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[slamtheking]

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[Who]

I am watching a Kendrick Perkins clip from 2 days ago on ESPN. Perk has been saying the relationship with Jaylen & the Celtics is past the point of no return. Perk has also been saying that Jaylen has been talking his way out of Boston since the end of the Philly series. He thinks Jaylen needs to go.

Anyway, that Perk's general stuff over the last week or so on Jaylen and he repeated that in the segment. 2 others of note from the segment:

(1) Tatum has never been on Jaylen's stream (twitch?). Other players have appeared. Never Tatum. Perk says the Tatum / Jaylen thing is a real thing. Essentially - it is not some made up media narrative. It is there. It is an issue. Not a huge issue but an issue.

(2) Jay Williams agreed with Perk. He thought Jaylen had intentionally created controversy (on his twitch stream, in particular the "his favourite season" comments) since the end of the Philly series because he is trying to push his way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qvlv-etpO8

Ohh, a third point at the end

(3) Perk points out that just about every player who has played in Boston and left the Celtics who has played with Jaylen & Tatum has said that it is Tatum's team. Tatum has a good relationship with everyone. Jaylen is more of an acquired taste. He can rub some people the wrong way. He gets on very well with others.

[celticinorlando]

Send Brown to Portland for Sharpe, Clingan and Scoot.

2 number 1s. These and Hauser get sent to NO for Murphy

Move on to FA and address whatever else needs to be addressed.

[SparzWizard]

I am watching a Kendrick Perkins clip from 2 days ago on ESPN. Perk has been saying the relationship with Jaylen & the Celtics is past the point of no return. Perk has also been saying that Jaylen has been talking his way out of Boston since the end of the Philly series. He thinks Jaylen needs to go.

Anyway, that Perk's general stuff over the last week or so on Jaylen and he repeated that in the segment. 2 others of note from the segment:

(1) Tatum has never been on Jaylen's stream (twitch?). Other players have appeared. Never Tatum. Perk says the Tatum / Jaylen thing is a real thing. Essentially - it is not some made up media narrative. It is there. It is an issue. Not a huge issue but an issue.

(2) Jay Williams agreed with Perk. He thought Jaylen had intentionally created controversy (on his twitch stream, in particular the "his favourite season" comments) since the end of the Philly series because he is trying to push his way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qvlv-etpO8

Ohh, a third point at the end

(3) Perk points out that just about every player who has played in Boston and left the Celtics who has played with Jaylen & Tatum has said that it is Tatum's team. Tatum has a good relationship with everyone. Jaylen is more of an acquired taste. He can rub some people the wrong way. He gets on very well with others.

Jaylen's ego is as big as Kyrie's. That's why they both are best buddies. Hence why I say Brown should be dealt with.

[Who]

Watching a Mazz & Felger clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzv80a2clrg

Could not agree more with Felgar here - it is absolutely insane that they would look to ship JB before changing coaches. [What The Heck] are we doing here Brad?!?

Ditto. I do not understand it either. I was just listening to John Hollinger on Colin Cowherd. Hollinger was saying -- yeah, they won a title but they lost in the 3 other years around it in series where they should have won -- Agreed. They did. So you look at the coach before you break up the Jaylen & Tatum duo! How dare you break up this team before trying a different coach first to see if he can stop those bad playoff losses!

Felger is 100% right something else is going on, Knicks won after changing coaches, why would you look for a deal you will lose on instead of trying a different coach?

"It is bananas you wouldn't look at the coach but you would trade your star player for PIECES!!!" - Mazz --- Agreed 100%.

They theorized it was not to do with the team underperforming in the playoffs but because they did not want to pay Jaylen Brown that contract extension.

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The guest on Mazz and Felger was Brian Robb of of MassLive. Robb said he didn't expect Clingan to be in the package in a potential trade with the Portland Trail Blazers.

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There is another clip where they talk about how it is weird how silent Tatum has been throughout this. How he hasn't spoken out on behalf of Jaylen. Tried to get the team to keep Jaylen.

I agree. Tatum's continued silence is odd.

[Phantom255x]

Yeah it's a completely valid point. If you had a choice to keep a coach or keep a superstar player, you'd be bonkers to keep the coach. Maybe it's because Tatum loves Mazzulla, and even Brad is supportive of this 3-point philosophy (which is another issue).

But this team had great regular season success with Jaylen leading the way and playing with an attack mindset instead of just chucking 3s. Their regular season 3-point shooting and attempts actually went down a bit, and they played inside a lot more and were fine even settling for jumpers which helped JB's scoring average go up nearly 5-6 points.

However, when Tatum came back and in the Sixers series they just seemed to revert back to the 3 point philosophy and maybe that also caused Jaylen to have some iffy games.

