Jaylen Brown appreciation thread

[Atzar]

I'm not sure Murray is even a better scorer than Brown.  I feel like the perception of Murray differs from reality a little.  Brown averaged more points per game in the regular season on equivalent eFG%.  Brown has raised his game in the playoffs while Murray had a terrible run.  I acknowledge that Murray has been a playoff performer in the past but that didn't happen this season except for two shots in the first round.

At this point in time, Brown clears Murray overall pretty easily imo.

[Vermont Green]

I'm not sure Murray is even a better scorer than Brown.  I feel like the perception of Murray differs from reality a little.  Brown averaged more points per game in the regular season on equivalent eFG%.  Brown has raised his game in the playoffs while Murray had a terrible run.  I acknowledge that Murray has been a playoff performer in the past but that didn't happen this season except for two shots in the first round.

At this point in time, Brown clears Murray overall pretty easily imo.

I can't say you are wrong, but my point was that when Murray is at his best, as in the playoff run last season, he is a better shooter/scorer than Brown.  I think to be at his best, he needs to have perfect health, which seems like is mostly never.  Fully healthy Murray and fully healthy Brown are close, but if you add in durability as a consideration, Brown clearly wins.

If you ask me, who would you rather sign to a big money long term contract, I take Brown as I expect him to be more healthy more often.  But if DEN can figure out a way to keep him healthy, Murray is probably a little more valuable and impactful than Brown (at least offensively).  Even in that case, the difference isn't much and chance of that happening is low.

[Roy H.]

I'm not sure Murray is even a better scorer than Brown.  I feel like the perception of Murray differs from reality a little.  Brown averaged more points per game in the regular season on equivalent eFG%.  Brown has raised his game in the playoffs while Murray had a terrible run.  I acknowledge that Murray has been a playoff performer in the past but that didn't happen this season except for two shots in the first round.

At this point in time, Brown clears Murray overall pretty easily imo.

I can't say you are wrong, but my point was that when Murray is at his best, as in the playoff run last season, he is a better shooter/scorer than Brown.  I think to be at his best, he needs to have perfect health, which seems like is mostly never.  Fully healthy Murray and fully healthy Brown are close, but if you add in durability as a consideration, Brown clearly wins.

If you ask me, who would you rather sign to a big money long term contract, I take Brown as I expect him to be more healthy more often.  But if DEN can figure out a way to keep him healthy, Murray is probably a little more valuable and impactful than Brown (at least offensively).  Even in that case, the difference isn't much and chance of that happening is low.

For whatever it's worth, to date JB has been a better shooter / scorer this year than Murray was last season.

[Moranis]

I'm not sure Murray is even a better scorer than Brown.  I feel like the perception of Murray differs from reality a little.  Brown averaged more points per game in the regular season on equivalent eFG%.  Brown has raised his game in the playoffs while Murray had a terrible run.  I acknowledge that Murray has been a playoff performer in the past but that didn't happen this season except for two shots in the first round.

At this point in time, Brown clears Murray overall pretty easily imo.

I can't say you are wrong, but my point was that when Murray is at his best, as in the playoff run last season, he is a better shooter/scorer than Brown.  I think to be at his best, he needs to have perfect health, which seems like is mostly never.  Fully healthy Murray and fully healthy Brown are close, but if you add in durability as a consideration, Brown clearly wins.

If you ask me, who would you rather sign to a big money long term contract, I take Brown as I expect him to be more healthy more often.  But if DEN can figure out a way to keep him healthy, Murray is probably a little more valuable and impactful than Brown (at least offensively).  Even in that case, the difference isn't much and chance of that happening is low.

For whatever it's worth, to date JB has been a better shooter / scorer this year than Murray was last season.

Murray does have a slightly better TS%, has nearly double the assists, less turnovers, and the rebounds are closer than you'd expect.

[Donoghus]

Jaylen’s having a better playoffs, a better career, & the one trump card Murray has on Jaylen is about to disappear in 3-4 weeks.

[Kernewek]

Jaylen’s having a better playoffs, a better career, & the one trump card Murray has on Jaylen is about to disappear in 3-4 weeks.

