and when we can't do that, we don't know how to efficiently score, which also bleeds into our already lackluster defense this year. We only shot 41 tonight, 9 off of our regular average per game.

So, yeah, that's exactly the problem, and it's why the vast majority of teams have started employing the same exact defense against us - running us off the three point line, staying on shooters and giving up some twos, and the only exception is Tatum who they're really loading up on and bringing help against. We've simply not adjusted to this.

[Phantom255x]

The C's have had quite a few games recently where they can't hit anything from three.

It's weird. Like some of these 3s are wide open and guys like White are just bricking them badly.

[Phantom255x]

[keevsnick]

What does Scal mean "it's not a lack of effort". Has he been watching this game???

I don't think it was really a lack of effort either. It was partly turnovers, and partly shot 27% from three, and partly that the Kings went 7-10 from three in the 4th quarter.

C?s give up any shot the Kings want in the 2nd half

Cs keep on taking lazy deep 3?s that have no shot at going in

Even the layups the Cs take are difficult shots

This team is mentally weak and losing to the pressure of repeating as title winners

The C's shot a grand total of 4 threes in the first 10 minutes of the fourth. Their problems tonight do not include taking too many threes.

I mean, but that's *exactly* the problem - their entire identity is around taking and making a high volume of threes, and when we can't do that, we don't know how to efficiently score, which also bleeds into our already lackluster defense this year. We only shot 41 tonight, 9 off of our regular average per game.

So, yeah, that's exactly the problem, and it's why the vast majority of teams have started employing the same exact defense against us - running us off the three point line, staying on shooters and giving up some twos, and the only exception is Tatum who they're really loading up on and bringing help against. We've simply not adjusted to this.

Problem is that's not really backed up by the data. The C's average 49.8 threes per game. Since December first they've average 48.3 per game, so only a very small drop. Still the most in the league.

In Oct/Nov the C's shot 37.8 % from three. Last year they shot 38.8% from three on the year. Since December 1st they've shot just 35%. So the issue isn't so much "they are being run off the line" as it's just a 40 day team wide shooting slump.

In addition they gotten slightly unlucky with opponent shooting in that stretch. Before December first they allowed 34.4% on opponent threes. Since December first its been 36.6%.

In other words they went from a +3.8% from three to a -1.6% from three on net before and after December first. By comparison they were +3.6% team vs opponent three point percentage last year, +3.2% the year before that.

Thats probably mostly bad luck, although I know people hate hearing that.

[Surferdad]

What does Scal mean "it's not a lack of effort". Has he been watching this game???

I don't think it was really a lack of effort either. It was partly turnovers, and partly shot 27% from three, and partly that the Kings went 7-10 from three in the 4th quarter.

C?s give up any shot the Kings want in the 2nd half

Cs keep on taking lazy deep 3?s that have no shot at going in

Even the layups the Cs take are difficult shots

This team is mentally weak and losing to the pressure of repeating as title winners

The C's shot a grand total of 4 threes in the first 10 minutes of the fourth. Their problems tonight do not include taking too many threes.

I mean, but that's *exactly* the problem - their entire identity is around taking and making a high volume of threes, and when we can't do that, we don't know how to efficiently score, which also bleeds into our already lackluster defense this year. We only shot 41 tonight, 9 off of our regular average per game.

So, yeah, that's exactly the problem, and it's why the vast majority of teams have started employing the same exact defense against us - running us off the three point line, staying on shooters and giving up some twos, and the only exception is Tatum who they're really loading up on and bringing help against. We've simply not adjusted to this.

Problem is that's not really backed up by the data. The C's average 49.8 threes per game. Since December first they've average 48.3 per game, so only a very small drop. Still the most in the league.

In Oct/Nov the C's shot 37.8 % from three. Last year they shot 38.8% from three on the year. Since December 1st they've shot just 35%. So the issue isn't so much "they are being run off the line" as it's just a 40 day team wide shooting slump.