I don't hate Mazzulla but he absolutely has to be on the hot seat this season. 3 of the last 4 seasons have still ended in disappointment especially the last two seasons, and if they feel they need to trade Jaylen but keep Mazzulla and this philosophy then that's not good.

The Knicks part is true too. Maybe the coaching change helped. They made the ECF, Thibs was great and they upset Boston. They still fired him, got another guy and it might have put them over the top. Mike Brown's rotations and in-game adjustments after Game 3 of the Hawks series were good and he usually went with the hot hand and occasionally sat guys who were struggling like Bridges early on in the postseason as needed.

[Who]

Some trivia via ESPN

If Jaylen is traded, he will be the 5th player in league history to be traded within 3 years of winning the Finals MVP.

4 - Durant Finals MVP 2017 traded summer 2019
3 - Shaq Finals MVP in 2002, traded summer 2004
2 - Dennis Johnson Finals MVP 1979, traded summer 1980
1 - Jo Jo White Finals MVP 1976 traded in 1979

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Actually, this turned to be a very interesting ESPN clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyyU_kG1k5w

Bobby Marks notes Jaylen's bad on/off stats and then says he doesn't care. He knows who Jaylen is. He is a top 10 player in the NBA. Other guests on ESPN Chiney Ogwumike & Danny Green. D Green & B Marks are eye test guys more than stat guys. Chiney loves advanced stats but does not care at all about this one. I agree.

Bobby Marks (around 6min in) also says that Boston is not just receiving phone calls on Jaylen Brown. They are the ones making phone calls and offering Jaylen Brown to other teams.

Chiney had some great remarks before that Bobby Marks report. She said that if there is some sensitivity about Jaylen's twitch remarks then people need to get over it. Stop being so over-sensitive. Whatever he says on twitch ... well, well he shows up on the court he takes care of business. He plays team basketball. He wins. That is what you should care most about. Not his twitch stream. Agreed 100% with Chiney.

Chiney had another point there too. She said "it should take an act of God" to break up that Jaylen & Tatum duo. Again, I agree 100% with Chiney. She said they won a title together. They have been in contention almost every year now. No way do you break up this duo.

Bobby Marks said new owners are wild cards. He mentioned his time in Brooklyn when that Russian owner came in. He wanted a star. He wanted Carmelo Anthony. And he pushed to get him. He got Deron Williams in the end. Anyway, Bobby Marks wasn't talking about BOS' new owners but POR's new owner. That owner may want a major star and may be willing to pay a high price for Jaylen.

[Yuckabuck33]

I am watching a Kendrick Perkins clip from 2 days ago on ESPN. Perk has been saying the relationship with Jaylen & the Celtics is past the point of no return. Perk has also been saying that Jaylen has been talking his way out of Boston since the end of the Philly series. He thinks Jaylen needs to go.

Anyway, that Perk's general stuff over the last week or so on Jaylen and he repeated that in the segment. 2 others of note from the segment:

(1) Tatum has never been on Jaylen's stream (twitch?). Other players have appeared. Never Tatum. Perk says the Tatum / Jaylen thing is a real thing. Essentially - it is not some made up media narrative. It is there. It is an issue. Not a huge issue but an issue.

(2) Jay Williams agreed with Perk. He thought Jaylen had intentionally created controversy (on his twitch stream, in particular the "his favourite season" comments) since the end of the Philly series because he is trying to push his way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qvlv-etpO8

Ohh, a third point at the end

(3) Perk points out that just about every player who has played in Boston and left the Celtics who has played with Jaylen & Tatum has said that it is Tatum's team. Tatum has a good relationship with everyone. Jaylen is more of an acquired taste. He can rub some people the wrong way. He gets on very well with others.

We're treating Perk like a genuine source now? How long ago was it when people were posting about Perk being supposedly barred from the Garden? Now he's an inside source? Bull pucky.
This is how narratives are twisted to suit a person's agenda. Overemphasize evidence for your position while ignoring or hiding evidence against.
-Tatum not coming on Jaylen's stream. So? Maybe Tatum was paid to go on with other people? This doesn't prove anything except Tatum hasn't appeared on Jaylen's stream. Yet. This is like saying Tatum has never peed at a urinal next to Jaylen, so they obviously hate each other.
-I'm so sick of hearing about "favorite year." It was first said in the context of how he enjoyed the young guys. Then he repeated it again to clarify something that was clear from day one. People treat it like he literally said, "It was my favorite year because I was the alpha and Tatum was on the bench." When your evidence is something you think he said vs his own words, I don't know what to tell you.
-Former Celtics say it's Tatum's team, Perk? So what?? This is supposed to prove what?? Not mentioned is all the young guys saying that JB helped make them better this year. The most famous one of course was Jordan Walsh saying JB convinced Joe to play Walsh. I never heard anyone say Jason Tatum made them better. But see how Perk makes it sound like he has inside evidence of a rift between players and JB?
-JB been talking his way out of Boston? That's what Perk THINKS. I don't give much credence to Perk's thinking. He was never the brightest bulb in the pack. But he was sure able to put one over on TV.

