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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3510 on: February 21, 2024, 06:29:45 AM »

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I have no real desire to defend Doc Rivers, so I won't, but I do think it's important to keep in mind that the inability of Milwaukee's front office & ownership to properly assess, hire, and retain a functional coaching staff is not a problem created by Doc Rivers.

the funny thing is that Giannis said its "exhausting" going through so many coaches. When I guarantee it was him who pushed for Bud to be gone, then pushed for Griffin over nurse, and then probably pushed for Griffin to be fired. I doubt the bucks front office does any of these moves without his blessing.

that first game after griffin was fired they were dancing before the game like they just god rid of Hitler as a coach.
I don't think we can make that guarantee. Bud got pushed out because of the Heat series and it's easier to fire a coach than trade a player. Griffin seems to have been fairly universally disliked, but the verbiage about hiring Doc doesn't scream 'Giannis did this to me':

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After the In-Season Tournament in December, when the Bucks lost to the Indiana Pacers in Las Vegas and the internal skepticism grew regarding Griffin’s ability to lead, there were strong signs that a change was coming.

League sources say Doc Rivers, who is an ESPN analyst after getting fired by the Philadelphia 76ers last May, began to serve as an informal consultant to Griffin at the behest of the Bucks. One month later, multiple sources briefed on the matter now indicate that Rivers is the serious leader for the now-vacant position and the preferred choice of key stakeholders.
https://theathletic.com/5222650/2024/01/23/bucks-adrian-griffin-firing-why-doc-rivers/

Remember when Wyc made a big show of yelling at the bench/Mazzulla? That's 'internal scepticism'. 'Key stakeholders' is a mostly stock phrase you find in large organisations, but it's largely the people you have to answer to regarding the successes & failures of a given project (which, for an NBA team, is decidedly not the players). As others have said, you don't trade Jrue Holiday for Damian Lillard and act shocked that your defense has taken a bit of a hit.

Does Giannis's opinion matter to the Bucks front office? It should. Does any of this look like a player-driven series of hirings and firings? Not really.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3511 on: February 21, 2024, 06:36:20 AM »

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I have no real desire to defend Doc Rivers, so I won't, but I do think it's important to keep in mind that the inability of Milwaukee's front office & ownership to properly assess, hire, and retain a functional coaching staff is not a problem created by Doc Rivers.

the funny thing is that Giannis said its "exhausting" going through so many coaches. When I guarantee it was him who pushed for Bud to be gone, then pushed for Griffin over nurse, and then probably pushed for Griffin to be fired. I doubt the bucks front office does any of these moves without his blessing.

that first game after griffin was fired they were dancing before the game like they just god rid of Hitler as a coach.

Why do you say this?

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3512 on: February 21, 2024, 06:46:53 AM »

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I was just reading up on this NIL money in college basketball. I got curious how much money these stars were making.

And wow, Bronny James is getting around $6mil this year. Now he is a crazy outlier. Second on the list Hansel Enmanuel at $1.4mil. Then Shaq's kid at $1mil. Zach Edey at $800k.

It seems that you make more money the more instagram, twitter, tik-tok followers you have. So being a celebrity's son is a major gain in getting that NIL money.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3513 on: February 21, 2024, 06:49:10 AM »

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Doc never should have taken the job if he truly believed that.  which is why I don't believe that for a second.

I mean maybe after they said "but we will pay you $40million guaranteed" and he said sign me up!

Kind of funny to hear all this from Doc after just 10 games.....and they play the timberwolves on Friday night. could be another loss

their schedule is pretty brutal coming up. alot of playoff teams.

Absolutely correct. Doc may have said “I don’t get why you’re doing this” - and still be very glad to take a high profile, highly paid job.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3514 on: February 21, 2024, 08:10:16 AM »

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Thinking about how to make the all star game better, what if they made all shots worth 2. No 3 point shot in the game.  Or maybe you just have a small circle on each side worth 3, but that is it.  Might stop some of the ridiculous shots a d would make those little circles more entertaining and easier to defend.
I like this idea, but as one of the other exhibitions, not the main game. The age 7-12 demographic of fans still deserve to see their heroes jacking up ridiculous heaves. I'd really like to see how modern NBA players adjust to the "no-3" game, which I miss terribly. IMO, it was a better game.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3515 on: February 21, 2024, 08:19:09 AM »

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Thinking about how to make the all star game better, what if they made all shots worth 2. No 3 point shot in the game.  Or maybe you just have a small circle on each side worth 3, but that is it.  Might stop some of the ridiculous shots a d would make those little circles more entertaining and easier to defend.
I like this idea, but as one of the other exhibitions, not the main game. The age 7-12 demographic of fans still deserve to see their heroes jacking up ridiculous heaves. I'd really like to see how modern NBA players adjust to the "no-3" game, which I miss terribly. IMO, it was a better game.

