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[Roy H.]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

You refuted my comment about Brown potentially having put the kibosh on the trade to MIL by telling MIL he would not extend by saying there were "reports" he was happy to go to MIL.  I referenced the "report" I based my comment on, then you said that it isn't evidence.  Then you are implying that I am wrong because you would be shocked if Brown refused that money.

None of us know any of this for sure, but I stand by my original comment that there were reports that MIL backed off of trading for Brown due to them believing he would not extend with them.  There were also reports that Brown was using back channels to tell teams he wouldn't extend with them.  Whether these reports are accurate or not, I can't say but 1 + 1 does equal Brown telling MIL he wouldn't extend with them so MIL backed off.

But you're making stuff up, right?  Saying "Milwaukee wasn't convinced that JB would sign an extension" isn't the same as "JB told Milwaukee he wouldn't sign an extension and quashed the trade".

Boy, you are really fighting this.  There was a report out that Brown and/or his camp was telling teams he didn't want to go to that he would not sign with them, scaring them off from trading for him.  There were also reports that MIL had concerns that Brown would sign/extend with them (MIL was scared off).  Just putting 2 and 2 together here.  If there were "reports" that Brown was good with MIL (your preferred version of this story), it doesn't sound like MIL was believing those reports.

Neither of us know for sure, but based on the overall reporting, are you saying that you believe MIL had no qualms about trading for Brown, whether Brown went back channel or not?  Your agenda here is obvious, you want to believe that Stevens botched the negotiation, not that MIL may have been scared off for some reason, by Brown going back channel or for other reasons. 

I admit, I have no way of knowing for sure if Brown went back channel to MIL or any other team, but there was reporting that he did to some teams.  Why is it such a stretch to assume it is possible that he went back channel to MIL, especially in light of the "reporting" that MIL had concerns about Brown's long term commitment.

You're just making some pretty big leaps in logic.  Why would I fill in a gap by "assuming" anything?  That's not evidence. 

If JB pressured Milwaukee into not trading for him, I'd like to see the report of that.  Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it.  In fact, I've seen the report that he wasn't opposed to the Bucks.

[MattyIce]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

You refuted my comment about Brown potentially having put the kibosh on the trade to MIL by telling MIL he would not extend by saying there were "reports" he was happy to go to MIL.  I referenced the "report" I based my comment on, then you said that it isn't evidence.  Then you are implying that I am wrong because you would be shocked if Brown refused that money.

None of us know any of this for sure, but I stand by my original comment that there were reports that MIL backed off of trading for Brown due to them believing he would not extend with them.  There were also reports that Brown was using back channels to tell teams he wouldn't extend with them.  Whether these reports are accurate or not, I can't say but 1 + 1 does equal Brown telling MIL he wouldn't extend with them so MIL backed off.

But you're making stuff up, right?  Saying "Milwaukee wasn't convinced that JB would sign an extension" isn't the same as "JB told Milwaukee he wouldn't sign an extension and quashed the trade".

Boy, you are really fighting this.  There was a report out that Brown and/or his camp was telling teams he didn't want to go to that he would not sign with them, scaring them off from trading for him.  There were also reports that MIL had concerns that Brown would sign/extend with them (MIL was scared off).  Just putting 2 and 2 together here.  If there were "reports" that Brown was good with MIL (your preferred version of this story), it doesn't sound like MIL was believing those reports.

Neither of us know for sure, but based on the overall reporting, are you saying that you believe MIL had no qualms about trading for Brown, whether Brown went back channel or not?  Your agenda here is obvious, you want to believe that Stevens botched the negotiation, not that MIL may have been scared off for some reason, by Brown going back channel or for other reasons. 

I admit, I have no way of knowing for sure if Brown went back channel to MIL or any other team, but there was reporting that he did to some teams.  Why is it such a stretch to assume it is possible that he went back channel to MIL, especially in light of the "reporting" that MIL had concerns about Brown's long term commitment.

You're just making some pretty big leaps in logic.  Why would I fill in a gap by "assuming" anything?  That's not evidence. 

