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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2024, 10:39:56 AM »

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We knew the window was close middle of last season.

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2024, 10:56:00 AM »

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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2024, 11:48:55 AM »

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We knew the window was close middle of last season.

Nothing new here.

The writer didn?t.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2024/2/28/24085544/milwaukee-bucks-defense-giannis-antetokounmpo-doc-rivers

Yeah, I was going to say that I specifically remember both him and Verno picking the Bucks to come out of the East last year even later in the season before the playoffs.
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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2024, 11:54:31 AM »

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Tough situation for the Bucks.  Giannis is still good and likely will continue to be very good for maybe 5 years, maybe more.  But I don't think this current team/roster is going to get it together.  Even if Giannis and Lillard both play at their highest level, how far can you go with Middleton (durability), Lopez (age), Trent (not that good), Portis (decent bench guy) and so on.  So the decision is do you try to rebuild around Giannis?  Does that rebuild include Lillard (already 34)?  The level of rebuilding needed is going to take 2 maybe 3 years I think.  Does Giannis wait around for that?  Lillard will be 36-37 by then.

I think the inconvenient truth here is that they need to blow it up.  This current roster is not likely to contend for a title and nibbling around the edges of this current roster is not going to change that.  If it was me, I would try to rebuild around Giannis, but he may not sign up for that.

Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2024, 12:20:06 PM »

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Tough situation for the Bucks.  Giannis is still good and likely will continue to be very good for maybe 5 years, maybe more.  But I don't think this current team/roster is going to get it together.  Even if Giannis and Lillard both play at their highest level, how far can you go with Middleton (durability), Lopez (age), Trent (not that good), Portis (decent bench guy) and so on.  So the decision is do you try to rebuild around Giannis?  Does that rebuild include Lillard (already 34)?  The level of rebuilding needed is going to take 2 maybe 3 years I think.  Does Giannis wait around for that?  Lillard will be 36-37 by then.

I think the inconvenient truth here is that they need to blow it up.  This current roster is not likely to contend for a title and nibbling around the edges of this current roster is not going to change that.  If it was me, I would try to rebuild around Giannis, but he may not sign up for that.

The scary thing here is where Giannis ends up if he's traded.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2024, 12:50:53 PM »

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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2024, 03:25:39 PM »

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Tough situation for the Bucks.  Giannis is still good and likely will continue to be very good for maybe 5 years, maybe more.  But I don't think this current team/roster is going to get it together.  Even if Giannis and Lillard both play at their highest level, how far can you go with Middleton (durability), Lopez (age), Trent (not that good), Portis (decent bench guy) and so on.  So the decision is do you try to rebuild around Giannis?  Does that rebuild include Lillard (already 34)?  The level of rebuilding needed is going to take 2 maybe 3 years I think.  Does Giannis wait around for that?  Lillard will be 36-37 by then.

I think the inconvenient truth here is that they need to blow it up.  This current roster is not likely to contend for a title and nibbling around the edges of this current roster is not going to change that.  If it was me, I would try to rebuild around Giannis, but he may not sign up for that.

The scary thing here is where Giannis ends up if he's traded.

Golden State, Lakers, Heat, Mavs are some candidates


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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2024, 03:27:51 PM »

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Tough situation for the Bucks.  Giannis is still good and likely will continue to be very good for maybe 5 years, maybe more.  But I don't think this current team/roster is going to get it together.  Even if Giannis and Lillard both play at their highest level, how far can you go with Middleton (durability), Lopez (age), Trent (not that good), Portis (decent bench guy) and so on.  So the decision is do you try to rebuild around Giannis?  Does that rebuild include Lillard (already 34)?  The level of rebuilding needed is going to take 2 maybe 3 years I think.  Does Giannis wait around for that?  Lillard will be 36-37 by then.

I think the inconvenient truth here is that they need to blow it up.  This current roster is not likely to contend for a title and nibbling around the edges of this current roster is not going to change that.  If it was me, I would try to rebuild around Giannis, but he may not sign up for that.

The scary thing here is where Giannis ends up if he's traded.

