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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #630 on: November 06, 2023, 05:12:32 PM »

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TP back at you for the quotes.  I was giving Stevens credit for shaking things up but it looks like Wyc was the catalyst.  Very glad he didn't want to stand pat.

Maybe it's part of my preconceived notion about some of these super successful multi-millionaires/billionaire types, but Wyc often rubs me the wrong way with some of his statements, in the way he tries to take credit for things.

There's his comments recently that Kernewek just posted, and then there were his comments about the famous KG/Pierce Brooklyn trade.  If you listen to him tell it, he was the mastermind behind getting all those picks from Brooklyn.

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As I recall — and Danny may remember slightly differently — but as I recall, he came to me with that deal on draft day [in 2013] and said, “We’re going to get two first-round picks from Brooklyn for [Garnett, Pierce, Terry, and White], and take on some contracts.” And I said, “OK, are [the picks] unprotected?” And he said, “Yes, in fact, they are.” I said, “Great. Let’s go get a third pick.” And he goes, “Whoa, whoa, whoa,” but, “All right, I’ll ask.” And he’s not afraid to ask, he wasn’t pushing back. But he went and asked, and he said, “Unbelievable. We got a third pick. This is great.” And I said, “Great. Go get a fourth pick. I think these guys have deal fever — we’re going to keep going until they say no. I think they’ve been told by ownership to get the deal done, so let’s go back.” And Danny sort of gave me a look, like I don’t want to lose the deal by pushing too hard. Normally we try to play down the middle of the road with people, [but] I said, “Go push aggressively for a fourth pick.”

And so he went back, he came back to me and he said, “OK, you’ve got your wish. They’ve said no now … they’re not going to give us a fourth pick.” I said fine, make that fourth pick into a swap. Because swapping a pick doesn’t feel like you’re losing a pick. You still have a pick, and it’s pretty unlikely that we would be able to swap — that would mean we were better than they are. And we think they’re going to be pretty good with this trade. So just get the swap and call it a day. So we got that swap, and that swap turned into Jayson Tatum and another first-round pick — it turned into the number-one pick in [last] year’s draft [which was later traded to Philadelphia]. That’s how the Brooklyn trade evolved as I recall it, which was working together with Danny to get the best possible deal out of Brooklyn.

So it seems there's one of two things probably going on:

Wyc was really the mastermind behind Danny and now Brad's biggest moves.

Wyc hired really smart people to work for him, then takes the credit for their work.

I tend not to believe "there's going to be fireworks" Wyc so much.  Like a lot of successful businessmen, I think there's a lot of politician to him, taking credit for things that he had minimal involvement in, and/or pandering to his audience (like in the past when he said the team's willing to spend yet they didn't, or his recent comments about wanting to bring the WNBA to Boston when it's unlikely for a variety of reasons).

I'm still giving credit to Brad on this one.

Yep.  And as I recall he's told the media the Celtics would have taken Durant over Oden.  I'm sure there's been other nonsense, too.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #631 on: November 06, 2023, 06:32:51 PM »

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TP back at you for the quotes.  I was giving Stevens credit for shaking things up but it looks like Wyc was the catalyst.  Very glad he didn't want to stand pat.

Maybe it's part of my preconceived notion about some of these super successful multi-millionaires/billionaire types, but Wyc often rubs me the wrong way with some of his statements, in the way he tries to take credit for things.

There's his comments recently that Kernewek just posted, and then there were his comments about the famous KG/Pierce Brooklyn trade.  If you listen to him tell it, he was the mastermind behind getting all those picks from Brooklyn.

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As I recall — and Danny may remember slightly differently — but as I recall, he came to me with that deal on draft day [in 2013] and said, “We’re going to get two first-round picks from Brooklyn for [Garnett, Pierce, Terry, and White], and take on some contracts.” And I said, “OK, are [the picks] unprotected?” And he said, “Yes, in fact, they are.” I said, “Great. Let’s go get a third pick.” And he goes, “Whoa, whoa, whoa,” but, “All right, I’ll ask.” And he’s not afraid to ask, he wasn’t pushing back. But he went and asked, and he said, “Unbelievable. We got a third pick. This is great.” And I said, “Great. Go get a fourth pick. I think these guys have deal fever — we’re going to keep going until they say no. I think they’ve been told by ownership to get the deal done, so let’s go back.” And Danny sort of gave me a look, like I don’t want to lose the deal by pushing too hard. Normally we try to play down the middle of the road with people, [but] I said, “Go push aggressively for a fourth pick.”

And so he went back, he came back to me and he said, “OK, you’ve got your wish. They’ve said no now … they’re not going to give us a fourth pick.” I said fine, make that fourth pick into a swap. Because swapping a pick doesn’t feel like you’re losing a pick. You still have a pick, and it’s pretty unlikely that we would be able to swap — that would mean we were better than they are. And we think they’re going to be pretty good with this trade. So just get the swap and call it a day. So we got that swap, and that swap turned into Jayson Tatum and another first-round pick — it turned into the number-one pick in [last] year’s draft [which was later traded to Philadelphia]. That’s how the Brooklyn trade evolved as I recall it, which was working together with Danny to get the best possible deal out of Brooklyn.

So it seems there's one of two things probably going on:

Wyc was really the mastermind behind Danny and now Brad's biggest moves.

Wyc hired really smart people to work for him, then takes the credit for their work.

I tend not to believe "there's going to be fireworks" Wyc so much.  Like a lot of successful businessmen, I think there's a lot of politician to him, taking credit for things that he had minimal involvement in, and/or pandering to his audience (like in the past when he said the team's willing to spend yet they didn't, or his recent comments about wanting to bring the WNBA to Boston when it's unlikely for a variety of reasons).

I'm still giving credit to Brad on this one.

