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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1305 on: June 18, 2024, 02:27:22 AM »

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https://youtu.be/Oz-MF8k-IpU?si=hahypOMVhWu3tP4o

This is a great interview by Joe. JT screaming in the background also shows how tight their bond is. I love this team!

Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1306 on: June 18, 2024, 02:28:43 AM »

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enjoy this guys

there are no guarantees

look how long it took to win it again.

we need to strike while the iron is hot and get this dynasty going.

it will be tough next year

run it back and get another big who can shoot threes

Thankfully we got the whole offseason to enjoy it!!!!

Just think how we felt in 2022 and 2023...tonight makes all that pain worthwhile  :police:
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1307 on: June 18, 2024, 02:28:54 AM »

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Jaylens year over year improvement was absolutely insane.

Last year he was a streaky scorer that offered nothing if his shot was falling and couldn?t handle on ball pressure.

This year he was an elite two way wing and someone you actually wanted to have the ball at the end of the game. 

His commitment on defense and maturity on offense were just as big as adding KP or Jrue

Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1308 on: June 18, 2024, 02:29:40 AM »

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I know we had a couple people at the game tonight, did any of you happen to catch what JB said in his FMVP acceptance? ABC cut audio twice for a few seconds for what I'm assuming was some curse words from Jaylen lol

Here's the uncensored version

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1digzdw/jaylen_browns_first_remarks_accepting_the_finals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1309 on: June 18, 2024, 02:36:08 AM »

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Jaylens year over year improvement was absolutely insane.

Last year he was a streaky scorer that offered nothing if his shot was falling and couldn?t handle on ball pressure.

This year he was an elite two way wing and someone you actually wanted to have the ball at the end of the game. 

His commitment on defense and maturity on offense were just as big as adding KP or Jrue

Some weird stats aggregator should compare how many left hand turnovers in this year's playoffs compared with last year.
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1310 on: June 18, 2024, 02:49:06 AM »

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https://youtu.be/Oz-MF8k-IpU?si=hahypOMVhWu3tP4o

This is a great interview by Joe. JT screaming in the background also shows how tight their bond is. I love this team!

I've mentioned this before in the Fire Joe thread. This is a lot of the stuff people don't see. The focus has been largely on his game management, but to be fair it's easier to focus on that because a) it's the part that we can see; and b) we can clearly make a determination on whether it worked or not for any given game. The "soft" stuff, the management stuff, it's harder to evaluate because we don't see much of what happens behind closed doors, and it's hard to parse out Joe's contribution from just a veteran team knowing what to do.

He's right in that you need the players to be aligned, to want the same things, to be willing to sacrifice, and then the coach's job basically becomes that of a facilitator to support the team in whatever it needs, whether it's setting up the right practices, training for the right things, using the right coverages and schemes that complement the way the team wants to play and having the right support staff in place. In a way his job is easier because he doesn't really have to reinvent the wheel, there's guiding principles that have been instilled in the team by first Brad then Ime, which has become ingrained in the team's DNA. They want to be a perimeter shooting team that can defend by switching every screen, benefit from spacing and using that spacing to drive the ball and kick out from the paint multiple times until the other team's rotation cracks.

When I was doing my MBA we learned about the Six Styles of Leadership by Harvard Business School's Daniel Goleman:

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Coercive leadership style, which entails demanding immediate compliance.
Authoritative leadership style, which is about mobilizing people toward a vision.
Pacesetting leadership style, which involves expecting excellence and self-direction.
Affiliative leadership style, which centers around building emotional bonds.
Democratic leadership style, which involves creating consensus.
Coaching leadership style, which focuses on developing people for the future.

https://hbr.org/2024/04/6-common-leadership-styles-and-how-to-decide-which-to-use-when

Your "traditional" coaches are probably use the coercive/authoritative styles, guys like Pop or Thibs, it's their way or the highway. Crack the whip. I feel like Joe's is more affiliative/coaching in that he's really trying to build relationships with players to get buy in, and then he's working with them to guide them rrather than leading them by the nose.