[Who]

Cedric Maxwell with his thoughts on Jaylen

"Call the moving company ..."

He thinks a trade is coming. This situation is too odd. There is too much talking going on by Brad with other teams.

[Neurotic Guy]

Send Brown to Portland for Sharpe, Clingan and Scoot.

2 number 1s. These and Hauser get sent to NO for Murphy

Move on to FA and address whatever else needs to be addressed.

A trio of very good and very young Trailblazers plus Trae Murphy for Brown and Hauser.  If this was available to Brad I?m pretty sure he?d take it. I would guess salaries would make it impossible.

[celticinorlando]

I have to think this gets done before FA starts so Brad knows exactly what he still needs to address.

[Celtics2021]

Send Brown to Portland for Sharpe, Clingan and Scoot.

2 number 1s. These and Hauser get sent to NO for Murphy

Move on to FA and address whatever else needs to be addressed.

A trio of very good and very young Trailblazers plus Trae Murphy for Brown and Hauser.  If this was available to Brad I?m pretty sure he?d take it. I would guess salaries would make it impossible.

Blazers would need to send more salary, that is correct.  It is one of the reasons they are not a great trade partner.  It is difficult for them to match for Jaylen without including Jerami Grant, who is owed $36.4 million in 27-28, which is a very negative value contract.

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John-Griner Canady: .@JakeLFischer adds more context to the Celtics asking price of four first-round picks for Jaylen Brown

?I really am skeptical that you?re gonna see Jaylen Brown moved for just draft capital, because the word prevails from New England that the Celtics want to be a contender.?

In one of the later reports by Shams on ESPN he said they are asking teams for "at least" 4 first round picks.

[Who]

Loving Evan Turner on the SI podcast with Chris Mannix.

* E Turner wouldn't trade Jaylen for Giannis. He is too concerned about Giannis' injuries + failure to develop his game as his athleticism starts to fade. E Turner believes Jaylen's next 3 years will be better than Giannis' next 3 years. Agreed.

* E Turner hates the idea of an E Mobley for Jaylen Brown swap. Nowhere near the player Jaylen is. E Turner thinks Mobley has peaked. No upside left. Turner cannot understand how Mobley struggles to get 16-18pts when he can shoot the ball, drive the ball, run in the floor in this high pace high scoring modern NBA.

I forget who it was but someone else was having a go at Mobley on another youtube video. They said despite Mobley being a DPOY, he is not a tone setter. He doesn't create a defensive mentality for the Cavs. And he doesn't. I thought it was a great point. He is very good at what he does but he doesn't improve the people around him on D.

* E Turner continues to love Tatum. Says he is a 27ppg 10rpg 6apg guy and those are LeBron-esque numbers. Doesn't get the credit he deserves.

* E Turner loves Jaylen too. A true "killer". Plays hard every night. Goes after everyone. Plays both ends. Plays in big moments (Finals MVP). Not many guys in the league do that. That heart. That consistency. That ferocity.

E Turner went back to Mobley. Jaylen has swag / he has an aura. Mobley doesn't have that. Jaylen is a killer. Mobley doesn't have that.

* When talking about Giannis, E Turner said people overlooked just how much talent was around him in MIL when they won. They had a top 20 player in Jrue. Another All-Star in Middleton. Brook Lopez & B Portis. Other quality role players. Giannis needed all of those guys to perform at that level. Without them, he was underachieving in the playoffs and going home early.

So E Turner wouldn't trade Jaylen for Giannis anyway. But he certainly wouldn't offer a bunch of other assets on top of Jaylen because you need those assets to put a title contender around Giannis. Giannis ain't good enough.

They finished up discussing Giannis in Miami. E Turner ain't a believer. He thought MIA gave up too much for Giannis. That they don't have enough left to contend. He said MIA do not have good enough guard play to lead the team. They don't have a 3 level scorer who can create their own offense. Their offense is too basic with bully ball Giannis.

Turner also added that you almost have to have a unique team to get the best out of Giannis. I agree. Everything has to revolve around him. Both his strengths & his weaknesses because both are so extreme. The guy is not that easy to play with.

[SparzWizard]

John-Griner Canady: .@JakeLFischer adds more context to the Celtics asking price of four first-round picks for Jaylen Brown

?I really am skeptical that you?re gonna see Jaylen Brown moved for just draft capital, because the word prevails from New England that the Celtics want to be a contender.?

In one of the later reports by Shams on ESPN he said they are asking teams for "at least" 4 first round picks.

Hm who to believe...Fischer or Shams?