Way to leak the Jokic for Tatum swap, man.

[cman88]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

[angryguy77]

Happy he won mvp. I don't want JT being just the defacto winner.

  When he said "I never win anything" it kind of made me feel bad for him. Very unexpected show of personality from him.

[keevsnick]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

But all in all I don't really care how Brown compares to Murray, Murray isn't on this team. Glad we have Brown and have greatly enjoyed watching him grow throughout his career.

[Roy H.]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

He'd be a poor man's Trae Young.

[Who]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

But all in all I don't really care how Brown compares to Murray, Murray isn't on this team. Glad we have Brown and have greatly enjoyed watching him grow throughout his career.

I do wonder about that too.

I thought Dirk did more to help his guards be effective offensively than any other big man in the league during his hayday. That is Jokic today. Jokic does so much to enable his ball-handlers. Creates so much room for them to operate. Opens the paint with his shooting, sets great screens, defenses pay him lots of attention creating additional space for the ball-handler to drive. That is before you get to the passing, to the double teams, the open shots he creates for you.

[Moranis]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

He'd be a poor man's Trae Young.

Murray is a much better shooter than Young. From 2 and 3 and has been at every stage of their careers. That wouldn't change with Murray in a bigger role. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

He'd be a poor man's Trae Young.

Murray is a much better shooter than Young. From 2 and 3 and has been at every stage of their careers. That wouldn't change with Murray in a bigger role.

It's a really weird question. I think I said on here that I thought Murray would be something like Damian Lillard when he hit his prime, but he's more like Lillard-lite. It really would be interesting to see him run a team's offense by himself. He seems to have the skills to do so, but he rarely stretches those wings.

I wanted them to pick Brown that year though. Still, can you imagine Brown next to Jokic? Brown is one of the best off-ball cutters in the NBA. He could play the Gordon dunker spot or KCP role. His efficiency would likely be even better than it is.

I'm happy with the way it turned out, and I love the extra edge Brown has this season. He rises to big occasions. He rivals Holiday as our best defender, which is really saying something. His mid-range game is becoming automatic. He's a beast in transition or delayed transition. He's been making the right reads and setting teammates up really well this season as well.

We are really lucky he's a Celtic. There are so many one-dimensional prima donnas in the NBA that are content once they get a big contract. Brown's mindset and work ethic have very few rivals in the NBA.

[gift]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Murray also gets to play with perhaps the single most impactful offensive player of our generation in Jokic. I really wonder what we'd think of Murray if he had to function in a less optimal offensive setting.

He'd be a poor man's Trae Young.

Murray is a much better shooter than Young. From 2 and 3 and has been at every stage of their careers. That wouldn't change with Murray in a bigger role.

isn't that still something that's heavily influenced by Jokic though?

[Vermont Green]

all the success tatum/brown have had together and fans here still claim the guy is a bum and doesn't contribute to winning. ridiculous.

right now hes having his best playoffs ever. between defense, passing, scoring he's a monster on the court. and has proven to be very clutch basically winning us 2 of those games down the stretch.

but somehow fans have some glorified vision of Murray because they only watch him play a handful of games per year.

Not sure if this is directed at me, I think it is at least in part.  What I said was that during the rare periods when Murray is fully healthy, that he is a better offensive player than Brown.  I also said that I would rather have Brown on the team on a big contract than Murray, due largely to durability but also due to defense and other aspects of the game.  Murray was fully healthy during the playoff run last season and he was really good.  This season and playoff run, he is back to being banged up and less productive.

There may be some that think Brown is a "bum who doesn't contribute to winning" but in general, that is not what most are arguing.  Murray is a really good player who can't stay healthy.  Brown is having a tremendous playoff run this season.  He is both a primary scorer and a "glue guy" all in one, which is rare.  Both things can be true at the same time.  Steph Curry had durability issues early on in his career too, but he figured it out.  I am not  sure if Murray will or not at this point but if he ever does put a couple of healthy seasons together, you can expect a couple of really good seasons.