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Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2024, 06:24:25 PM »

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I can honestly say that I did not fall into the traps that many other fans did.  I continued to believe in Brown and believed he could play just fine with Tatum (although I may have traded him for Durant back when that was being rumored).  I gave Mazzulla a mulligan for last season due to the circumstances but was hopeful on him and did not believe that he would be the reason for us not winning a title.  And I never bought into the narrative that the owner's are cheap.  Those were the most common "fan traps" and I was able to avoid them.

I did think we overpaid for White (although I liked the player).  Same for Holiday.  I was never critical of the trade, more neutral, I was in on Holiday from the start, just seemed like a lot to give up until both Brogdon and Williams broke down.

The final thing is one that is hard to define conclusively.  I never bought into the narrative that Smart was somehow bad for the team.  That he was impacting the development or the leadership of the J's.  I loved getting Porzingis and 2-firsts for Smart, but I am not down on Smart.  Not clear who is right on the negative Smart impact narrative.  I still see it as we won the title due to the addition of Holiday and Porzingis, not due to the subtraction of Smart.  That debate I guess will rage on.

It's not just the subtraction of Smart it's the massive upgrade to Jrue. Jrue fills in all the gaps and Smart kind of just did what he wanted to do. Some of that was good and some not.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2024, 06:38:20 PM »

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I can honestly say that I did not fall into the traps that many other fans did.  I continued to believe in Brown and believed he could play just fine with Tatum (although I may have traded him for Durant back when that was being rumored).  I gave Mazzulla a mulligan for last season due to the circumstances but was hopeful on him and did not believe that he would be the reason for us not winning a title.  And I never bought into the narrative that the owner's are cheap.  Those were the most common "fan traps" and I was able to avoid them.

I did think we overpaid for White (although I liked the player).  Same for Holiday.  I was never critical of the trade, more neutral, I was in on Holiday from the start, just seemed like a lot to give up until both Brogdon and Williams broke down.

The final thing is one that is hard to define conclusively.  I never bought into the narrative that Smart was somehow bad for the team.  That he was impacting the development or the leadership of the J's.  I loved getting Porzingis and 2-firsts for Smart, but I am not down on Smart.  Not clear who is right on the negative Smart impact narrative.  I still see it as we won the title due to the addition of Holiday and Porzingis, not due to the subtraction of Smart.  That debate I guess will rage on.

It's not just the subtraction of Smart it's the massive upgrade to Jrue. Jrue fills in all the gaps and Smart kind of just did what he wanted to do. Some of that was good and some not.

Moreover Jrue doesn?t fly off the handle thinking he is knock down three point expert with heat checks. Smart just never was smart about shot selection.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2024, 06:42:56 PM »

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I thought that we would have no killer instinct without Marcus.

I feel bad for him. He bled green and left it all on the court.

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I kinda can?t believe the Marcus reminiscing im seeing/hearing.

The team needed to move on from him to take this step, sorry
I can't believe the people who think Brad WANTED to trade Marcus as part of some plan of addition by subtraction. You can bet, if Brad could have found a way to keep Marcus and still get KP and Jrue, he would have.

Smart would've wanted to start but White and Jrue are both way better players. The team fit together without Smart. I hope Smart has a good year with the Grizz but I was happy he was gone. Smart being the heart of the team is what made us as inconsistent as he was...

The Jays not having yet grown up is what made us as inconsistent as we were. Can we please stop blaming all of our past issues on Smart? He was much more a positive than a negative. The goal wasn't to trade Smart, it was to trade Brogdon. Either in the KP deal or another deal. He won 6moty, but he was not happy in Boston.

It's not like we wouldn't have been in the same position with Smart on the team instead of KP. I absolutely love KP, but he missed most of the playoffs and we still decimated the competition. Contrary to a now commonly held belief, it's not like Smart would have sabotaged the team. We overachieved with him for years on this team.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2024, 06:48:11 PM »

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Carsen Edwards.

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This season I don?t think I was wrong or right.  No real predictions.  Liked everyone.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2024, 07:39:04 PM »

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I thought they were going to sweep the Mavs. I didn't see Game 4 coming.

I thought that Jayson Tatum was going to take over the playoffs at the expense of the other guys with more fadeaways. His shooting went flat and he was a great facilitator.