Obviously the best leaders can adapt styles depending on the situation...during 9/11 Rudy Giuliani adopted a coercive leadership style in the immediate aftermath because he had to, it was an emergency and there was no time to build consensus or do coaching...immediate decisions need to be made. I feel like last year Joe probably deferred to the players a little too much, he didn't want to call timeouts because he wanted them to feel he trusted them to dig themselves out of holes. This year he's been a lot better at adapting, he's not afraid to throw his weight around because he's already built his credibility with the players. It will be interesting to see his development over the next season (since it looks like he's not going to be fired  :angel: )
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1311 on: June 18, 2024, 03:00:57 AM »

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I know we had a couple people at the game tonight, did any of you happen to catch what JB said in his FMVP acceptance? ABC cut audio twice for a few seconds for what I'm assuming was some curse words from Jaylen lol

Here's the uncensored version

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1digzdw/jaylen_browns_first_remarks_accepting_the_finals/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Jaylen must have rehearsed this speech with Garnett.
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1312 on: June 18, 2024, 03:05:34 AM »

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More post-game gibberish from Kyrie after the loss:

"So, I see an opportunity for us to really build our future in a positive manner where this is almost like a regular thing for us, and we're competing for championships. You know, I think from a spiritual standpoint, I think I enjoyed this journey more than any other season, just because of the redemption arc and being able to learn as much as I did about myself and my teammates and the organization and the people that I'm around."

redemption arc ?
Does he really think people take him seriously ?
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1313 on: June 18, 2024, 03:10:24 AM »

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Zinger talking to Scal and Eddie saying that he wasn't really fit but he tried to give his best, tried to hide it because they were attacking him but he wanted to help the team.

KP absolutely helped on D blocking shots and scoring some

Not exactly the same, but his entry into the game reminded me a little of Willis Reed vs Lakers, game 7, 1970.
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1314 on: June 18, 2024, 03:18:30 AM »

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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1315 on: June 18, 2024, 03:19:10 AM »

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More post-game gibberish from Kyrie after the loss:

"So, I see an opportunity for us to really build our future in a positive manner where this is almost like a regular thing for us, and we're competing for championships. You know, I think from a spiritual standpoint, I think I enjoyed this journey more than any other season, just because of the redemption arc and being able to learn as much as I did about myself and my teammates and the organization and the people that I'm around."

redemption arc ?
Does he really think people take him seriously ?

Can't believe we had to listen to that after every game  :angel:
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Re: Mavericks (1-3) at Celtics (3-1) NBA Finals Game 5 6/17/24
« Reply #1316 on: June 18, 2024, 03:59:26 AM »

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The Celtics finished 80-21. Only 14 teams in NBA history have had 80 or more wins in a season. Very proud of this team!

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« Reply #1317 on: June 18, 2024, 05:40:43 AM »

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Can?t believe they?re booing Jrue

I think they?re saying JRUEEEEEE

Not boo


Let?s not make excuses. Boston fans were just as bad to Kevin Youklis and Teddy Bruschi. And don?t get me started on the Springsteen concert I went to

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« Reply #1318 on: June 18, 2024, 05:41:41 AM »

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Can?t believe they?re booing Jrue

I think they?re saying JRUEEEEEE

Not boo


Let?s not make excuses. Boston fans were just as bad to Kevin Youklis and Teddy Bruschi. And don?t get me started on the Springsteen concert I went to

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« Reply #1319 on: June 18, 2024, 05:42:39 AM »

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Can?t believe they?re booing Jrue

I think they?re saying JRUEEEEEE

Not boo


Let?s not make excuses. Boston fans were just as bad to Kevin Youklis and Teddy Bruschi. And don?t get me started on the Springsteen concert I went to
They're saying JRUEEEE-URNS.
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