Yep.  And as I recall he's told the media the Celtics would have taken Durant over Oden.  I'm sure there's been other nonsense, too.
It makes sense that Wyc would have initiated it.  Regardless Brad can't do anything significant without Wyc's approval.  If Wyc wanted to run it back one more season that's what would have happened. 

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #632 on: November 06, 2023, 08:24:30 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #633 on: November 06, 2023, 08:59:56 PM »

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TP back at you for the quotes.  I was giving Stevens credit for shaking things up but it looks like Wyc was the catalyst.  Very glad he didn't want to stand pat.

Maybe it's part of my preconceived notion about some of these super successful multi-millionaires/billionaire types, but Wyc often rubs me the wrong way with some of his statements, in the way he tries to take credit for things.

There's his comments recently that Kernewek just posted, and then there were his comments about the famous KG/Pierce Brooklyn trade.  If you listen to him tell it, he was the mastermind behind getting all those picks from Brooklyn.

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As I recall — and Danny may remember slightly differently — but as I recall, he came to me with that deal on draft day [in 2013] and said, “We’re going to get two first-round picks from Brooklyn for [Garnett, Pierce, Terry, and White], and take on some contracts.” And I said, “OK, are [the picks] unprotected?” And he said, “Yes, in fact, they are.” I said, “Great. Let’s go get a third pick.” And he goes, “Whoa, whoa, whoa,” but, “All right, I’ll ask.” And he’s not afraid to ask, he wasn’t pushing back. But he went and asked, and he said, “Unbelievable. We got a third pick. This is great.” And I said, “Great. Go get a fourth pick. I think these guys have deal fever — we’re going to keep going until they say no. I think they’ve been told by ownership to get the deal done, so let’s go back.” And Danny sort of gave me a look, like I don’t want to lose the deal by pushing too hard. Normally we try to play down the middle of the road with people, [but] I said, “Go push aggressively for a fourth pick.”

And so he went back, he came back to me and he said, “OK, you’ve got your wish. They’ve said no now … they’re not going to give us a fourth pick.” I said fine, make that fourth pick into a swap. Because swapping a pick doesn’t feel like you’re losing a pick. You still have a pick, and it’s pretty unlikely that we would be able to swap — that would mean we were better than they are. And we think they’re going to be pretty good with this trade. So just get the swap and call it a day. So we got that swap, and that swap turned into Jayson Tatum and another first-round pick — it turned into the number-one pick in [last] year’s draft [which was later traded to Philadelphia]. That’s how the Brooklyn trade evolved as I recall it, which was working together with Danny to get the best possible deal out of Brooklyn.

So it seems there's one of two things probably going on:

Wyc was really the mastermind behind Danny and now Brad's biggest moves.

Wyc hired really smart people to work for him, then takes the credit for their work.

I tend not to believe "there's going to be fireworks" Wyc so much.  Like a lot of successful businessmen, I think there's a lot of politician to him, taking credit for things that he had minimal involvement in, and/or pandering to his audience (like in the past when he said the team's willing to spend yet they didn't, or his recent comments about wanting to bring the WNBA to Boston when it's unlikely for a variety of reasons).

I'm still giving credit to Brad on this one.

Yep.  And as I recall he's told the media the Celtics would have taken Durant over Oden.  I'm sure there's been other nonsense, too.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #634 on: November 06, 2023, 09:26:45 PM »

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Indy finished with 152 points.

Philly may get 150 as well. They are 146 points with 40secs to go. Nope, they stayed at 146.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #635 on: November 06, 2023, 09:46:52 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #636 on: November 06, 2023, 09:51:27 PM »

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Anthony Davis left game with injury.

Spasm in the groin.  Didn't he get that in the playoffs a few years ago?

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #637 on: November 06, 2023, 09:55:05 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #638 on: November 06, 2023, 10:01:53 PM »

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Indy finished with 152 points.

Philly may get 150 as well. They are 146 points with 40secs to go. Nope, they stayed at 146.

Embiid just played his 400th regular season game with a memorable performance and he got to take the 4th quarter off again:  48pts 11reb 6ast.    He's come a long way from missing his 1st two seasons. 

Maxey had double digit assists in B2B games for the first time in his career.  Harden who? 

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #639 on: November 06, 2023, 10:06:48 PM »

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Bucks squeaked out a win over the Nets.  Lonnie Walker had another good game.  How did the Lakers let him get away?   

Kings getting trounced by the Rockets.  They really need Fox back. 

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #640 on: November 06, 2023, 10:14:58 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #641 on: November 06, 2023, 10:21:26 PM »

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Wrong thread
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #642 on: November 06, 2023, 10:24:28 PM »

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That was Wemby's first game in Indiana.

That reminds me of Duncan's first game there. He defended Mark Jackson at PG while starting at SF next to D-Rob and Will Perdue. The Pacers were short-handed without Reggie & Smits. The Spurs held Indiana to 55 points that night.

Indiana got 152 points against Wemby's Spurs.

Almost 100 points more than against rookie Duncan.

I still have the game on tape somewhere. Fun game despite the low scoring. Lotta fun to watch rookie TD defend a slow PG in Mark Jackson.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #643 on: November 06, 2023, 11:00:42 PM »

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Rockets up to 3-3 for .500 after winning against SAC today. Sengun with 12 assists 17pts and 8reb.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #644 on: November 07, 2023, 07:56:35 AM »

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What a night for big guys:

Embiid       48 pts / 11 rebs /  6 asst
Adebayo     22 pts / 20 rebs / 10 asst
Jokic          35 pts / 14 rebs / 12 asst

That is some serious production.

Meanwhile, for Boston:

Porzingis      20 pts / 5 rebs / 1 asst
Horford         3 pts / 5 rebs / 4 asst