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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #225 on: October 30, 2024, 11:46:38 AM »

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A longtime Boston Celtics owner with a minority stake in the team is angling to gain control of the storied franchise ? at a discount from the expected $6 billion asking price, The Post has learned.

Steve Pagliuca, who owns about 20% of the reigning NBA champs, has pressed minority shareholders who own roughly another 30% to fall in with him in bidding for the Celtics, sources close to the situation said.

If he can get firm commitments from the other investors, it would give him leverage over any deep-pocketed buyers who may jump in as the bidding process tips off, the sources said.

I'm conflicted.  While I'd like the continuity of Pags, I sort of prefer the idea of somebody with "deep pockets".  I don't want to see this team get broken up prematurely.

Agreed; if someone needs to pool investors together, they can?t afford this team and the annual salaries

Almost assuredly it will be a purchasing group of investors, not a single owner.  That?s just how it goes these days.

Also, that Pags is trying to figure out a way to get the Celtics more cheaply does not mean that he is necessarily cheap, if that makes sense.  It is a multi-billion dollar deal.  He wants the Celtics, but also at the lowest possible price, which tends to be how most people buy expensive things.  So if he can get 50% of the current shares to want to stick around, they can prevent a sale to a third-party (unless they are offered even more than the current asking price, which would probably peel some of them off).

I don't fault Pags for wanting to pay the lowest amount possible.  I just worry that he's cash poor (in relative terms), and thus would be less likely to operate the team at a loss for a season or two.

Excuse the naive question but can the Grousebecks sell to Pags at a discount or are they obligated (legally) to sell to the highest bidder?

I believe they can sell their shares to whoever they'd like, subject to NBA approval.

I imagine there is a theoretical limit to a "discount" that the league would allow, however that hypothetical is unlikely to be realized, since if the value of the discount was great enough for the league to be concerned, it also would be great enough that the Grousbecks wouldn't be able to personally justify it, all else being equal.

Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #226 on: October 30, 2024, 11:57:23 AM »

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A longtime Boston Celtics owner with a minority stake in the team is angling to gain control of the storied franchise ? at a discount from the expected $6 billion asking price, The Post has learned.

Steve Pagliuca, who owns about 20% of the reigning NBA champs, has pressed minority shareholders who own roughly another 30% to fall in with him in bidding for the Celtics, sources close to the situation said.

If he can get firm commitments from the other investors, it would give him leverage over any deep-pocketed buyers who may jump in as the bidding process tips off, the sources said.

I'm conflicted.  While I'd like the continuity of Pags, I sort of prefer the idea of somebody with "deep pockets".  I don't want to see this team get broken up prematurely.

Agreed; if someone needs to pool investors together, they can?t afford this team and the annual salaries

Almost assuredly it will be a purchasing group of investors, not a single owner.  That?s just how it goes these days.

Also, that Pags is trying to figure out a way to get the Celtics more cheaply does not mean that he is necessarily cheap, if that makes sense.  It is a multi-billion dollar deal.  He wants the Celtics, but also at the lowest possible price, which tends to be how most people buy expensive things.  So if he can get 50% of the current shares to want to stick around, they can prevent a sale to a third-party (unless they are offered even more than the current asking price, which would probably peel some of them off).

I don't fault Pags for wanting to pay the lowest amount possible.  I just worry that he's cash poor (in relative terms), and thus would be less likely to operate the team at a loss for a season or two.

Excuse the naive question but can the Grousebecks sell to Pags at a discount or are they obligated (legally) to sell to the highest bidder?

I believe they can sell their shares to whoever they'd like, subject to NBA approval.

I imagine there is a theoretical limit to a "discount" that the league would allow, however that hypothetical is unlikely to be realized, since if the value of the discount was great enough for the league to be concerned, it also would be great enough that the Grousbecks wouldn't be able to personally justify it, all else being equal.

Yeah, I would imagine that the league puts some pressure on teams to take the highest bid.  The only example that springs to mind of the highest bidder being rejected was when Mark Cuban was denied the opportunity to buy the Cubs.