In addition they gotten slightly unlucky with opponent shooting in that stretch. Before December first they allowed 34.4% on opponent threes. Since December first its been 36.6%.

In other words they went from a +3.8% from three to a -1.6% from three on net before and after December first. By comparison they were +3.6% team vs opponent three point percentage last year, +3.2% the year before that.

Thats probably mostly bad luck, although I know people hate hearing that.

I do not believe for one minute that it is bad luck. Great teams find a way to win by adjusting. This team cannot adjust because the coach does not think they should adjust. I suppose one can argue that this team won a championship this way so no need to adjust. That is just stubborn, and ignores the fact that other teams have adjusted to THEM by taking away the 3, playing harder and playing smarter.

I am deeply disappointed in the team this year. I think a shake-up is needed.

[jpotter33]

What does Scal mean "it's not a lack of effort". Has he been watching this game???

I don't think it was really a lack of effort either. It was partly turnovers, and partly shot 27% from three, and partly that the Kings went 7-10 from three in the 4th quarter.

C?s give up any shot the Kings want in the 2nd half

Cs keep on taking lazy deep 3?s that have no shot at going in

Even the layups the Cs take are difficult shots

This team is mentally weak and losing to the pressure of repeating as title winners

The C's shot a grand total of 4 threes in the first 10 minutes of the fourth. Their problems tonight do not include taking too many threes.

I mean, but that's *exactly* the problem - their entire identity is around taking and making a high volume of threes, and when we can't do that, we don't know how to efficiently score, which also bleeds into our already lackluster defense this year. We only shot 41 tonight, 9 off of our regular average per game.

So, yeah, that's exactly the problem, and it's why the vast majority of teams have started employing the same exact defense against us - running us off the three point line, staying on shooters and giving up some twos, and the only exception is Tatum who they're really loading up on and bringing help against. We've simply not adjusted to this.

Problem is that's not really backed up by the data. The C's average 49.8 threes per game. Since December first they've average 48.3 per game, so only a very small drop. Still the most in the league.

In Oct/Nov the C's shot 37.8 % from three. Last year they shot 38.8% from three on the year. Since December 1st they've shot just 35%. So the issue isn't so much "they are being run off the line" as it's just a 40 day team wide shooting slump.

In addition they gotten slightly unlucky with opponent shooting in that stretch. Before December first they allowed 34.4% on opponent threes. Since December first its been 36.6%.

In other words they went from a +3.8% from three to a -1.6% from three on net before and after December first. By comparison they were +3.6% team vs opponent three point percentage last year, +3.2% the year before that.

Thats probably mostly bad luck, although I know people hate hearing that.

I mean, sure, but why go back that far when we were still playing well and the same way? If you go back to the start of the most recent slump (which I put at the Chicago loss 12 games ago), we?re at just over 46 attempts per game. And even just looking at the last five to six games where this strategy had become even more noticeable, we?re down to just 43.5 per game.

Now, KP coming back has some to do with that, but it?s very obvious what other teams? strategies are against us over the past chunk of games, which IS being reflected in the more recent stats.

[tenn_smoothie]

Another embarrassing effort by a team that looks like they have zero interest in playing.

I missed watching the game tonight. How much did the fans boo the team during that 4th quarter meltdown ?

[86MaxwellSmart]

Got punked at home once again....Tatum IS the Softest.

[ozgod]

Another embarrassing effort by a team that looks like they have zero interest in playing.

I missed watching the game tonight. How much did the fans boo the team during that 4th quarter meltdown ?

I hope they gave them a good spray?nothing says ?we don?t care? to the fans like letting a mediocre player get 20-25 and letting a team of also rans put 38 on them in the 4th 

Hopefully they can flush it and move on?this is the first game where I felt they clearly mailed it in on the 4th

[Birdman]

Celtics plays better on the road than home

[scaryjerry]

Celtics plays better on the road than home

They also have a better record without porzingis