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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2024, 11:47:21 AM »

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Florida State season is over at least for their playoff hopes



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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2024, 12:14:35 PM »

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Florida State has their issues but Bill O'Brien might be building something with BC. That is a powerful running attack which could give some teams fits. Obviously they aren't a ranked-caliber team yet but I could see them having a competitive year and having some close games against other tough foes (ex. Missouri). Getting a road win at FSU is a nice start for BoB and the team.
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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2024, 12:23:15 PM »

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Florida State has their issues but Bill O'Brien might be building something with BC. That is a powerful running attack which could give some teams fits. Obviously they aren't a ranked-caliber team yet but I could see them having a competitive year and having some close games against other tough foes (ex. Missouri). Getting a road win at FSU is a nice start for BoB and the team.

Ground game was awesome.  At some point this season, they're gonna have to rely on the passing game though and that still really makes me nervous with Castellanos.


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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2024, 01:16:46 PM »

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Florida State has their issues but Bill O'Brien might be building something with BC. That is a powerful running attack which could give some teams fits. Obviously they aren't a ranked-caliber team yet but I could see them having a competitive year and having some close games against other tough foes (ex. Missouri). Getting a road win at FSU is a nice start for BoB and the team.

Ground game was awesome.  At some point this season, they're gonna have to rely on the passing game though and that still really makes me nervous with Castellanos.

True. I will say though, BC's schedule after Week 3 @Missouri doesn't look so bad though. Sure, a few tricky games here or there.
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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2024, 01:46:45 PM »

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Felt pretty good heading into last night's game but I did not expect BC to throttle FSU the way they did.  My god.  That rushing game.  Offensive line was amazing and BoB seems to have a very well disciplined team.  1 penalty.  Seminoles looked terrible. BC looked very night & day from Hafley last night.

Been a long time since I've felt this optimistic about the BC football program.  Great win.  Hopefully it sets the tone for the season.  Mizzou in two weeks will be a great barometer game.
It was an enjoyable game.  I wouldn't use the Mizzou game as the barometer.  Mizzou is most likely the best team on the BC schedule.   Losing that game wouldn't mean much. 

Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2024, 02:14:36 PM »

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Felt pretty good heading into last night's game but I did not expect BC to throttle FSU the way they did.  My god.  That rushing game.  Offensive line was amazing and BoB seems to have a very well disciplined team.  1 penalty.  Seminoles looked terrible. BC looked very night & day from Hafley last night.

Been a long time since I've felt this optimistic about the BC football program.  Great win.  Hopefully it sets the tone for the season.  Mizzou in two weeks will be a great barometer game.
It was an enjoyable game. I wouldn't use the Mizzou game as the barometer.  Mizzou is most likely the best team on the BC schedule.   Losing that game wouldn't mean much.

Which is exactly why the fanbase will.   Still a lot of questions after last night.


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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2024, 02:16:51 PM »

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2 Ohio St (5)
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4 Alabama
5 Notre Dame
6 Ole Miss
7 Oregon
8 Penn St
9 Missouri
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Miami
13 USC
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
16 Oklahoma State
17 Kansas State
18 LSU
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21 Iowa
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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2024, 02:25:17 PM »

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College football at its finest?.

1) Florida State goes undefeated last year only to get left out of the ?playoffs?. They then lose most of their players through the portal and likely recruits as well. Because who wants to play for a team that even if you do the best you can and win ALL your games, they still won?t let you compete at the highest level? The program essentially is destroyed by the ant-competition committee.

2) The next year the same paper pushers decide FSU is ranked #10 but they can?t hang on against the first two average teams they face. Sure, FSU needs to play better but talk about setting up a team for failure. The deciders have helped FSU look like total under achievers.

Too much influence from committees trying to control the narrative and decide who the best teams are.

I'm not sure if this is fair.  What recruits and transfers left because FSU was left out of the playoff? 

FSU was slated to be in the playoff and then they lost their QB, decimating their offense.  I think that talent evaluators (and players) recognized that.  If guys left, it was either to pursue a better chance for playing time somewhere else, or because they recognized that FSU just wasn't all that good.

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Way to go, BC!  It feels like the first big football win in 20 years.

Not fair to the committee?!? hahaha Good joke.

I don?t know the names of recruits or transfers. I?ll quickly get in over my head here, but I distinctly recall lots of players leaving the program BEFORE their bowl game last year. You think those players would have left if they were in the playoffs?

Neither of us know exactly why any given player decides to transfer or not follow through on their commitment. But to not acknowledge that the committee pushing the program down, not allowing them to compete has a negative effect on the program and its ability to attract players, is willful ignorance.