If JB pressured Milwaukee into not trading for him, I'd like to see the report of that.  Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it.  In fact, I've seen the report that he wasn't opposed to the Bucks.

there were reports that the Bucks had concerns about JB committing longer term, they wern't convinced he wanted to be in Milwaukee.  There are no reports that Ive seen that he pressured the bucks into not trading for him, and I don't personally have any info for or against. 

[MattyIce]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

You refuted my comment about Brown potentially having put the kibosh on the trade to MIL by telling MIL he would not extend by saying there were "reports" he was happy to go to MIL.  I referenced the "report" I based my comment on, then you said that it isn't evidence.  Then you are implying that I am wrong because you would be shocked if Brown refused that money.

None of us know any of this for sure, but I stand by my original comment that there were reports that MIL backed off of trading for Brown due to them believing he would not extend with them.  There were also reports that Brown was using back channels to tell teams he wouldn't extend with them.  Whether these reports are accurate or not, I can't say but 1 + 1 does equal Brown telling MIL he wouldn't extend with them so MIL backed off.

But you're making stuff up, right?  Saying "Milwaukee wasn't convinced that JB would sign an extension" isn't the same as "JB told Milwaukee he wouldn't sign an extension and quashed the trade".

Boy, you are really fighting this.  There was a report out that Brown and/or his camp was telling teams he didn't want to go to that he would not sign with them, scaring them off from trading for him.  There were also reports that MIL had concerns that Brown would sign/extend with them (MIL was scared off).  Just putting 2 and 2 together here.  If there were "reports" that Brown was good with MIL (your preferred version of this story), it doesn't sound like MIL was believing those reports.

Neither of us know for sure, but based on the overall reporting, are you saying that you believe MIL had no qualms about trading for Brown, whether Brown went back channel or not?  Your agenda here is obvious, you want to believe that Stevens botched the negotiation, not that MIL may have been scared off for some reason, by Brown going back channel or for other reasons. 

I admit, I have no way of knowing for sure if Brown went back channel to MIL or any other team, but there was reporting that he did to some teams.  Why is it such a stretch to assume it is possible that he went back channel to MIL, especially in light of the "reporting" that MIL had concerns about Brown's long term commitment.

You're just making some pretty big leaps in logic.  Why would I fill in a gap by "assuming" anything?  That's not evidence. 

If JB pressured Milwaukee into not trading for him, I'd like to see the report of that.  Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it.  In fact, I've seen the report that he wasn't opposed to the Bucks.

there were reports that the Bucks had concerns about JB committing longer term, they wern't convinced he wanted to be in Milwaukee.  There are no reports that Ive seen that he pressured the bucks into not trading for him, and I don't personally have any info for or against.

although as we know, there are reports he pressured some teams

[Celtics2021]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-trade-return-76ers-market-impact/

Interesting read.  If true it sheds light on why the C's got so little in return.

My take away from this is the suggestion that Brown (or more likely his agent) was telling teams not to trade for him.  Sounds like Stevens was being open and Brown was taking advantage of that.  This could explain a few things.

First, Brown knew he was being offered to MIL.  If this is true, he had his agent tell MIL that he would not sign there or otherwise did not want to be traded their.  This would certainly explain why MIL was not so interested in trading for Brown.

How many other teams did Stevens potentially tip Brown off to?  Maybe Stevens didn't disclose any specific teams, but it was easy enough for Brown to figure out who BOS could be talking to.  If Brown was going around putting the kibosh deals, that would certainly explain why his market was diminishing.

Hard to know if this is true but it seems to make sense.  So if it is true, then it is really disappointing.

Reports were that JB was fine going to Milwaukee.

I guess there were a lot of reports, I was referring to this one:

Reports from The Athletic indicated that the Milwaukee Bucks were hesitant to accept a trade centered around Jaylen Brown because they were unconvinced he would sign a long-term extension to remain in Milwaukee

Putting this together with the more recent story could lead one to believe that MIL was unconvinced because Brown's agent told them he wouldn't.

