Patriots 2023 Season

[ozgod]

So Jerod's Coordinator Big Three is:

[SparzWizard]

Finally, some names that I am not familiar with (meaning none that I've famously heard of from the Belichick tree).

Now let's see what these guys are made of

[ozgod]

Finally, some names that I am not familiar with (meaning none that I've famously heard of from the Belichick tree).

Now let's see what these guys are made of

Covington is from the Belichick tree

Covington is entering his eighth season overall with New England in 2024 after serving as the defensive line coach for the last four seasons (2020-23). He served as outside linebackers coach in 2019 after two seasons as a coaching assistant (2017-18). The Patriots defense finished in the top 10 in four of his five seasons as a position coach. Last season, the Patriots defense finished fourth against the run, allowing 93.2 yards per game, the team's best finish since allowing 88.6 yards per game in 2016. The Patriots defense allowed 3.3 yards per rush, the lowest in the NFL in 2023 and the lowest mark for the Patriots since the 1970 merger.

Covington originally joined New England in 2017 after spending the 2016 season as co-defensive coordinator and defensive line coach at Eastern Illinois. Prior to his time at Eastern Illinois, Covington coached the defensive line at University of Tennessee-Martin in 2015. He spent two seasons (2013-14) as a defensive graduate assistant at Ole Miss, and in 2012, he served as a defensive graduate assistant at the University of Alabama-Birmingham.

https://www.patriots.com/news/patriots-announce-new-group-of-coordinators

[johnnygreen]

Not a good start to the post Belichick era. Seriously, there is no salary cap for coaching, so why did the team relegate itself to interviewing the candidates that they did? Was it simply because they would cost less than more experienced coaches? Don't tell me it's because of the lack of talent on the team. Good coaches would have come here if you simply paid them their respective market value. I still maintain, Robert Kraft is part of the problem. A few years ago, Bill mentioned he had to work with a budget. Let me translate, The owner didn't want to spend more than was necessary.

[BitterJim]

Not a good start to the post Belichick era. Seriously, there is no salary cap for coaching, so why did the team relegate itself to interviewing the candidates that they did? Was it simply because they would cost less than more experienced coaches? Don't tell me it's because of the lack of talent on the team. Good coaches would have come here if you simply paid them their respective market value. I still maintain, Robert Kraft is part of the problem. A few years ago, Bill mentioned he had to work with a budget. Let me translate, The owner didn't want to spend more than was necessary.

Or maybe they think that these guys ARE good coaches. Being a bigger name doesn't necessarily mean you're better

[Phantom255x]

There already seems to be rumblings that the Pats will take a tackle with their first round pick.

IF the Pats aren't sold on Maye/Daniels... then I would really consider trading #3 to Chicago for #9, Justin Fields, and another future 3rd or 4th rounder.

1. Use #9 on a OT (Alt or Fashanu).

2. Either trade up with #34 to get back into the late 1st and take Penix OR just use #34 on a WR.

3. Keep Bourne, Onwenu, Henry

4. Use a 5th round pick on Reichard to replace Chad Ryland as kicker. Yes, it's risky like Ryland but Reichard was a beast in college and should be there in the 5th round + this team can not just roll Ryland back out there. They need a kicker. I guess they could sign a veteran name but idk who is out there.

Yes, Fields has his flaws, but again, he's still a young prospect who has shown improvement, has mobility, and could serve as a bridge for 2024 because absolutely no way do I want Mac and Zappe back on this team. If you aren't sold on Maye/Daniels, this makes a lot of sense IMO.

Brissett meanwhile could still be signed as a solid backup, maybe around 6-8M (not egregious). I know people suggest that we just go acquire a veteran QB like Cousins/Mayfield/Murray, etc. but those guys are either staying put or making bank. No way the Pats are splurging big money on a FA QB. In that regard, Minshew and Brissett feel like the only realistic options as bridge QBs or backups.

[Donoghus]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

[Neurotic Guy]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Unless Pats braintrust truly believes in Jaylen Daniels (or Maye if he falls to 3), the right move would be trade down a few for a premier LT and some draft capital. 

Edit: Given the potential interest in MHJ or Daniels at 3, what do you all think Pats could get in draft capital by moving down to the 7-10 range?

[Goldstar88]

Not long ago, there were eight head coaching vacancies in the NFL.

They’ve all been filled over the last few weeks, and none of the new coaches are named Bill Belichick.

There are several reasons for this, according to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe. Howe spelled out three of the big ones in a recent column.

“Three primary reasons were echoed by numerous league sources,” Howe wrote.” Belichick’s mishandling of the Patriots’ quarterback situation in recent years, his desire to maintain total control of football operations and a growing concern over the coach’s ability to relate to this generation of players.”

Howe said the way players want to be coached has changed, and there are concerns whether Belichick’s style will allow him to connect with current players.

“The latest wave of new-age coaches doesn’t have as much of an authoritarian complex, demanding players do everything they say simply because they’re their bosses,” Howe said. “Players want to know why they’re doing things, whether it’s the weightlifting schedule or a schematic technique, and coaches who can deliver their message in such a way have become more appealing.”

[Phantom255x]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Unless Pats braintrust truly believes in Jaylen Daniels (or Maye if he falls to 3), the right move would be trade down a few for a premier LT and some draft capital. 

Edit: Given the potential interest in MHJ or Daniels at 3, what do you all think Pats could get in draft capital by moving down to the 7-10 range?