FSU has their own problems and are ultimately responsible for their own successes and failures. But when someone decides on paper that you fail despite doing as well as you possibly could have, that is going to be detrimental to future success. It stinks that they lost their QB but it stinks even more that a bunch of egg heads then told the rest of the team, coaches, program and the nation that they?re not worth a hill of beans.  The program is in tatters now, loosing a talent to injury is part of that but so is decision making outside of the program that has nothing to do with competition and results on the field.
FSU lost their best players, including their QB, to the NFL draft not to the portal.  You could see how bad they were offensively, without their QB Travis, last season in the last 2 games before the bowl game. 

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Per On3, they did lose 26 players to the portal but they also picked up 17 players who had a much higher average ranking than the players than they lost (78.35 to 65.81).   

FSU had the 12th best high school recruiting class in 2024.  That was a significant improvement from their prior 3 classes (19th, 20th and 23rd). 

So your baseless speculation doesn't hold any water.  If it did, FSU would NOT have been picked by most everyone to win the ACC and make the playoffs. 

FSU is down because they lost their best players on offense and defense to the NFL.  The pundits stupidly thought that FSU could just reload like elite programs (Bama, Georgia and OSU) do but FSU is not an elite program.

There is something off here tho?

Great recruiting class and appeared to gain in the transfer calculus, according to the pundits and computers, and picked to make the playoffs and win the ACC. Hence their ranking and yet, they?re not good. Maybe the people who make all those classifications are wrong and that information shouldn?t be deciding who gets to move on to the playoffs? Again, play the games and let that decide to who the best team is because clearly the math is wrong.

My speculation may lack quantitative substance but the contradictions in your post don?t disprove it either. FSU has been in free fall begining with the loss of their star QB and the snub by the powers that control college football.
Regardless of going undefeated, FSU wasn't one of the 4 best teams and rightly was left out of the playoffs.  FSU is down because their best players left for the NFL.  It wouldn't have matter one bit if they made the playoffs and got blasted by Michigan rather than getting blasted by Georgia in the bowl game.  Their best players would have been gone regardless.  What the bowl game showed was their lack of talent without those top players and their lack of character or culture if you prefer. 

It is important to actually watch the games to see who the best teams are.  Just going by record and ignoring strength of schedule doesn't get you the best or most deserving teams. 

Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2024, 02:41:01 PM »

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2 Ohio St (5)
3 Texas
4 Alabama
5 Notre Dame
6 Ole Miss
7 Oregon
8 Penn St
9 Missouri
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Miami
13 USC
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
16 Oklahoma State
17 Kansas State
18 LSU
19 Kansas
20 Arizona
21 Iowa
22 Louisville
23 Georgia Tech
24 NC State
25 Clemson

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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2024, 02:43:00 PM »

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4 Alabama
5 Notre Dame
6 Ole Miss
7 Oregon
8 Penn St
9 Missouri
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Miami
13 USC
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
16 Oklahoma State
17 Kansas State
18 LSU
19 Kansas
20 Arizona
21 Iowa
22 Louisville
23 Georgia Tech
24 NC State
25 Clemson

They couldn't throw BC a bone?

Haha...for now, I'll take the "also receiving votes"

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Texas A&M 97, Boston College 49, Boise St. 47, Iowa St. 32, Memphis 27, Nebraska 27, SMU 23, Washington 20, Liberty 12, Vanderbilt 8, Wisconsin 8, Auburn 8, Tulane 4, North Carolina 4, UTSA 3, Appalachian St. 3, Kentucky 2, West Virginia 2, Arkansas 2, UNLV 1, Colorado 1.


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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2024, 02:44:36 PM »

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1 Georgia (57 1st place votes)
2 Ohio St (5)
3 Texas
4 Alabama
5 Notre Dame
6 Ole Miss
7 Oregon
8 Penn St
9 Missouri
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Miami
13 USC
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
16 Oklahoma State
17 Kansas State
18 LSU
19 Kansas
20 Arizona
21 Iowa
22 Louisville
23 Georgia Tech
24 NC State
25 Clemson

They couldn't throw BC a bone?

Haha...for now, I'll take the "also receiving votes"

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Texas A&M 97, Boston College 49, Boise St. 47, Iowa St. 32, Memphis 27, Nebraska 27, SMU 23, Washington 20, Liberty 12, Vanderbilt 8, Wisconsin 8, Auburn 8, Tulane 4, North Carolina 4, UTSA 3, Appalachian St. 3, Kentucky 2, West Virginia 2, Arkansas 2, UNLV 1, Colorado 1.

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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2024, 03:52:46 PM »

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1 Georgia (57 1st place votes)
2 Ohio St (5)
3 Texas
4 Alabama
5 Notre Dame
6 Ole Miss
7 Oregon
8 Penn St
9 Missouri
10 Michigan
11 Utah
12 Miami
13 USC
14 Tennessee
15 Oklahoma
16 Oklahoma State
17 Kansas State
18 LSU
19 Kansas
20 Arizona
21 Iowa
22 Louisville
23 Georgia Tech
24 NC State
25 Clemson
Seems pretty reasonable given the limited info available after week I'd have Michigan, USC and LSU all 2 or 3 spots lower.

Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2024, 04:30:37 PM »

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College football at its finest?.

1) Florida State goes undefeated last year only to get left out of the ?playoffs?. They then lose most of their players through the portal and likely recruits as well. Because who wants to play for a team that even if you do the best you can and win ALL your games, they still won?t let you compete at the highest level? The program essentially is destroyed by the ant-competition committee.

2) The next year the same paper pushers decide FSU is ranked #10 but they can?t hang on against the first two average teams they face. Sure, FSU needs to play better but talk about setting up a team for failure. The deciders have helped FSU look like total under achievers.

Too much influence from committees trying to control the narrative and decide who the best teams are.

I'm not sure if this is fair.  What recruits and transfers left because FSU was left out of the playoff? 

FSU was slated to be in the playoff and then they lost their QB, decimating their offense.  I think that talent evaluators (and players) recognized that.  If guys left, it was either to pursue a better chance for playing time somewhere else, or because they recognized that FSU just wasn't all that good.

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Way to go, BC!  It feels like the first big football win in 20 years.

Not fair to the committee?!? hahaha Good joke.

I don?t know the names of recruits or transfers. I?ll quickly get in over my head here, but I distinctly recall lots of players leaving the program BEFORE their bowl game last year. You think those players would have left if they were in the playoffs?

Neither of us know exactly why any given player decides to transfer or not follow through on their commitment. But to not acknowledge that the committee pushing the program down, not allowing them to compete has a negative effect on the program and its ability to attract players, is willful ignorance.

FSU has their own problems and are ultimately responsible for their own successes and failures. But when someone decides on paper that you fail despite doing as well as you possibly could have, that is going to be detrimental to future success. It stinks that they lost their QB but it stinks even more that a bunch of egg heads then told the rest of the team, coaches, program and the nation that they?re not worth a hill of beans.  The program is in tatters now, loosing a talent to injury is part of that but so is decision making outside of the program that has nothing to do with competition and results on the field.
FSU lost their best players, including their QB, to the NFL draft not to the portal.  You could see how bad they were offensively, without their QB Travis, last season in the last 2 games before the bowl game. 

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Per On3, they did lose 26 players to the portal but they also picked up 17 players who had a much higher average ranking than the players than they lost (78.35 to 65.81).   

FSU had the 12th best high school recruiting class in 2024.  That was a significant improvement from their prior 3 classes (19th, 20th and 23rd). 

So your baseless speculation doesn't hold any water.  If it did, FSU would NOT have been picked by most everyone to win the ACC and make the playoffs. 

FSU is down because they lost their best players on offense and defense to the NFL.  The pundits stupidly thought that FSU could just reload like elite programs (Bama, Georgia and OSU) do but FSU is not an elite program.

There is something off here tho?

Great recruiting class and appeared to gain in the transfer calculus, according to the pundits and computers, and picked to make the playoffs and win the ACC. Hence their ranking and yet, they?re not good. Maybe the people who make all those classifications are wrong and that information shouldn?t be deciding who gets to move on to the playoffs? Again, play the games and let that decide to who the best team is because clearly the math is wrong.

My speculation may lack quantitative substance but the contradictions in your post don?t disprove it either. FSU has been in free fall begining with the loss of their star QB and the snub by the powers that control college football.
Regardless of going undefeated, FSU wasn't one of the 4 best teams and rightly was left out of the playoffs.  FSU is down because their best players left for the NFL.  It wouldn't have matter one bit if they made the playoffs and got blasted by Michigan rather than getting blasted by Georgia in the bowl game.  Their best players would have been gone regardless.  What the bowl game showed was their lack of talent without those top players and their lack of character or culture if you prefer. 

It is important to actually watch the games to see who the best teams are.  Just going by record and ignoring strength of schedule doesn't get you the best or most deserving teams.

The Georgia bowl game is meaningless. Players left before it. It tells us nothing had they been allowed to play Michigan with their full team minus their QB. I?m sure ur right and they most likely would?ve gotten destroyed but we?ll never know because they were never given the chance. They did everything they could to get there and the system didn?t let them in.

Our difference in opinion lies in the fact you (and the committee and likely most of America 😆) want the best teams on paper to play each other. Where as, I think record matters. If one of the best teams had a hiccup and lost whereas an inferior team goes undefeated, like last year, why should Alabama, a team that stumbled get a second chance where as a team that went perfect get no chance? I mean, geez no one actually believed Alabama was going to win out in the playoffs They were on paper and evidenced by their loss and getting a miracle to beat Auburn not a championship caliber team. But they get a redo? It?s a system that awards reputation and not competitive process.

Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2024, 04:44:45 PM »

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1) Florida State goes undefeated last year only to get left out of the ?playoffs?. They then lose most of their players through the portal and likely recruits as well. Because who wants to play for a team that even if you do the best you can and win ALL your games, they still won?t let you compete at the highest level? The program essentially is destroyed by the ant-competition committee.

2) The next year the same paper pushers decide FSU is ranked #10 but they can?t hang on against the first two average teams they face. Sure, FSU needs to play better but talk about setting up a team for failure. The deciders have helped FSU look like total under achievers.

Too much influence from committees trying to control the narrative and decide who the best teams are.

I'm not sure if this is fair.  What recruits and transfers left because FSU was left out of the playoff? 

FSU was slated to be in the playoff and then they lost their QB, decimating their offense.  I think that talent evaluators (and players) recognized that.  If guys left, it was either to pursue a better chance for playing time somewhere else, or because they recognized that FSU just wasn't all that good.

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Way to go, BC!  It feels like the first big football win in 20 years.

Not fair to the committee?!? hahaha Good joke.

I don?t know the names of recruits or transfers. I?ll quickly get in over my head here, but I distinctly recall lots of players leaving the program BEFORE their bowl game last year. You think those players would have left if they were in the playoffs?

Neither of us know exactly why any given player decides to transfer or not follow through on their commitment. But to not acknowledge that the committee pushing the program down, not allowing them to compete has a negative effect on the program and its ability to attract players, is willful ignorance.

FSU has their own problems and are ultimately responsible for their own successes and failures. But when someone decides on paper that you fail despite doing as well as you possibly could have, that is going to be detrimental to future success. It stinks that they lost their QB but it stinks even more that a bunch of egg heads then told the rest of the team, coaches, program and the nation that they?re not worth a hill of beans.  The program is in tatters now, loosing a talent to injury is part of that but so is decision making outside of the program that has nothing to do with competition and results on the field.
FSU lost their best players, including their QB, to the NFL draft not to the portal.  You could see how bad they were offensively, without their QB Travis, last season in the last 2 games before the bowl game. 

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Per On3, they did lose 26 players to the portal but they also picked up 17 players who had a much higher average ranking than the players than they lost (78.35 to 65.81).   

FSU had the 12th best high school recruiting class in 2024.  That was a significant improvement from their prior 3 classes (19th, 20th and 23rd). 

So your baseless speculation doesn't hold any water.  If it did, FSU would NOT have been picked by most everyone to win the ACC and make the playoffs. 

FSU is down because they lost their best players on offense and defense to the NFL.  The pundits stupidly thought that FSU could just reload like elite programs (Bama, Georgia and OSU) do but FSU is not an elite program.

There is something off here tho?

Great recruiting class and appeared to gain in the transfer calculus, according to the pundits and computers, and picked to make the playoffs and win the ACC. Hence their ranking and yet, they?re not good. Maybe the people who make all those classifications are wrong and that information shouldn?t be deciding who gets to move on to the playoffs? Again, play the games and let that decide to who the best team is because clearly the math is wrong.

My speculation may lack quantitative substance but the contradictions in your post don?t disprove it either. FSU has been in free fall begining with the loss of their star QB and the snub by the powers that control college football.
Regardless of going undefeated, FSU wasn't one of the 4 best teams and rightly was left out of the playoffs.  FSU is down because their best players left for the NFL.  It wouldn't have matter one bit if they made the playoffs and got blasted by Michigan rather than getting blasted by Georgia in the bowl game.  Their best players would have been gone regardless.  What the bowl game showed was their lack of talent without those top players and their lack of character or culture if you prefer. 

It is important to actually watch the games to see who the best teams are.  Just going by record and ignoring strength of schedule doesn't get you the best or most deserving teams.

The Georgia bowl game is meaningless. Players left before it. It tells us nothing had they been allowed to play Michigan with their full team minus their QB. I?m sure ur right and they most likely would?ve gotten destroyed but we?ll never know because they were never given the chance. They did everything they could to get there and the system didn?t let them in.

Our difference in opinion lies in the fact you (and the committee and likely most of America 😆) want the best teams on paper to play each other. Where as, I think record matters. If one of the best teams had a hiccup and lost whereas an inferior team goes undefeated, like last year, why should Alabama, a team that stumbled get a second chance where as a team that went perfect get no chance? I mean, geez no one actually believed Alabama was going to win out in the playoffs They were on paper and evidenced by their loss and getting a miracle to beat Auburn not a championship caliber team. But they get a redo? It?s a system that awards reputation and not competitive process.

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Re: 2024-25 College Football Season
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2024, 05:13:23 PM »

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USC had a great win against LSU but how on earth did they go up 10 spots in the ranking?? That win alone basically vaulted them from #23 to being on the cusp of the 12-team playoff lol.

BC is definitely on the map again. I could see them being ranked as early as next week
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