There's no actual evidence of that, though.  And, I'd be shocked if JB actually refused to sign that extension, even if he were traded to the Kings.  It's just a ridiculous amount of money.

You refuted my comment about Brown potentially having put the kibosh on the trade to MIL by telling MIL he would not extend by saying there were "reports" he was happy to go to MIL.  I referenced the "report" I based my comment on, then you said that it isn't evidence.  Then you are implying that I am wrong because you would be shocked if Brown refused that money.

None of us know any of this for sure, but I stand by my original comment that there were reports that MIL backed off of trading for Brown due to them believing he would not extend with them.  There were also reports that Brown was using back channels to tell teams he wouldn't extend with them.  Whether these reports are accurate or not, I can't say but 1 + 1 does equal Brown telling MIL he wouldn't extend with them so MIL backed off.

But you're making stuff up, right?  Saying "Milwaukee wasn't convinced that JB would sign an extension" isn't the same as "JB told Milwaukee he wouldn't sign an extension and quashed the trade".

Boy, you are really fighting this.  There was a report out that Brown and/or his camp was telling teams he didn't want to go to that he would not sign with them, scaring them off from trading for him.  There were also reports that MIL had concerns that Brown would sign/extend with them (MIL was scared off).  Just putting 2 and 2 together here.  If there were "reports" that Brown was good with MIL (your preferred version of this story), it doesn't sound like MIL was believing those reports.

Neither of us know for sure, but based on the overall reporting, are you saying that you believe MIL had no qualms about trading for Brown, whether Brown went back channel or not?  Your agenda here is obvious, you want to believe that Stevens botched the negotiation, not that MIL may have been scared off for some reason, by Brown going back channel or for other reasons. 

I admit, I have no way of knowing for sure if Brown went back channel to MIL or any other team, but there was reporting that he did to some teams.  Why is it such a stretch to assume it is possible that he went back channel to MIL, especially in light of the "reporting" that MIL had concerns about Brown's long term commitment.

You're just making some pretty big leaps in logic.  Why would I fill in a gap by "assuming" anything?  That's not evidence. 

If JB pressured Milwaukee into not trading for him, I'd like to see the report of that.  Maybe it exists, but I haven't seen it.  In fact, I've seen the report that he wasn't opposed to the Bucks.

there were reports that the Bucks had concerns about JB committing longer term, they wern't convinced he wanted to be in Milwaukee.  There are no reports that Ive seen that he pressured the bucks into not trading for him, and I don't personally have any info for or against.

although as we know, there are reports he pressured some teams

But I think the relevant question is, how long had the relationship between the Celtics (both individual players and the organization) and JB been trending toward this outcome?  Was it just this season, or had they searched for offers last summer, or even in 2024?

[Donoghus]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

[Celtics2021]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

More likely it means there is not another move coming.  My feel is they are done, and since this is the fourteen and they need Banton off to avoid the tax, they let him go now to find opportunities elsewhere.  Perhaps he has a summer league offer now or decided against participating, which is why today as opposed to next week, I guess.  But we all knew it was coming.

[No Nickname]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

More likely it means there is not another move coming.  My feel is they are done, and since this is the fourteen and they need Banton off to avoid the tax, they let him go now to find opportunities elsewhere.  Perhaps he has a summer league offer now or decided against participating, which is why today as opposed to next week, I guess.  But we all knew it was coming.

So most likely there's no chance of signing Bradley Beal with the biannual?

Or making a larger trade for Trey Murphy?

Would we basically be waiting for the trade deadline before any additional machinations happen?

[Celtics2021]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

Weird timing to me. Does that mean there is another move coming?

More likely it means there is not another move coming.  My feel is they are done, and since this is the fourteen and they need Banton off to avoid the tax, they let him go now to find opportunities elsewhere.  Perhaps he has a summer league offer now or decided against participating, which is why today as opposed to next week, I guess.  But we all knew it was coming.

So most likely there's no chance of signing Bradley Beal with the biannual?

Or making a larger trade for Trey Murphy?

Would we basically be waiting for the trade deadline before any additional machinations happen?