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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #227 on: October 30, 2024, 12:57:51 PM »

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A longtime Boston Celtics owner with a minority stake in the team is angling to gain control of the storied franchise ? at a discount from the expected $6 billion asking price, The Post has learned.

Steve Pagliuca, who owns about 20% of the reigning NBA champs, has pressed minority shareholders who own roughly another 30% to fall in with him in bidding for the Celtics, sources close to the situation said.

If he can get firm commitments from the other investors, it would give him leverage over any deep-pocketed buyers who may jump in as the bidding process tips off, the sources said.

I'm conflicted.  While I'd like the continuity of Pags, I sort of prefer the idea of somebody with "deep pockets".  I don't want to see this team get broken up prematurely.

Agreed; if someone needs to pool investors together, they can?t afford this team and the annual salaries

Almost assuredly it will be a purchasing group of investors, not a single owner.  That?s just how it goes these days.

Also, that Pags is trying to figure out a way to get the Celtics more cheaply does not mean that he is necessarily cheap, if that makes sense.  It is a multi-billion dollar deal.  He wants the Celtics, but also at the lowest possible price, which tends to be how most people buy expensive things.  So if he can get 50% of the current shares to want to stick around, they can prevent a sale to a third-party (unless they are offered even more than the current asking price, which would probably peel some of them off).

I don't fault Pags for wanting to pay the lowest amount possible.  I just worry that he's cash poor (in relative terms), and thus would be less likely to operate the team at a loss for a season or two.

Excuse the naive question but can the Grousebecks sell to Pags at a discount or are they obligated (legally) to sell to the highest bidder?

I believe they can sell their shares to whoever they'd like, subject to NBA approval.

I imagine there is a theoretical limit to a "discount" that the league would allow, however that hypothetical is unlikely to be realized, since if the value of the discount was great enough for the league to be concerned, it also would be great enough that the Grousbecks wouldn't be able to personally justify it, all else being equal.

Yeah, I would imagine that the league puts some pressure on teams to take the highest bid.  The only example that springs to mind of the highest bidder being rejected was when Mark Cuban was denied the opportunity to buy the Cubs.

It gets interesting if there's only "one" bid though. Obviously the C's are a marquee franchise and reigning champs, so the league is very interested in them going for top dollar, but what if Pagliuca and Co. is the only offer? Will the league shoot it down and force the Grousbeck's to continue to hold and wait for a better deal? Could the league accept that a huge payroll/tax bill and no arena makes the C's less attractive than they first thought?

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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #228 on: October 30, 2024, 01:55:02 PM »

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A longtime Boston Celtics owner with a minority stake in the team is angling to gain control of the storied franchise ? at a discount from the expected $6 billion asking price, The Post has learned.

Steve Pagliuca, who owns about 20% of the reigning NBA champs, has pressed minority shareholders who own roughly another 30% to fall in with him in bidding for the Celtics, sources close to the situation said.

If he can get firm commitments from the other investors, it would give him leverage over any deep-pocketed buyers who may jump in as the bidding process tips off, the sources said.

I'm conflicted.  While I'd like the continuity of Pags, I sort of prefer the idea of somebody with "deep pockets".  I don't want to see this team get broken up prematurely.

Agreed; if someone needs to pool investors together, they can?t afford this team and the annual salaries

Almost assuredly it will be a purchasing group of investors, not a single owner.  That?s just how it goes these days.

Also, that Pags is trying to figure out a way to get the Celtics more cheaply does not mean that he is necessarily cheap, if that makes sense.  It is a multi-billion dollar deal.  He wants the Celtics, but also at the lowest possible price, which tends to be how most people buy expensive things.  So if he can get 50% of the current shares to want to stick around, they can prevent a sale to a third-party (unless they are offered even more than the current asking price, which would probably peel some of them off).

I don't fault Pags for wanting to pay the lowest amount possible.  I just worry that he's cash poor (in relative terms), and thus would be less likely to operate the team at a loss for a season or two.

Excuse the naive question but can the Grousebecks sell to Pags at a discount or are they obligated (legally) to sell to the highest bidder?

I believe they can sell their shares to whoever they'd like, subject to NBA approval.