If they traded down to 7-10, I think there's a great chance they could get back 7-10, a 2nd round pick AND a future 1st or 2nd rounder.

FWIW Phil Perry did a second mock draft recently and how he basically has it is:

Patriots trade #68 in the draft for Justin Fields outright. Pats then trade #3 to Atlanta for #8, #43 and a 2025 Atlanta 1st. Pats take Odunze at #8, and then the Patriots trade #34 + #43 for #16 from Seattle and use #16 to take OT Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-justin-fields-rome-odunze-tyler-guyton/584638/

[ozgod]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Given Trent Williams is the player that, based on analytics, most contributes to winning for the 49ers, I would definitely agree.

[Neurotic Guy]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Unless Pats braintrust truly believes in Jaylen Daniels (or Maye if he falls to 3), the right move would be trade down a few for a premier LT and some draft capital. 

Edit: Given the potential interest in MHJ or Daniels at 3, what do you all think Pats could get in draft capital by moving down to the 7-10 range?

If they traded down to 7-10, I think there's a great chance they could get back 7-10, a 2nd round pick AND a future 1st or 2nd rounder.

FWIW Phil Perry did a second mock draft recently and how he basically has it is:

Patriots trade #68 in the draft for Justin Fields outright. Pats then trade #3 to Atlanta for #8, #43 and a 2025 Atlanta 1st. Pats take Odunze at #8, and then the Patriots trade #34 + #43 for #16 from Seattle and use #16 to take OT Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-justin-fields-rome-odunze-tyler-guyton/584638/

TP for the responses and the resource!   That or a variation sounds perfect.  Of course depends on one’s belief in Fields - at least as an adequate bridge QB.  That a WR upgrade, a pretty sure OT, and a (hopefully) decent QB.  And still have lots of cap space, 2024 picks, and a possible sweet 2025 #1. Just having an extra team to watch (Atlanta) next year adds a great dimension to the season.

[byennie]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Unless Pats braintrust truly believes in Jaylen Daniels (or Maye if he falls to 3), the right move would be trade down a few for a premier LT and some draft capital. 

Edit: Given the potential interest in MHJ or Daniels at 3, what do you all think Pats could get in draft capital by moving down to the 7-10 range?

If they traded down to 7-10, I think there's a great chance they could get back 7-10, a 2nd round pick AND a future 1st or 2nd rounder.

FWIW Phil Perry did a second mock draft recently and how he basically has it is:

Patriots trade #68 in the draft for Justin Fields outright. Pats then trade #3 to Atlanta for #8, #43 and a 2025 Atlanta 1st. Pats take Odunze at #8, and then the Patriots trade #34 + #43 for #16 from Seattle and use #16 to take OT Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-justin-fields-rome-odunze-tyler-guyton/584638/

I like this overall approach a lot. This draft is stacked at WR and OT, to the point that these guys might go 5/10 in another draft.

Personally, I wouldn't touch Fields much less waste a top-75 pick on him. Having an extra 1st rounder next year implies we could still move around and get our choice of Mccarthy / Nix / Penix for the next 4 years instead. Then you still have #68 which is good enough for a top-3 RB or TE in the draft, or *another* OT.

[Phantom255x]

It’s not a shiny new toy like a QB or WR but a cornerstone LT is a huge huge piece for a rebuilding organization that pays a boatload of dividends down the road.

Unless Pats braintrust truly believes in Jaylen Daniels (or Maye if he falls to 3), the right move would be trade down a few for a premier LT and some draft capital. 

Edit: Given the potential interest in MHJ or Daniels at 3, what do you all think Pats could get in draft capital by moving down to the 7-10 range?

If they traded down to 7-10, I think there's a great chance they could get back 7-10, a 2nd round pick AND a future 1st or 2nd rounder.

FWIW Phil Perry did a second mock draft recently and how he basically has it is:

Patriots trade #68 in the draft for Justin Fields outright. Pats then trade #3 to Atlanta for #8, #43 and a 2025 Atlanta 1st. Pats take Odunze at #8, and then the Patriots trade #34 + #43 for #16 from Seattle and use #16 to take OT Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/2024-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-justin-fields-rome-odunze-tyler-guyton/584638/

I like this overall approach a lot. This draft is stacked at WR and OT, to the point that these guys might go 5/10 in another draft.

Personally, I wouldn't touch Fields much less waste a top-75 pick on him. Having an extra 1st rounder next year implies we could still move around and get our choice of Mccarthy / Nix / Penix for the next 4 years instead. Then you still have #68 which is good enough for a top-3 RB or TE in the draft, or *another* OT.

Yeah it's a loaded WR/OT draft. One of the experts even said there's like 11 OTs who are likely going to go within the Top-50 picks.

Personally I'm just not high at all on Nix or McCarthy. Penix I'm a little higher on but not much, and frankly he strikes me as that guy who "rises" because a team is very QB-needy and there's always those 1 or 2 QBs who rise last minute. That scares me a bit. Otherwise I'd be fine taking him in the 2nd round. Fields is probably not elite or a franchise guy either but I'd be intrigued with him at least. He did show improvement in 2023 and is a dual-threat guy which the league is trending towards. The Bears also have a lot of other issues around them so it wasn't all his fault.

We'll see what the Pats do. Maybe they simply just love Maye or Daniels and take them at #3. Or maybe they take MHJ at #3, and trade some future picks (including the 2nd rounder) to trade up and take an OT mid to late in the 1st round.

[Moranis]

Steve Belichick took the DC job at U of Washington.  Be curious to see how he does outside his dad's shadow