Los Angeles NBA Team Has 12 Championships

[SparzWizard]

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Los Angeles has 11 titles
Minneapolis has 5 titles
Disney World has 1 title

But Lakers fans love bringing up the argument that during the Russell era we played in a league of only 10 teams and that the Lakers are way better bcuz of their dominance in the 80s, 90s, 00s, 10 and 20 lol

To which I always respond, "If it was so easy with only 10 teams, why didn't the Lakers ever win even one ?"

There is also the fact that fewer teams meant the elite talent was more concentrated and Boston had to play the best teams multiple times.
Every time there is expansion, we hear about the talent in the league being watered down.
The Minneapolis titles were older than our 60's dynasty, when the style of play became much more in line with the "modern" game to follow.
The first two Laker titles were not even NBA-sanctioned. The league went by some other generic name at that time.
The Lakers did not even recognize or put up banners for the Minneapolis titles until they were within shouting distance of the Celtics total.

And now Lakers fans are very disgruntled when they realize the Celtics have 18 banners. Hope they enjoyed being "tied" with us for those four years. I bet they were sweating when we were up 2-1 against the Warriors. We've prolonged their inevitable.

Anyways we need to gain some ground on the banner counts. They had 14 before they won that one against Orlando in 09.

[Kernewek]

Even Kendrick Perkins would think twice before trying to defend this take.

[Phantom255x]

Even Kendrick Perkins would think twice before trying to defend this take.

Speaking of Perkins, notice how he wasn't at the Parade and it seems like none of the Celtics organization has tried to contact him or anything. Scal even said the C's "open door policy" with current and past players apparently doesn't apply to Perkins, probably because of all the nonsense and hate he spouts towards Boston and the players.

Good. Screw that guy. He can continue being a shill at ESPN.

[SHAQATTACK]

   Laker Suck and so do their fans

That?s all.

[KeepBigAl]

If the Lakers had changed their mascot to something actually appropriate for LA, we would not even be having this discussion and it would be considered 12.

The LA Lakers have 12 - any mention of 17 anoints them as the Fakers.

[Roy H.]

I'm curious, how far does a franchise have to move before the titles don't follow?

Like, the Nets moved from NJ to Long Island to NJ to Brooklyn.  They've played in 4 cities in NJ and 4 in NY.  Their move from Newark to Brooklyn was about 13 miles.

Same franchise?

I assume the Dodgers and baseball Giants don't get to count their prior titles in Brooklyn / NYC?

[Neurotic Guy]

It?s truly ridiculous to argue that the Lakers franchise championships shouldn?t count.  We all know that the consensus is that the Minny Lakers championships count. Nothing will change that.  You can call it 18-12 if you want, but that doesn?t change reality.  The bubble championship also counts.  What the Cs need to do is keep on winning championships.

And if Jason or Jaylen ever go to LAL, they will be (in a basketball sense) dead to me.

[Neurotic Guy]

What do you all think?   If JT wins a couple here and then signs with LAL and wins there (or not), does his number get retired?

I am an adamant no to that.  But my guess is that zero goes to the rafters.

[SparzWizard]

What do you all think?   If JT wins a couple here and then signs with LAL and wins there (or not), does his number get retired?

I am an adamant no to that.  But my guess is that zero goes to the rafters.

Jayson is more likely to go to LAL than Jaylen since he's a big Kobe homer.

But personally, no, since you're playing for our franchise's historic rival. Rondo should not get 9 retired, Ray should not get 20 retired. Done deal.

[KeepBigAl]

It's truly ridiculous to argue that the Lakers franchise championships shouldn?t count. 


I assume the Dodgers and baseball Giants don't get to count their prior titles in Brooklyn / NYC?

Fandom is location-based - not ownership-based. It is weak for one city to lay claim to another city/fan base's titles.  Does Minny care when the Lakers win titles in LA? Do the Lakers bring parades to Minny?  The LA Lakers have 12 titles....It is obviously true that the franchise has won 17, but you are missing the point.  It is ridiculous for a fan in LA to say their team has won 17 (b/c they simply haven't).

...and Brooklyn Dodgers fans hate the LA Dodgers and do not view them as the same team.

[86MaxwellSmart]

What's worse is my Lakers friend claiming they have 18, because they won the in season tourney ....ridiculous.

[jambr380]

I'm curious, how far does a franchise have to move before the titles don't follow?

Like, the Nets moved from NJ to Long Island to NJ to Brooklyn.  They've played in 4 cities in NJ and 4 in NY.  Their move from Newark to Brooklyn was about 13 miles.

Same franchise?

