NFL 2023-24 Off-Season

[Phantom255x]

McCarthy seems to be rising on these mock drafts if people pay attention to them. I've seen about 3 of them today that have him in the Top-15 (two in the Top-10). I personally don't see it and it's probably teams being desperate for a QB that's not in the Top-4 for Williams/Daniels/Maye, but I'm obviously no scout or anything.

I have no issue with McCarthy rising. However, I'm still baffled with Daniels. He is 23, played 5 years in college, and in his senior year, had two of the best receivers in the country.

All I hear about Penix and Nix is their age and number of years in college being a negative. Remember the negative talk about Mac Jones coming out? He only got those numbers because he played with elite receivers. All the signs are there to not take Daniels, yet no one wants to admit it.

It's a fair concern. Nabers is a projected Top-6 pick and even Thomas Jr. is projected to be a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. If the Commanders take Daniels at 2, then I would take Drake Maye at 3 and run. I don't think people realize the amount of movement that happened around Maye including OC changes, Tez Walker being suspended for a bit, O-Line being changed a lot due to previous drafts/injuries, etc. He also didn't have the elite weapons guys like Penix and Daniels had. Despite that he did pretty well and he has the size + build similar to Herbert, or even Josh Allen (not that I project he will be Josh Allen of course, but the guy can still scramble a bit and throw bombs). I hope Washington takes the hype on Jayden Daniels and takes him, so Maye can fall to New England. That's my ideal scenario.

[Goldstar88]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

[Moranis]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

the  huge cap raise helped woth that. Gave the Bengals more wiggle room

[Phantom255x]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

And Phantom255x has received depression from reading it 

[Goldstar88]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

And Phantom255x has received depression from reading it 

Pittman will likely be tagged as well.

[Phantom255x]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

And Phantom255x has received depression from reading it 

Pittman will likely be tagged as well.

Depression x2.

[green_bballers13]

Tee Higgins has received the franchise tag.

And Phantom255x has received depression from reading it 

Pittman will likely be tagged as well.

Depression x2.

No tears over here. Those guys are good possession receivers, but neither are elite. The Patriots aren't going to be fixed overnight. I'd spend the money in the trenches and draft position players, especially with a trade down. This is a big draft for Eliot Wolf & co.

[johnnygreen]

McCarthy seems to be rising on these mock drafts if people pay attention to them. I've seen about 3 of them today that have him in the Top-15 (two in the Top-10). I personally don't see it and it's probably teams being desperate for a QB that's not in the Top-4 for Williams/Daniels/Maye, but I'm obviously no scout or anything.

What if the Patriots talent evaluation determines there isn't that much of a gap between Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Would it make sense to trade the #3 pick for 3 first round picks, with one of them being in the top 15 in this year's draft. Then turning around and drafting McCarthy with that 2024 first.

[green_bballers13]

McCarthy seems to be rising on these mock drafts if people pay attention to them. I've seen about 3 of them today that have him in the Top-15 (two in the Top-10). I personally don't see it and it's probably teams being desperate for a QB that's not in the Top-4 for Williams/Daniels/Maye, but I'm obviously no scout or anything.

What if the Patriots talent evaluation determines there isn't that much of a gap between Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Would it make sense to trade the #3 pick for 3 first round picks, with one of them being in the top 15 in this year's draft. Then turning around and drafting McCarthy with that 2024 first.

I like McCarthy. He's fast, appears to be accurate, and won a championship. Michigan ran the ball a ton, so he wasn't ever going to get Caleb's volume stats. I'd be down for this scenario.

[johnnygreen]

McCarthy seems to be rising on these mock drafts if people pay attention to them. I've seen about 3 of them today that have him in the Top-15 (two in the Top-10). I personally don't see it and it's probably teams being desperate for a QB that's not in the Top-4 for Williams/Daniels/Maye, but I'm obviously no scout or anything.

What if the Patriots talent evaluation determines there isn't that much of a gap between Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Would it make sense to trade the #3 pick for 3 first round picks, with one of them being in the top 15 in this year's draft. Then turning around and drafting McCarthy with that 2024 first.

I like McCarthy. He's fast, appears to be accurate, and won a championship. Michigan ran the ball a ton, so he wasn't ever going to get Caleb's volume stats. I'd be down for this scenario.