Zero chance of Trey Murphy.  Small chance of Bradley Beal, although I do not see him fitting the direction the Celtics have been going.  I would see him as a minimum-salary acquisition if they go that route, not bi-annual, but the Celtics have started at 14 most seasons lately.

[Phantom255x]

Banton finally got waived.

Adam Himmelsbach
@AdamHimmelsbach
According to a league source, the Celtics are waiving guard Dalano Banton, who was on a non-guaranteed deal.
Celtics' roster dips back to 14 players, and timing allows Banton to seek a new opp now.

_{OPENING UP A ROSTER SPOT FOR JOKIC!}

[Jiri Welsch]

So looks like this is the final 14 barring something unforeseen:

PG: White/PP/Conley
SG: Hauser/Hugo/Harper Jr.
SF: George/Scheierman/Walsh
PF: Tatum/Cenac
C: Queta/Robinson/Garza

Two Ways: Williams, Mitchell

Any cap guys know what they're sitting at with all of those salaries? I believe it's $1 million under the luxury tax line now.

[Who]

Some quotes relating to JT / JB not close relationship

Eddie A Johnson: What people need to understand is this is not abnormal among athletes at a high level. Those two guys were as professional on the court as any two teammates i have ever observed! I had over 400 teammates and trust me i didnt like them all but i was their bro on the court!

NBA Courtside

Jeff Teague on Shams Charania report on Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown personal relationship:

"Don't nobody be cool with people like that on a team, bro. I'm going to tell y'all the truth don't nobody hang with nobody for real, for real, like you might have a couple people that hang but people be work homeboys.

I think about all the teammates I was cool with when I was on the team we done had some of them, "You want to do the pod?? They like Nah, I ain't fu*k with you, I be like [dang] I used to what the fu*k, it just ain't my homeboy." (Via @club520podcast)

Danny Green

"Jayson Tatum was rehabbing, and he also has a young baby. As adults, you are grown, guys have families. You do not hang out a lot at home. Most of the hanging out is on the road. If Jayson Tatum is not traveling with the team, going to dinners, and hanging out, he is not going to see him as much."

This is what I was getting at with Jayson being injured.

[Jiri Welsch]

Some quotes relating to JT / JB not close relationship

Eddie A Johnson: What people need to understand is this is not abnormal among athletes at a high level. Those two guys were as professional on the court as any two teammates i have ever observed! I had over 400 teammates and trust me i didnt like them all but i was their bro on the court!

NBA Courtside

Jeff Teague on Shams Charania report on Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown personal relationship:

"Don't nobody be cool with people like that on a team, bro. I'm going to tell y'all the truth don't nobody hang with nobody for real, for real, like you might have a couple people that hang but people be work homeboys.

I think about all the teammates I was cool with when I was on the team we done had some of them, "You want to do the pod?? They like Nah, I ain't fu*k with you, I be like [dang] I used to what the fu*k, it just ain't my homeboy." (Via @club520podcast)

Danny Green

"Jayson Tatum was rehabbing, and he also has a young baby. As adults, you are grown, guys have families. You do not hang out a lot at home. Most of the hanging out is on the road. If Jayson Tatum is not traveling with the team, going to dinners, and hanging out, he is not going to see him as much."

This is what I was getting at with Jayson being injured.

So basically the Celtics have positive, professional relationships while at work, albeit a unique job with unique hours. Sounds like a good thing to me.

[Phantom255x]

It's crazy to me Hauser has seemingly survived all this movement the last two years

Either no one around the league wants him or they just see something in him, even though he's pretty useless when the 3s aren't falling and Baylor's ceiling is higher

[Jiri Welsch]

It's crazy to me Hauser has seemingly survived all this movement the last two years

Either no one around the league wants him or they just see something in him, even though he's pretty useless when the 3s aren't falling and Baylor's ceiling is higher

He makes a small enough amount where it has not been essential they move him. And he provides enough production where you can justify having him on the roster for that price.

I also do not think he would get more than a second round pick in a trade. They?ll probably keep him until Scheierman or Walsh clearly pass him on the depth chart.