Golden State, Lakers, Heat, Mavs are some candidates

I don't love the fit in OKC, but they could outbid anyone in a trade with their stash of picks. The talent level of that team would be absolutely ridiculous
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2024, 04:33:27 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2024, 05:05:15 PM »

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I'm going to be disappointed if a small market team doesn't step up here. Several have an abundance of picks and talent. And a lot of interesting possible combinations:

OKC: SGA/Holgrem/Giannis
UTA: Markkanen/Giannis
SAS: Wemby/Giannis

I don't know how well they'll all fit/play together, but those are some imposing front lines.

Cash in up to like half your picks for Giannis and then use a few more to fill out the rest of your roster.

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2024, 07:09:00 PM »

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OKC or San Antonio should go all-in on Giannis.

Hate to say but if OKC can land Giannis and keep SGA + Chet, they will be the favorites to win it all even over Boston. I currently have it Boston > OKC in 6 games as is in the Finals
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Re: KOC on the Bucks
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2024, 04:58:47 AM »

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I would NOT blow it up.

Milwaukee remind me of the Dallas Maverics circa 2008-10. It looked like their window had permanently closed to. Dirk was still doing his thing much like Giannis is now. However, the rest of their team was a slow aging bunch. Kidd was no longer the star he was. Dampier was slow. Josh Howard was starting to have severe injury problems. Caron Butler had not worked out.

Yet, they stuck with it. Made a few changes and managed to break through from a low to mid level playoff team (much like Milwaukee now) to a title winner. The addition of Tyson Chandler changed everything for them. They got Shawn Marion. Picked up DeShawn Stevenson. Brendan Haywood for big man depth to replace DeSagana Diop who was a major loss for their defense (it would fall apart whenever Dampier sat much like the B Lopez now).

Milwaukee has done the most difficult part. They have the top end of their roster in place to win a title. Giannis and Lillard. The problem is their supporting cast. They have no terrible perimeter defense and little depth. Those are fixable problems. It will be hard as they do not have much trade assets but it is doable. They should not walk away from a team that could get back to title contention with role player adjustments.

They need to move on from Middleton. Acquire two quality wing defenders. Maybe offer up Portis for one of those slots. And they will be a force to be reckoned with once again.

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2024, 07:44:13 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2024, 08:52:28 AM »

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I would NOT blow it up.

Milwaukee remind me of the Dallas Maverics circa 2008-10. It looked like their window had permanently closed to. Dirk was still doing his thing much like Giannis is now. However, the rest of their team was a slow aging bunch. Kidd was no longer the star he was. Dampier was slow. Josh Howard was starting to have severe injury problems. Caron Butler had not worked out.

Yet, they stuck with it. Made a few changes and managed to break through from a low to mid level playoff team (much like Milwaukee now) to a title winner. The addition of Tyson Chandler changed everything for them. They got Shawn Marion. Picked up DeShawn Stevenson. Brendan Haywood for big man depth to replace DeSagana Diop who was a major loss for their defense (it would fall apart whenever Dampier sat much like the B Lopez now).

Milwaukee has done the most difficult part. They have the top end of their roster in place to win a title. Giannis and Lillard. The problem is their supporting cast. They have no terrible perimeter defense and little depth. Those are fixable problems. It will be hard as they do not have much trade assets but it is doable. They should not walk away from a team that could get back to title contention with role player adjustments.

They need to move on from Middleton. Acquire two quality wing defenders. Maybe offer up Portis for one of those slots. And they will be a force to be reckoned with once again.

I agree. They do need a new coach though. Rivers was a terrible and ridiculous hire. It's almost impossible to get a package back that resembles the value of a superstar. Guys like Bridges already cost 5 first round picks. On top of that, the picks will almost all be late firsts since the acquiring team is going to be really good. Thus you don't want to trade Antetokounmpo unless there's no other option.

Besides that, your other star Lillard may be at an alltime low in terms of trading value. You'd at least want a potential All Star in return, but your negotiating position is weak. Other useful players (Lopez, Middleton, Portis) are mostly old. They will not be attractive targets for teams with young assets. The best trades you can make here is fill a specific need for another contender and gain a specific need that the other team has in abundance.

The Bucks do need to hurry though. Their window, if still open, is short. In four years there won't be much left of Lillard and Antetokounmpo.

In the case that Antetokounmpo will be traded it would only be logical that OKC is his destination. And that would be really scary. The Thunder are already our most dangerous adversary.