When they first came out they were a novelty and not many guys could should them at high enough percentage to warrant taking them.  There was an implied risk in taking a 3 - almost like going for a 2 point conversion in the NFL (though they’re getting wise to the metrics of that too).  I remember thinking how ballsy Bird was for even trying a 3 in big moments. 

Never going to happen, but here is an idea for a rule change for regular games: move the line back a bit where you can and limit  the amount of 3’s a team can attempt to say 10 a game (or pick an amount), with the exception of the last minute of the game and  /or if you are trailing by double digits or more.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3516 on: February 21, 2024, 08:31:22 AM »

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Thinking about how to make the all star game better, what if they made all shots worth 2. No 3 point shot in the game.  Or maybe you just have a small circle on each side worth 3, but that is it.  Might stop some of the ridiculous shots a d would make those little circles more entertaining and easier to defend.

Funny, I had the exact same idea.  At least then we'd be seeing more uncontested dunks, rather than uncontested threes.  It would also potentially lead to a tightening of the score.

The NBA probably won't do this, because they like the idea of some star getting ultra hot and hitting 10+ three pointers to take over the game and win MVP.  But, I think it would lead to *slightly* better basketball.

Another idea:  award a defensive MVP for the game, with a cash bonus.  If players took it seriously, it would be fun.  Of course, the downside of that is we still get a game like Sunday's, and then you have to pick somebody to give the DMVP to.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3517 on: February 21, 2024, 09:18:38 AM »

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I'd like to see Milwaukee make two changes to their starting lineup.

(1) Start Beverley in the backcourt instead of M Beasley to improve their backcourt defense.
(2) Move Middleton to a 6th man role and start Connaughton instead at SF. Try to get more hustle. More quickness. Turn the offense over entirely to Giannis & Lillard with Brook in the 3rd option role.

G: Lillard
G: Beverley
F: Connaughton
F: Giannis
C: Brook

Then they have Portis and Middleton as key bench pieces. That would be my top 7.

And some fillers elswhere in M Beasley (shooting two guard), Cam Payne (ball-handler), Jae Crowder (muscular forward) where needed.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3518 on: February 21, 2024, 11:48:00 AM »

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I'd like to see Milwaukee make two changes to their starting lineup.

(1) Start Beverley in the backcourt instead of M Beasley to improve their backcourt defense.
(2) Move Middleton to a 6th man role and start Connaughton instead at SF. Try to get more hustle. More quickness. Turn the offense over entirely to Giannis & Lillard with Brook in the 3rd option role.

G: Lillard
G: Beverley
F: Connaughton
F: Giannis
C: Brook

Then they have Portis and Middleton as key bench pieces. That would be my top 7.

And some fillers elswhere in M Beasley (shooting two guard), Cam Payne (ball-handler), Jae Crowder (muscular forward) where needed.

Milwaukee fans want nothing to do with Connaughton. They hate that guy.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3519 on: February 21, 2024, 11:54:27 AM »

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I'd like to see Milwaukee make two changes to their starting lineup.

(1) Start Beverley in the backcourt instead of M Beasley to improve their backcourt defense.
(2) Move Middleton to a 6th man role and start Connaughton instead at SF. Try to get more hustle. More quickness. Turn the offense over entirely to Giannis & Lillard with Brook in the 3rd option role.

G: Lillard
G: Beverley
F: Connaughton
F: Giannis
C: Brook

Then they have Portis and Middleton as key bench pieces. That would be my top 7.

And some fillers elswhere in M Beasley (shooting two guard), Cam Payne (ball-handler), Jae Crowder (muscular forward) where needed.

Milwaukee fans want nothing to do with Connaughton. They hate that guy.
I like the ideas of starting Beverly and moving Middleton to 6th man role.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3520 on: February 21, 2024, 12:01:52 PM »

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I'd like to see Milwaukee make two changes to their starting lineup.

