Sam Hauser extension?

[Celtics2021]

I understand that there are limits to how big a raise a player can get via an extension.  It has been reported that White is eligible for up to four years and $127 million this summer, if the mechanism is an extension, for example.  But would Hauser be considered an extension if they don't pick up next season team option?  Can they decline the option, he becomes a UFA on July 1 (I believe), and then they can sign him for as much as they want (no limitation as there would be with an extension)?

Hollinger said that Hauser would be "extension eligible".  But if it is actually an extension, would there be a limit on how big a raise he could get?  I guess it they pick up the team option, then they could extend him, but I am trying to understand if there would be limits on the extension.

Hauser is extension eligible if they pick up his option.  Year 1 can start at up 140% of the estimated average NBA salary, which I think will put year 1 at around $15 million at the most.  But that number will be officially realized in a couple of days.

If the Celtics decline his option, he would be a restricted free agent with full Bird rights, so the Celtics could offer him up to 5 years at the 25% max (they won?t, but they could) and can match anything he?s offered.  Its unlikely Hauser would get more than the MLE, which comes in less than the most they can extend him for; the difference being with an extension the new salary kicks in next year and the free agent contract kicks in this year.

[Vermont Green]

I understand that there are limits to how big a raise a player can get via an extension.  It has been reported that White is eligible for up to four years and $127 million this summer, if the mechanism is an extension, for example.  But would Hauser be considered an extension if they don't pick up next season team option?  Can they decline the option, he becomes a UFA on July 1 (I believe), and then they can sign him for as much as they want (no limitation as there would be with an extension)?

Hollinger said that Hauser would be "extension eligible".  But if it is actually an extension, would there be a limit on how big a raise he could get?  I guess it they pick up the team option, then they could extend him, but I am trying to understand if there would be limits on the extension.

Hauser is extension eligible if they pick up his option.  Year 1 can start at up 140% of the estimated average NBA salary, which I think will put year 1 at around $15 million at the most.  But that number will be officially realized in a couple of days.

If the Celtics decline his option, he would be a restricted free agent with full Bird rights, so the Celtics could offer him up to 5 years at the 25% max (they won?t, but they could) and can match anything he?s offered.  Its unlikely Hauser would get more than the MLE, which comes in less than the most they can extend him for; the difference being with an extension the new salary kicks in next year and the free agent contract kicks in this year.

OK, thanks, as usual, Celtics2021 provides extremely clear and helpful answers.  I guess the part that I didn't understand is that an extension is limited to 140% of the last contract OR the league average (the league average would be the value in play for Hauser of course).  This gives them plenty of headroom, I would think, to extend him at a number that would make sense for both sides.  It seems doubtful that will reach a point where Hauser becomes a RFA.

[Celtics2021]

I understand that there are limits to how big a raise a player can get via an extension.  It has been reported that White is eligible for up to four years and $127 million this summer, if the mechanism is an extension, for example.  But would Hauser be considered an extension if they don't pick up next season team option?  Can they decline the option, he becomes a UFA on July 1 (I believe), and then they can sign him for as much as they want (no limitation as there would be with an extension)?

Hollinger said that Hauser would be "extension eligible".  But if it is actually an extension, would there be a limit on how big a raise he could get?  I guess it they pick up the team option, then they could extend him, but I am trying to understand if there would be limits on the extension.

Hauser is extension eligible if they pick up his option.  Year 1 can start at up 140% of the estimated average NBA salary, which I think will put year 1 at around $15 million at the most.  But that number will be officially realized in a couple of days.

If the Celtics decline his option, he would be a restricted free agent with full Bird rights, so the Celtics could offer him up to 5 years at the 25% max (they won?t, but they could) and can match anything he?s offered.  Its unlikely Hauser would get more than the MLE, which comes in less than the most they can extend him for; the difference being with an extension the new salary kicks in next year and the free agent contract kicks in this year.

OK, thanks, as usual, Celtics2021 provides extremely clear and helpful answers.  I guess the part that I didn't understand is that an extension is limited to 140% of the last contract OR the league average (the league average would be the value in play for Hauser of course).  This gives them plenty of headroom, I would think, to extend him at a number that would make sense for both sides.  It seems doubtful that will reach a point where Hauser becomes a RFA.