I assume the Dodgers and baseball Giants don't get to count their prior titles in Brooklyn / NYC?

That is all the same region, so it makes sense that the Nets should share a history, even though they technically crossed state lines.

I'd even argue that if a team moved from say Tampa Bay to Orlando that it should work the same way. Basically, if you were a fan of a team and you can still comfortably drive to see them. And there's no new replacement, then it is still the region's team.

I realize this goes against one of my arguments that the fans partially own the team (due to funding stadiums), but everything else falls in place. If the Lakers called themselves the Movie Stars and Minneapolis reclaimed the name Lakers name, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It happened with Charlotte and it's going to happen with Seattle. It's ridiculous that LA has the Lakers and Utah has the Jazz. Franchises should be forced to change names if they relocate. Even if you do try to claim a former city's history (like the Royals/Kings), it's just a slap in the face to the city the team left to keep their name.

[Roy H.]

I'm curious, how far does a franchise have to move before the titles don't follow?

Like, the Nets moved from NJ to Long Island to NJ to Brooklyn.  They've played in 4 cities in NJ and 4 in NY.  Their move from Newark to Brooklyn was about 13 miles.

Same franchise?

I assume the Dodgers and baseball Giants don't get to count their prior titles in Brooklyn / NYC?

That is all the same region, so it makes sense that the Nets should share a history, even though they technically crossed state lines.

I'd even argue that if a team moved from say Tampa Bay to Orlando that it should work the same way. Basically, if you were a fan of a team and you can still comfortably drive to see them. And there's no new replacement, then it is still the region's team.

I realize this goes against one of my arguments that the fans partially own the team (due to funding stadiums), but everything else falls in place. If the Lakers called themselves the Movie Stars and Minneapolis reclaimed the name Lakers name, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It happened with Charlotte and it's going to happen with Seattle. It's ridiculous that LA has the Lakers and Utah has the Jazz. Franchises should be forced to change names if they relocate. Even if you do try to claim a former city's history (like the Royals/Kings), it's just a slap in the face to the city the team left to keep their name.

I don't see it that way.  Look at the Boston Braves.  A generation of fans followed that team after they left town. 

Or, more recently, Oakland, LA, and LV have all claimed the Raiders.  It's weird to consider them a different team.

If the Celtics packed the team up tomorrow and moved to Montana, I'd still be a fan.  Same team, same players, same loyalty.

[KGs Knee]

It?s truly ridiculous to argue that the Lakers franchise championships shouldn?t count.  We all know that the consensus is that the Minny Lakers championships count. Nothing will change that.  You can call it 18-12 if you want, but that doesn?t change reality.  The bubble championship also counts.  What the Cs need to do is keep on winning championships.

And if Jason or Jaylen ever go to LAL, they will be (in a basketball sense) dead to me.

Agreed. The Lakers have 17 titles. It doesn't matter that 5 of them were won in Minny. Lakers fans root for a franchise that owns 17 titles.

Titles belong to franchises, not cities. If the Celtics ever move away from Boston they will be dead to me and I will not even acknowledge them. Sure, I'll still hold all my memories fondly, but the franchise will be dead to me. Let those new fans have it.

I don't quite agree with the part about the Jays, I suppose it depends on the context of how they ended up in LA. Rondo won a title with the Lakers but I still love Rondo for his time with the Celtics (he kinda sucks as person though). Ray Allen, OTOH, screw him.

[Neurotic Guy]

It?s truly ridiculous to argue that the Lakers franchise championships shouldn?t count.  We all know that the consensus is that the Minny Lakers championships count. Nothing will change that.  You can call it 18-12 if you want, but that doesn?t change reality.  The bubble championship also counts.  What the Cs need to do is keep on winning championships.

And if Jason or Jaylen ever go to LAL, they will be (in a basketball sense) dead to me.

Agreed. The Lakers have 17 titles. It doesn't matter that 5 of them were won in Minny. Lakers fans root for a franchise that owns 17 titles.

Titles belong to franchises, not cities. If the Celtics ever move away from Boston they will be dead to me and I will not even acknowledge them. Sure, I'll still hold all my memories fondly, but the franchise will be dead to me. Let those new fans have it.

I don't quite agree with the part about the Jays, I suppose it depends on the context of how they ended up in LA. Rondo won a title with the Lakers but I still love Rondo for his time with the Celtics (he kinda sucks as person though). Ray Allen, OTOH, screw him.

Celtics who end up winning in LA are the worst - especially if they chose to championship chase with LAL.   Rondo became a Laker after being a Celtic. You don?t do that.