I imagine there is a theoretical limit to a "discount" that the league would allow, however that hypothetical is unlikely to be realized, since if the value of the discount was great enough for the league to be concerned, it also would be great enough that the Grousbecks wouldn't be able to personally justify it, all else being equal.

Yeah, I would imagine that the league puts some pressure on teams to take the highest bid.  The only example that springs to mind of the highest bidder being rejected was when Mark Cuban was denied the opportunity to buy the Cubs.

It gets interesting if there's only "one" bid though. Obviously the C's are a marquee franchise and reigning champs, so the league is very interested in them going for top dollar, but what if Pagliuca and Co. is the only offer? Will the league shoot it down and force the Grousbeck's to continue to hold and wait for a better deal? Could the league accept that a huge payroll/tax bill and no arena makes the C's less attractive than they first thought?
I think it's less of the payroll & tax and much more of the arena deal, but I think this is part of it.  I also think that, in general, the value of the Celtics will never be higher in the short term, and the types of people who would want to invest in sports teams are generally looking to pay under value, not at the apex.

Consider: one season off of winning a championship, keeping the same core, likely to make a repeat run to the Finals or a very deep playoff run at minimum... teams rarely come up for sale anyway, but usually teams that are contenders never find themselves on the block, so it's a largely unprecedented situation.
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #229 on: December 18, 2024, 02:47:30 PM »

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Interesting tweet I just saw.  Breakout of '23=24 revenue.

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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #230 on: December 18, 2024, 04:56:48 PM »

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Would be interesting to see the same chart for the Bruins, who I think own TD Garden.

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« Reply #231 on: December 18, 2024, 05:59:55 PM »

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Interesting tweet I just saw.  Breakout of '23=24 revenue.

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I was talking about the accuracy of Statista's numbers a couple pages back. So this official number from the Celtics is $493m, while Statista's numbers (which are actually Forbes' estimates) had the Celtics at $457m. So Statista/Forbes numbers were 8% off, but in the general ball park, just something to remember when googling team financials.


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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #232 on: December 21, 2024, 02:51:18 PM »

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Would be interesting to see the same chart for the Bruins, who I think own TD Garden.
I don't know anything about business and certainly don't know anything about anyone else's business but it's too bad the group that owns the Bruins and the Garden couldn't put together an offer and have all 3 together.
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« Reply #233 on: December 21, 2024, 04:19:48 PM »

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Would be interesting to see the same chart for the Bruins, who I think own TD Garden.
I don't know anything about business and certainly don't know anything about anyone else's business but it's too bad the group that owns the Bruins and the Garden couldn't put together an offer and have all 3 together.

That's still Jeremy Jacob's, right?  I don't think he is cash rich enough to buy the team, and I wouldn't want him to. He was considered one of the cheapest owners in hockey before the NHL put their salary cap in..


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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #234 on: January 27, 2025, 10:06:39 AM »

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?The Celtics, it was their first round of buyers, they had to cut down their perspective buyers,? Simmons said on his podcast Sunday night. ?Four or five people made the first round. One of the people was the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, who is apparently from Massachusetts. There?s been a couple of ?Hmm, I wonder who these guys are?? There are a couple I couldn?t figure out but that?s one.?

A few different sources are mentioning that Lurie is in on the bidding for the Celtics.  He's a Massachusetts native, went to school in Boston, and is purportedly a Celtics fan.

Sounds good to me.


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« Reply #235 on: January 27, 2025, 10:11:18 AM »

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?The Celtics, it was their first round of buyers, they had to cut down their perspective buyers,? Simmons said on his podcast Sunday night. ?Four or five people made the first round. One of the people was the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, who is apparently from Massachusetts. There?s been a couple of ?Hmm, I wonder who these guys are?? There are a couple I couldn?t figure out but that?s one.?

A few different sources are mentioning that Lurie is in on the bidding for the Celtics.  He's a Massachusetts native, went to school in Boston, and is purportedly a Celtics fan.

Sounds good to me.

Yeah, he went to Clark & Brandeis. Tried buying the Pats back in the early 90s before he bought the Eagles a few years later.