I thought that Denver was going to the Finals, and we would have a 7 game battle. I was nervous about Jokic winning another.
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Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2024, 08:09:29 PM »

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I was wrong that I thought they?d win the in-season tournament.  I also completely forgot the IST existed until I thought about what I was wrong about for the Celtics.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2024, 08:19:10 PM »

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Wrong about:

- Joe in the playoffs.  I had concerns about his ability to adapt mid-game, and I sometimes questioned his substitution patterns.  Glad I was proven wrong on this one.
- Luke Kornet.  Thought he was too much of a defensive liability.  Instead he carved out a consistent role and was a tremendous help in the regular season, playing big minutes and holding down the fort while KP or Al missed games.
- Celtics beating Dallas in 6.  They obviously won in 5.

Correct about:

- Celtics being the favorites to win the title
- Being able to win a title with Jaylen Brown as your 2nd best player
- Jrue Holiday being the missing piece for a championship

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2024, 08:29:55 PM »

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Mainly Mazz, I didn't think they could win with him, the fact that he won with Tatum not shooting well and Zinger hurt was impressive.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2024, 06:34:56 AM »

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I guess I was also wrong about JT...I didn't think he would be willing to defer and turn into a playmaker to the extent he did. Twice in the Finals he had 10+ assists. Rather than going 2v1 or 3v1 like he used to, he was more willing to attack the rim, use his gravity and then kick out.
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Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2024, 06:35:39 AM »

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I can honestly say that I did not fall into the traps that many other fans did.  I continued to believe in Brown and believed he could play just fine with Tatum (although I may have traded him for Durant back when that was being rumored).  I gave Mazzulla a mulligan for last season due to the circumstances but was hopeful on him and did not believe that he would be the reason for us not winning a title.  And I never bought into the narrative that the owner's are cheap.  Those were the most common "fan traps" and I was able to avoid them.

I did think we overpaid for White (although I liked the player).  Same for Holiday.  I was never critical of the trade, more neutral, I was in on Holiday from the start, just seemed like a lot to give up until both Brogdon and Williams broke down.

The final thing is one that is hard to define conclusively.  I never bought into the narrative that Smart was somehow bad for the team.  That he was impacting the development or the leadership of the J's.  I loved getting Porzingis and 2-firsts for Smart, but I am not down on Smart.  Not clear who is right on the negative Smart impact narrative.  I still see it as we won the title due to the addition of Holiday and Porzingis, not due to the subtraction of Smart.  That debate I guess will rage on.

It's not just the subtraction of Smart it's the massive upgrade to Jrue. Jrue fills in all the gaps and Smart kind of just did what he wanted to do. Some of that was good and some not.

Moreover Jrue doesn?t fly off the handle thinking he is knock down three point expert with heat checks. Smart just never was smart about shot selection.

I also helps that Jrue is a much better 3 point shooter than Smartacus...but I get it on the heat checks  :angel:

I have a lot of love for Smartacus, in his way he contributed to getting us to a position where we were able to win a championship, culminating in his being valued enough as a trade piece to get us KP in a three way trade.
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Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2024, 06:55:49 AM »

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I can honestly say that I did not fall into the traps that many other fans did.  I continued to believe in Brown and believed he could play just fine with Tatum (although I may have traded him for Durant back when that was being rumored).  I gave Mazzulla a mulligan for last season due to the circumstances but was hopeful on him and did not believe that he would be the reason for us not winning a title.  And I never bought into the narrative that the owner's are cheap.  Those were the most common "fan traps" and I was able to avoid them.

I did think we overpaid for White (although I liked the player).  Same for Holiday.  I was never critical of the trade, more neutral, I was in on Holiday from the start, just seemed like a lot to give up until both Brogdon and Williams broke down.

The final thing is one that is hard to define conclusively.  I never bought into the narrative that Smart was somehow bad for the team.  That he was impacting the development or the leadership of the J's.  I loved getting Porzingis and 2-firsts for Smart, but I am not down on Smart.  Not clear who is right on the negative Smart impact narrative.  I still see it as we won the title due to the addition of Holiday and Porzingis, not due to the subtraction of Smart.  That debate I guess will rage on.

It's not just the subtraction of Smart it's the massive upgrade to Jrue. Jrue fills in all the gaps and Smart kind of just did what he wanted to do. Some of that was good and some not.

Moreover Jrue doesn?t fly off the handle thinking he is knock down three point expert with heat checks. Smart just never was smart about shot selection.

I also helps that Jrue is a much better 3 point shooter than Smartacus...but I get it on the heat checks  :angel:

I have a lot of love for Smartacus, in his way he contributed to getting us to a position where we were able to win a championship, culminating in his being valued enough as a trade piece to get us KP in a three way trade.

I also feel that Smart leaving honestly opened up the door for Brown/tatum (and especially brown as we saw this playoff run) to become the leaders of this team.