To me, this would make sense with Elliot Wolf as the GM, who has the Green Bay Packets background of player development. If you draft one of the top 3 QB's with the 3rd pick, the exception would be that player would play right away. However, if you trade down in the above scenario, I believe you could get away with sitting McCarthy and letting him develop ala Aaron Roger's and Jordan Love.

[Goldstar88]

@NickCRadio
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Take this for what it's worth: Both @RapSheet & @MikeGarafolo said on the NFL Network that Caleb Williams is NOT the consensus #1 QB. Garafolo mentioned there are teams, plural, that think Jayden Daniels is #1. #Patriots

On “The Insiders” segment of NFL Network, Ian Rapoport revealed that Williams doesn’t hold the unanimous top spot on every team’s draft board.

“It does not feel like it’s a consensus that Caleb Williams is the No. 1 overall pick. It doesn’t feel like every team is saying, ‘This is definitely my No. 1 guy.’ But a lot of teams [are saying he’s their No. 1 quarterback].”

[green_bballers13]

@NickCRadio
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Take this for what it's worth: Both @RapSheet & @MikeGarafolo said on the NFL Network that Caleb Williams is NOT the consensus #1 QB. Garafolo mentioned there are teams, plural, that think Jayden Daniels is #1. #Patriots

On “The Insiders” segment of NFL Network, Ian Rapoport revealed that Williams doesn’t hold the unanimous top spot on every team’s draft board.

“It does not feel like it’s a consensus that Caleb Williams is the No. 1 overall pick. It doesn’t feel like every team is saying, ‘This is definitely my No. 1 guy.’ But a lot of teams [are saying he’s their No. 1 quarterback].”

That's not completely surprising. It's hard to get consensus on anything. There are always people that want to zig while others zag, and we can't test whether or not these teams are telling the truth about their draft boards.

I'm not sure if many of the teams have already met with the top QBs. I would have to think it is imperative to interview the players before making a decision. Game tape and combine results will only tell you so much.

At the QB position, I would take intangibles like hard work over pure talent 10/10 times.

[Vermont Green]

McCarthy seems to be rising on these mock drafts if people pay attention to them. I've seen about 3 of them today that have him in the Top-15 (two in the Top-10). I personally don't see it and it's probably teams being desperate for a QB that's not in the Top-4 for Williams/Daniels/Maye, but I'm obviously no scout or anything.

What if the Patriots talent evaluation determines there isn't that much of a gap between Maye, Daniels and McCarthy. Would it make sense to trade the #3 pick for 3 first round picks, with one of them being in the top 15 in this year's draft. Then turning around and drafting McCarthy with that 2024 first.

If you can get a QB you like while also compiling additional draft picks, that is definitely win win.  But I have no idea what kind of potential to expect from McCarthy, he may not be any better than Mac Jones.  The knocks on him are that he is skinny (he is young so could fill out), he is a one speed thrower, doesn't often progress past the first read, bla bla bla.  So really, who knows. 

I did not see anything special from him when I watched him play (which wasn't all that much), no different than Penix or Nix or even Williams (I don't recall seeing either Maye or Daniels play).  Even the actual scouts whiff on QB evaluations all the time.  Williams was the consensus can't miss top prospect for essentially forever, now you are hearing "not so fast" (which could be nothing more than a head fake).

If we do trade the #3, and depending on who we trade with, the Pats could end up getting another high pick next season.  Will there be better QBs next draft?  Maybe just pick up some vet to get by with?  I am not confident that Mac can turn it around, at least in NE, but there is a chance with a new coach, new system.

So many options!!!!

[Moranis]

The risk on trading back is you end up with no QB. It still might make the most sense, but if you like Daniels, Maye, and/or McCarthy then you stay at 3 and draft the one you like the best.

[Neurotic Guy]

The risk on trading back is you end up with no QB. It still might make the most sense, but if you like Daniels, Maye, and/or McCarthy then you stay at 3 and draft the one you like the best.

At best this is a three year build.  At some point you need a QB. If this is the time to strike, you strike. If unsure, you trade and take a flyer on a qb later and hope you’re in position to fill the position in the next couple of years.