Patriots 2023 Season

[Vermont Green]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

[Roy H.]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

I think Fields *is* good.  I think he's good enough to reach a Super Bowl if the rest of the team is very good.  I think he'd be a good fit in Atlanta, or maybe Vegas, where there are some weapons around him.  The difference between Fields and Jalen Hurts is that Hurts has two excellent receivers and a very good line. 

I tend to agree on New England, though.  They've got too many offensive holes.  Now, they could draft Marvin Harrison and immediately would have a #1 receiver, but the line is still spotty as heck.

As for why the Bears are likely moving on...  Fields is good, but he's not "great".  Williams has the potential to be a top-5 QB, and when that player becomes available, there's a huge temptation to gamble that he'll hit his upside.  Plus, it rests the salary cap clock on the QB position.

As a Bears fan, my ideal draft would probably be to keep Fields, trade #1 for #2 + Washington's two seconds, draft Marvin Harrison and one of the LTs (Alt being the preference), and grab a center and edge in the second round.  That would potentially give the Bears an elite line and receiving corps going forward. 

[Goldstar88]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

[Moranis]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

[Roy H.]

Fields isn’t that young

He's 24.  That's pretty young.

[Donoghus]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

They'd also be resetting the clock on the rookie QB salary scale.

[Moranis]

McAdoo hire is nice. Get a guy with NFL head coaching experience that isn't a threat at all to undermine or try to take over

[Goldstar88]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

Yeah, I don’t see it. Feel like Fields was a better looking prospect coming out of college than Williams is.

[Celtics2021]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

Yeah, I don’t see it. Feel like Fields was a better looking prospect coming out of college than Williams is.

That’s a pretty aggressive position you’re taking there.  I’d probably keep Fields and take the mammoth offer they should get for Williams if I were the Bears, but Caleb is definitely the superior draft prospect of the two.  Are you trying to out-Moranis Moranis?

[Donoghus]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

Yeah, I don’t see it. Feel like Fields was a better looking prospect coming out of college than Williams is.

That’s a pretty aggressive position you’re taking there.  I’d probably keep Fields and take the mammoth offer they should get for Williams if I were the Bears, but Caleb is definitely the superior draft prospect of the two.  Are you trying to out-Moranis Moranis?

Yeah, Williams has pretty much been the consensus #1 pick all year.  Fields was never in that breath.  My concern with Williams is what he has between his two ears.  Some questionable character stories out there although some of it could simply be planted stories.

That being said, Kingsbury is now with the Commandeers.  Wouldn't mind seeing how much the Bears could extort from Washington for that #1 pick.  Hell, they could make that trade then trade down again from #2 and absolutely load up on capital.

[Goldstar88]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

Yeah, I don’t see it. Feel like Fields was a better looking prospect coming out of college than Williams is.

That’s a pretty aggressive position you’re taking there.  I’d probably keep Fields and take the mammoth offer they should get for Williams if I were the Bears, but Caleb is definitely the superior draft prospect of the two.  Are you trying to out-Moranis Moranis?

Idk, Justin Fields was a beast in college. Guess we shall see… Also, I’m not sold on Maye, either. Watched a few of his games this year. Wasn’t impressed.

[Goldstar88]

Fields isn’t that young

He's 24.  That's pretty young.

He’s going into year 4 and will be 25 in a month. How many seasons does a QB get before they, “are what they are”?

[A Future of Stevens]

Fields isn’t that young

He's 24.  That's pretty young.

He’s going into year 4 and will be 25 in a month. How many seasons does a QB get before they, “are what they are”?

He is literally 6 months younger than Mac Jones. I don't consider Mac that young, so that feels like it should apply to Fields. I agree they may just be what they are. Or they could take a jump. Who knows.

[Goldstar88]

Fields isn’t that young

He's 24.  That's pretty young.

He’s going into year 4 and will be 25 in a month. How many seasons does a QB get before they, “are what they are”?

He is literally 6 months younger than Mac Jones. I don't consider Mac that young, so that feels like it should apply to Fields. I agree they may just be what they are. Or they could take a jump. Who knows.