I love smart, don't get me wrong and I was sad to see him traded. But at times I thought he viewed himself as the "leader" of the team. and brown/tatum deferred since he was the longest tenured player. We also saw Smart undermine mazzulla several times during last years playoff run....Jrue coming into a team already competing was more willing to play his "role" whatever that may be.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2024, 07:08:29 AM »

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I guess I was also wrong about JT...I didn't think he would be willing to defer and turn into a playmaker to the extent he did. Twice in the Finals he had 10+ assists. Rather than going 2v1 or 3v1 like he used to, he was more willing to attack the rim, use his gravity and then kick out.

I feel like Brown/Tatum were just ready to win and do whatever it takes to win. They were tired of losing/coming up short. in a way they finally were at the point where Pierce/Garnett/Allen were when they came here.

only difference is those guys were in their 30's and Tatum/brown are just entering their prime having learned what it takes to win.

Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2024, 08:38:42 AM »

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I can honestly say that I did not fall into the traps that many other fans did.  I continued to believe in Brown and believed he could play just fine with Tatum (although I may have traded him for Durant back when that was being rumored).  I gave Mazzulla a mulligan for last season due to the circumstances but was hopeful on him and did not believe that he would be the reason for us not winning a title.  And I never bought into the narrative that the owner's are cheap.  Those were the most common "fan traps" and I was able to avoid them.

I did think we overpaid for White (although I liked the player).  Same for Holiday.  I was never critical of the trade, more neutral, I was in on Holiday from the start, just seemed like a lot to give up until both Brogdon and Williams broke down.

The final thing is one that is hard to define conclusively.  I never bought into the narrative that Smart was somehow bad for the team.  That he was impacting the development or the leadership of the J's.  I loved getting Porzingis and 2-firsts for Smart, but I am not down on Smart.  Not clear who is right on the negative Smart impact narrative.  I still see it as we won the title due to the addition of Holiday and Porzingis, not due to the subtraction of Smart.  That debate I guess will rage on.

It's not just the subtraction of Smart it's the massive upgrade to Jrue. Jrue fills in all the gaps and Smart kind of just did what he wanted to do. Some of that was good and some not.

Moreover Jrue doesn?t fly off the handle thinking he is knock down three point expert with heat checks. Smart just never was smart about shot selection.

I also helps that Jrue is a much better 3 point shooter than Smartacus...but I get it on the heat checks  :angel:

I have a lot of love for Smartacus, in his way he contributed to getting us to a position where we were able to win a championship, culminating in his being valued enough as a trade piece to get us KP in a three way trade.

I also feel that Smart leaving honestly opened up the door for Brown/tatum (and especially brown as we saw this playoff run) to become the leaders of this team.

I love smart, don't get me wrong and I was sad to see him traded. But at times I thought he viewed himself as the "leader" of the team. and brown/tatum deferred since he was the longest tenured player. We also saw Smart undermine mazzulla several times during last years playoff run....Jrue coming into a team already competing was more willing to play his "role" whatever that may be.

This is what I am getting at.  We had Smart, Brogdon, and Williams and traded them and got back Porzingis and Holiday.  You lose some talent/production (all of which ended up injured) and you bring in talent/production.  That is part of any trade.  It was never a trade of Smart for Holiday.  Smart got us Porzingis and 2 picks, I do that trade every day.

But there is this narrative (as explained by cman88) that Smart was blocking Tatum and Brown, that he was a problem for the team.  That is what is traditionally meant when you say "addition by subtraction".  That you are making the team better by subtracting a locker room problem or some other problem.  I never bought that in the case of Smart.  Smart had his warts, but he was a core part of a team that made the finals.  MEM gave up a lot to bring him in.

Keep in mind that BOS was going to trade Brogdon for Porzingis.  They preferred to keep Smart.  The LAC trade was plan A.  They traded Marcus to get Porzingis and two firsts, it had nothing to do with Jrue Holiday (although one of the picks was part of the deal).  I don't think the Celtics ever viewed Smart as a problem they had to get rid of.  They had a surplus of combo guards and needed more size.  Smart ended up being hurt all season so it turned out well for BOS.  But I don't buy the narrative that because Smart was a certain presence in the locker room or whatever, that it was detracting from the team or from Tatum and Brown specifically.


Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2024, 08:59:47 AM »

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Re: So what were you wrong about this season?
« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2024, 09:54:31 AM »

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Mazzulla ball, I finally turned my life over to it in the middle of the season and it was smooth sailing emotionally afterwards. Danny Ainge was right, he is a better coach than Udoka. They never lost their defensive identity and gained a really smart offensive coach to go along with it. These guys love him and that?s half the battle in today?s league.