The advantage with an RFA would be that Hauser gets paid earlier (relevant for someone who?s only made the minimum) and the Celtics can give him a longer deal.  If those things allow the Celtics to structure a deal so that there is less tax burden in future years when the tax brackets are much more expensive, you would see the RFA route because it?s better for both sides.

[keevsnick]

To be clear i don't think Scheierman and Hauser are exactly the same player type. Sam is almost exclusively an off ball guy, Shceiermna has more on ball skill. Hauser is a bit bigger, more of a 3/4 while Scheierman is a 2/3.

I don't think Scheierman means much for Hauser this year. The C's when healthy have a solid top 8 in their starters +Al/Sam/PP. But regular season rotations are routinely more than eight guys, and KP is not going to be healthy to start the year which will open up some wings minutes as the C's will likely play some amount of KP's time smaller. So I coudl easily see Scheierman as the 9th man with regular rotation minutes at least in the regular seaosn. 

What gets interesting is 25-26. The C's will and should be trying to extend Hauser, but that doesn't mean he'll still be on the team in 25-26. The C's will be 25+ million into the luxury tax in 25-26 even without Horford or Hauser on the team, and they'll be in the repeater tax. That means a GIGANTIC tax bill. If you can replace Hauser, making lets say 13-15 million, with Scheierman making less than 3 you could save literally 100 million in luxury tax.

Even if you don't care about ownership's tax bill, and you shouldn't, signing Hauser at least gives you a mid-level contract you can flip in order to bring in a big man to replace Horford if he decides to retire. Having a back-up plan for Hauser makes that a lot easier to do.

To me the C's should be aiming to get Hauser on a MLE deal, that way he's tradeable into another teams MLE into the future (the new CBA lets you use the MLE as a trade exception). If the decline his option (6/29 decision date), that would be a pretty good indication they have a deal worked out, but picking up the option doesn't mean they won't extend him. It just depends on how they want to structure his money.

[trickybilly]

Luke Kennard (career 44% from 3) signed a 4 year 64 million dollar deal in 2020.

Sam is legitimately looking at 25-30 million per. MLE level talk seems a bit off to me. Maybe Kennard is a better ball handler and playmaker, but shooting is worth more and more every year.

Derrick Jones just got 10 per and he was virtually unplayable in the Finals (and shoots career 31% from 3)

[stes]

Luke Kennard (career 44% from 3) signed a 4 year 64 million dollar deal in 2020.

Sam is legitimately looking at 25-30 million per. MLE level talk seems a bit off to me. Maybe Kennard is a better ball handler and playmaker, but shooting is worth more and more every year.

Derrick Jones just got 10 per and he was virtually unplayable in the Finals (and shoots career 31% from 3)

I think Sam is a 25-30 million player only for a rebuilding team on a short deal. Something like Bruce Brown got last year. This is why I think they picked up his option. Some team like Orlando or Detroit could have thrown a ton on a short term contract and the tax would make it impossible for the Cs to match. I hope he extends for MLE type money, so that we don?t lose him for nothing next year.
Anyway, I was a bit anxious about the lack of info about his extension, but I guess they can only start discuss it next week, right?

[ozgod]

I understand that there are limits to how big a raise a player can get via an extension.  It has been reported that White is eligible for up to four years and $127 million this summer, if the mechanism is an extension, for example.  But would Hauser be considered an extension if they don't pick up next season team option?  Can they decline the option, he becomes a UFA on July 1 (I believe), and then they can sign him for as much as they want (no limitation as there would be with an extension)?

Hollinger said that Hauser would be "extension eligible".  But if it is actually an extension, would there be a limit on how big a raise he could get?  I guess it they pick up the team option, then they could extend him, but I am trying to understand if there would be limits on the extension.

Hauser is extension eligible if they pick up his option.  Year 1 can start at up 140% of the estimated average NBA salary, which I think will put year 1 at around $15 million at the most.  But that number will be officially realized in a couple of days.