I'd be totally fine with him.


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« Reply #236 on: January 29, 2025, 01:49:47 AM »

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?The Celtics, it was their first round of buyers, they had to cut down their perspective buyers,? Simmons said on his podcast Sunday night. ?Four or five people made the first round. One of the people was the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, who is apparently from Massachusetts. There?s been a couple of ?Hmm, I wonder who these guys are?? There are a couple I couldn?t figure out but that?s one.?

A few different sources are mentioning that Lurie is in on the bidding for the Celtics.  He's a Massachusetts native, went to school in Boston, and is purportedly a Celtics fan.

Sounds good to me.

Yeah, he went to Clark & Brandeis. Tried buying the Pats back in the early 90s before he bought the Eagles a few years later.

I'd be totally fine with him.

My only concern with Jeffrey Lurie is his age, given Lurie is 73. For me that is rather old to begin team ownership. My fear would be he forces short sighted, short term moves because he wants to (keep) winning right away before he gets too old.

If Wyc had a short sighted attitude, he could easily have forced Ainge to trade Brown for Kawhi Leonard in 2019 and then who knows after his body fell apart (or just walked away), we might have lost Tatum too.

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« Reply #237 on: January 29, 2025, 06:07:15 AM »

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?The Celtics, it was their first round of buyers, they had to cut down their perspective buyers,? Simmons said on his podcast Sunday night. ?Four or five people made the first round. One of the people was the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, who is apparently from Massachusetts. There?s been a couple of ?Hmm, I wonder who these guys are?? There are a couple I couldn?t figure out but that?s one.?

A few different sources are mentioning that Lurie is in on the bidding for the Celtics.  He's a Massachusetts native, went to school in Boston, and is purportedly a Celtics fan.

Sounds good to me.

Yeah, he went to Clark & Brandeis. Tried buying the Pats back in the early 90s before he bought the Eagles a few years later.

I'd be totally fine with him.

My only concern with Jeffrey Lurie is his age, given Lurie is 73. For me that is rather old to begin team ownership. My fear would be he forces short sighted, short term moves because he wants to (keep) winning right away before he gets too old.

If Wyc had a short sighted attitude, he could easily have forced Ainge to trade Brown for Kawhi Leonard in 2019 and then who knows after his body fell apart (or just walked away), we might have lost Tatum too.

Counterpoint, Wyc's dad was 70 when they bought the Celtics (and it appears to have largely been his money).
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« Reply #238 on: January 29, 2025, 06:56:11 AM »

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?The Celtics, it was their first round of buyers, they had to cut down their perspective buyers,? Simmons said on his podcast Sunday night. ?Four or five people made the first round. One of the people was the Eagles owner, Jeffrey Lurie, who is apparently from Massachusetts. There?s been a couple of ?Hmm, I wonder who these guys are?? There are a couple I couldn?t figure out but that?s one.?

A few different sources are mentioning that Lurie is in on the bidding for the Celtics.  He's a Massachusetts native, went to school in Boston, and is purportedly a Celtics fan.

Sounds good to me.

Yeah, he went to Clark & Brandeis. Tried buying the Pats back in the early 90s before he bought the Eagles a few years later.

I'd be totally fine with him.

My only concern with Jeffrey Lurie is his age, given Lurie is 73. For me that is rather old to begin team ownership. My fear would be he forces short sighted, short term moves because he wants to (keep) winning right away before he gets too old.

If Wyc had a short sighted attitude, he could easily have forced Ainge to trade Brown for Kawhi Leonard in 2019 and then who knows after his body fell apart (or just walked away), we might have lost Tatum too.

Counterpoint, Wyc's dad was 70 when they bought the Celtics (and it appears to have largely been his money).

And many people who are 73 today do not feel as though they?ve got one foot in the grave.  I don?t know Lurie?s health, family history, or mindset but it?s possible he views himself as someone with a long way to go and has the patience that comes from having plenty of time.  Basketball generations aren?t 20 years - more like 5-7 years - and Lurie may well feel he?s got 4 or 5 generations to go. 

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