(1) Start Beverley in the backcourt instead of M Beasley to improve their backcourt defense.
(2) Move Middleton to a 6th man role and start Connaughton instead at SF. Try to get more hustle. More quickness. Turn the offense over entirely to Giannis & Lillard with Brook in the 3rd option role.

G: Lillard
G: Beverley
F: Connaughton
F: Giannis
C: Brook

Then they have Portis and Middleton as key bench pieces. That would be my top 7.

And some fillers elswhere in M Beasley (shooting two guard), Cam Payne (ball-handler), Jae Crowder (muscular forward) where needed.

Milwaukee fans want nothing to do with Connaughton. They hate that guy.
I like the ideas of starting Beverly and moving Middleton to 6th man role.

I’m targeting him (Connaughton — replied to the wrong post) as a buyout guy for the end of rotation/deep bench after next year’s trade deadline.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3521 on: February 21, 2024, 12:09:29 PM »

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I was just reading up on this NIL money in college basketball. I got curious how much money these stars were making.

And wow, Bronny James is getting around $6mil this year. Now he is a crazy outlier. Second on the list Hansel Enmanuel at $1.4mil. Then Shaq's kid at $1mil. Zach Edey at $800k.

It seems that you make more money the more instagram, twitter, tik-tok followers you have. So being a celebrity's son is a major gain in getting that NIL money.

Shedeur Sanders (football) is at a valuation of $4.1m, and Olivia Dunne (gymnastics) $3.2m. But most of the top 20 are football players. Hansel Emanuel is actually No.15 overall.

Bryce James is at a $1.4m valuation. Does help to be a nepo baby  :police:

https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/14
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D


Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3522 on: February 21, 2024, 12:14:46 PM »

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I was just reading up on this NIL money in college basketball. I got curious how much money these stars were making.

And wow, Bronny James is getting around $6mil this year. Now he is a crazy outlier. Second on the list Hansel Enmanuel at $1.4mil. Then Shaq's kid at $1mil. Zach Edey at $800k.

It seems that you make more money the more instagram, twitter, tik-tok followers you have. So being a celebrity's son is a major gain in getting that NIL money.

Shedeur Sanders (football) is at a valuation of $4.1m, and Olivia Dunne (gymnastics) $3.2m. But most of the top 20 are football players. Hansel Emanuel is actually No.15 overall.

Bryce James is at a $1.4m valuation. Does help to be a nepo baby  :police:

https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/14

Here are updated values:  https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/

One note:  these are projected values based upon an algorithm, and not what is actually being paid

Personally, I'm shocked that Bronny James has more followers than Olivia Dunne, haha.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3523 on: February 21, 2024, 12:15:37 PM »

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I was just reading up on this NIL money in college basketball. I got curious how much money these stars were making.

And wow, Bronny James is getting around $6mil this year. Now he is a crazy outlier. Second on the list Hansel Enmanuel at $1.4mil. Then Shaq's kid at $1mil. Zach Edey at $800k.

It seems that you make more money the more instagram, twitter, tik-tok followers you have. So being a celebrity's son is a major gain in getting that NIL money.

Shedeur Sanders (football) is at a valuation of $4.1m, and Olivia Dunne (gymnastics) $3.2m. But most of the top 20 are football players. Hansel Emanuel is actually No.15 overall.

Bryce James is at a $1.4m valuation. Does help to be a nepo baby  :police:

https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/14

I'm pretty shocked Caitlin Clark didn't crack the top 20.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #3524 on: February 21, 2024, 12:19:39 PM »

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I was just reading up on this NIL money in college basketball. I got curious how much money these stars were making.

And wow, Bronny James is getting around $6mil this year. Now he is a crazy outlier. Second on the list Hansel Enmanuel at $1.4mil. Then Shaq's kid at $1mil. Zach Edey at $800k.

It seems that you make more money the more instagram, twitter, tik-tok followers you have. So being a celebrity's son is a major gain in getting that NIL money.

Shedeur Sanders (football) is at a valuation of $4.1m, and Olivia Dunne (gymnastics) $3.2m. But most of the top 20 are football players. Hansel Emanuel is actually No.15 overall.

Bryce James is at a $1.4m valuation. Does help to be a nepo baby  :police:

https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/14

I'm pretty shocked Caitlin Clark didn't crack the top 20.

Looks like she's #30, about $90k (estimated) behind #19.


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