If the Celtics decline his option, he would be a restricted free agent with full Bird rights, so the Celtics could offer him up to 5 years at the 25% max (they won?t, but they could) and can match anything he?s offered.  Its unlikely Hauser would get more than the MLE, which comes in less than the most they can extend him for; the difference being with an extension the new salary kicks in next year and the free agent contract kicks in this year.

According to Himmelsbach from the Globe Sam is eligible for a 4 year $78m extension. I agree with you that he won't get that much from the Cs anyway. And I don't know if he will push that hard (maybe his agent will).

The Celtics picked up Sam Hauser?s $2.1 million option for the 2024-25 season Saturday, according to multiple league sources. A source said the two sides are expected to begin negotiating an extension for the 26-year-old forward after the window for those discussions opens July 9.

Hauser is eligible for an extension worth up to $78 million over four seasons. On Thursday, Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens declined to discuss Hauser?s contract situation, but made it clear the team views him as a key piece.

?We want Hauser to be here for a long time,? Stevens said.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/29/sports/sam-hauser-celtics-contract-option/?p1=BGSearch_Overlay_Results

[Birdman]

4 year 78 million, no way..like Hauser but can?t do that with him..

[Roy H.]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
yesterday
Reminder that Sam Hauser becomes extension-eligible on Tuesday July 9 as the #Celtics continue their run of agreeing to extensions under Brad Stevens.

[Phantom255x]

4/78M for Hauser would be idiotic

I personally wouldn't mind something around 4/48M or less.

[mobilija]

Hauser is crucial. He is a +/- darling. Elite shooting, high IQ and good defense. It would be a big blow to lose him for penny pinching. 12mil a year sounds nice but if he costs 20mil a year?.do it. He?s been a bargain, would be difficult to replace and will always be tradeable.

[hwangjini_1]

Hauser is crucial. He is a +/- darling. Elite shooting, high IQ and good defense. It would be a big blow to lose him for penny pinching. 12mil a year sounds nice but if he costs 20mil a year?.do it. He?s been a bargain, would be difficult to replace and will always be tradeable.

perhaps, but scheiermann may be the player to do so in a year.

[Vermont Green]

I don't know about driving up the Brink's truck for Hauser.  It seems like his extension should be closer to Pritchard's (4 year/$30M) than to White's (4 years/$118M).  $78M is close to the middle of these but closer to White's extension.  Even 4/$48M seems high for Hauser to me.  Oubre got 2 years/$16.3M.  Buddy Heild 4 years/$38M.

I feel like something in the $8M-$10M first year is fair (which means he will get way more than I think).  Maybe the contract can be made more attractive by making it for 4 years guaranteed, but with a player out after 2 years or something.

[Roy H.]

I don't know about driving up the Brink's truck for Hauser.  It seems like his extension should be closer to Pritchard's (4 year/$30M) than to White's (4 years/$118M).  $78M is close to the middle of these but closer to White's extension.  Even 4/$48M seems high for Hauser to me.  Oubre got 2 years/$16.3M.  Buddy Heild 4 years/$38M.

I feel like something in the $8M-$10M first year is fair (which means he will get way more than I think).  Maybe the contract can be made more attractive by making it for 4 years guaranteed, but with a player out after 2 years or something.

The market is weird, but it does seem like Isaiah Joe's 4 years, $48 million is the top of Hauser's market this year.  Other wings seem to have settled into that $8 million to $10.5 million range.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't know about driving up the Brink's truck for Hauser.  It seems like his extension should be closer to Pritchard's (4 year/$30M) than to White's (4 years/$118M).  $78M is close to the middle of these but closer to White's extension.  Even 4/$48M seems high for Hauser to me.  Oubre got 2 years/$16.3M.  Buddy Heild 4 years/$38M.

I feel like something in the $8M-$10M first year is fair (which means he will get way more than I think).  Maybe the contract can be made more attractive by making it for 4 years guaranteed, but with a player out after 2 years or something.

Man, if we could keep him for Hield's contract, that would be a steal. That would lock up two really good rotation players and shooters for four more years at less than 15m a year total.