Also, Mac never had a DJ Moore level talent to throw the ball to. Least Chicago went out and got a legitimate #1 WR for Fields. Pats did Mac zero favors. It’s almost like Bill didn’t want him in NE… 

[Moranis]

I am hearing reporting along these lines more and more:

A consensus may be growing regarding quarterback Justin Fields' future with the Chicago Bears.

ESPN's Matt Miller reported Monday that "everyone I spoke to at the Senior Bowl" guessed the Bears will select USC star Caleb Williams and trade Fields for potentially a second-round pick.

Even after three seasons, it might be too early to write Fields off. He threw for 2,562 yards, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2023. Maybe a new offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron, helps to unlock a new level in the 24-year-old's game.

Doesn't mean there is any truth to it but I would be OK with a second round pick for Fields.  If the Pats were able to get Fields, I would probably trade #3 for multiple picks.  I am not of the belief that a single really good receiver (Harrison) moves the needle enough for a team with a lot of needs.  Trade back and stock up on OL and multiple skill positions weapons.  No need to put all your eggs in one receiver basket.

There would probably be competition for Fields if he was put on the market.  It would not be automatic that the Pats get him.

There’s a reason Chicago is likely moving on from Fields. He just isn’t good. Do people think Justin is going to play better throwing to Juju instead of DJ Moore? If he wasn’t very good with legitimate weapons in Chicago, how is he going to be any good in New England. The Pats do have a lot of holes and it is likely going to take multiple drafts to rebuild. Giving up draft capital for Fields would be a mistake, IMO.

It is tough to judge a young QB on a bad team.  I agree that if you think Daniels is a stud, just pick him.  But how do you know?  Many top QB picks never even get to the level of an average NFL QB. 

With Fields, the floor is a decent starting QB.  There is some ceiling potential.  Yes, he had weapons to throw to but didn't seem like he had a very good OL or overall system.  So it is hard to know.  But with Daniels (who is the likely option at #3), he is 23 years old and you don't know if he can be even a decent NFL QB.  Fields will only be 25 in March.

I think the decision is more about what you think of Daniels than what you think of Fields.  Again, if you believe Daniels is the real deal, then pick him.  That is easy.  But if you are not sold on Daniels, maybe trading back is a better option than using such a high pick on a WR or OT.

Fields isn’t that young. He’s going into year 4. If the floor is a decent starting QB, why are the Bears more than likely moving on from him? Chicago isn’t a great team, but they have more talent on offense than the Pats do. Not sure how Fields is going to  play better with worse talent.

I want the Pats to draft the player who’s virtually a can’t miss prospect and that is MHJ. This isn’t a one year rebuild. Also, not a great QB class. I’d guess that 1 out of the top 4 taken make it in the league. There are no Joe Burrows.  Let’s take the guy that is basically a sure thing. Also, he will more than likely be the best WR the Pats have ever drafted. Can grab a QB in the later rounds or in next years draft. You need elite receivers to win in todays NFL.

because a decent starting QB is not an elite starting QB and Williams can be elite.

Yeah, I don’t see it. Feel like Fields was a better looking prospect coming out of college than Williams is.

That’s a pretty aggressive position you’re taking there.  I’d probably keep Fields and take the mammoth offer they should get for Williams if I were the Bears, but Caleb is definitely the superior draft prospect of the two.  Are you trying to out-Moranis Moranis?

Yeah, Williams has pretty much been the consensus #1 pick all year.  Fields was never in that breath.  My concern with Williams is what he has between his two ears.  Some questionable character stories out there although some of it could simply be planted stories.

That being said, Kingsbury is now with the Commandeers.  Wouldn't mind seeing how much the Bears could extort from Washington for that #1 pick.  Hell, they could make that trade then trade down again from #2 and absolutely load up on capital.

Williams has been the consensus #1 pick for 2 years and Maye has always been right behind him.  They would have each gone 1 last year had they been eligible.  That level of prospect rarely fails.  I actually couldn't come up with one that totally busted out. They simply don't come along that often and they haven't really failed either.