Patriots 2023 Season

[green_bballers13]

Pat MacAfee at Army-Navy game to Belichick: "I know you're going to hate this, but you are the greatest NFL head coach of all time, and greatest general manager of all time."

Just one person's opinion.

First part is true, but the second one...

Yeah, not sure about that one either. He was very good for years, but hasn't been good for close to a decade.

[Goldstar88]

So the Chiefs are 8-4 this year. They have the best QB in the league. If you put Mahomes on this Patriots team, how many wins do you think they would have?

Probably 7-6 right now. There have been a few games this season where the Pats have had a chance to win late early in the year and Mac + the offense couldn't do it. I think it's different if Mahomes is there. Plus I doubt Mahomes would be having the same hideous INTs as Mac and Zappe seem to do each week.

But that said, the entire operation is dysfunctional and the roster doesn't have much talent to begin with, so even with the best QB in the league (Mahomes) it's around .500. Frankly even with Brady it's probably 7-6 or 8-5. Solid, not great. We saw glimpses of it even in the 2019 season, the reason they started 8-0 was because they literally had an extremely cupcake schedule to start. But they finished that year 4-5 including the wild card loss. Mediocre O-Line, no weapons, lot of fundamental issues. Even  Brady knew in 2019 the team wasn't it.

To jump into a sea of sacrilege, I don’t see Brady as a better qb than Mahomes - for a season. Brady is the GOAT for a career, no doubt, but for a season - there are others who were equal, maybe better, at their respective peaks - Mahomes, Montana, Marino, Peyton,….

Brady is not the most talented, but he is the greatest. Mahomes doesn’t do nearly as well under pressure. Same goes for Rodgers. Those two are clearly more physically talented, but I’d take Brady over them every day of the week for his ability to perform when the game is on the line.

[BitterJim]

Pat MacAfee at Army-Navy game to Belichick: "I know you're going to hate this, but you are the greatest NFL head coach of all time, and greatest general manager of all time."

Just one person's opinion.

First part is true, but the second one...

Yeah, not sure about that one either. He was very good for years, but hasn't been good for close to a decade.

Yeah, he only built 3 Super Bowl winning teams in the past decade. What a crappy GM 

[Neurotic Guy]

Pat MacAfee at Army-Navy game to Belichick: "I know you're going to hate this, but you are the greatest NFL head coach of all time, and greatest general manager of all time."

Just one person's opinion.

First part is true, but the second one...

Yeah, not sure about that one either. He was very good for years, but hasn't been good for close to a decade.

Yeah, he only built 3 Super Bowl winning teams in the past decade. What a crappy GM 

This!   20 years and 9 SB appearances/ 6 wins.  We all get the Brady thing, but If you are gonna say no to this GM, then who is the GOAT?

[SparzWizard]

Pat MacAfee at Army-Navy game to Belichick: "I know you're going to hate this, but you are the greatest NFL head coach of all time, and greatest general manager of all time."

Just one person's opinion.

What a bum lol

[Moranis]

So the Chiefs are 8-4 this year. They have the best QB in the league. If you put Mahomes on this Patriots team, how many wins do you think they would have?

Probably 7-6 right now. There have been a few games this season where the Pats have had a chance to win late early in the year and Mac + the offense couldn't do it. I think it's different if Mahomes is there. Plus I doubt Mahomes would be having the same hideous INTs as Mac and Zappe seem to do each week.

But that said, the entire operation is dysfunctional and the roster doesn't have much talent to begin with, so even with the best QB in the league (Mahomes) it's around .500. Frankly even with Brady it's probably 7-6 or 8-5. Solid, not great. We saw glimpses of it even in the 2019 season, the reason they started 8-0 was because they literally had an extremely cupcake schedule to start. But they finished that year 4-5 including the wild card loss. Mediocre O-Line, no weapons, lot of fundamental issues. Even  Brady knew in 2019 the team wasn't it.

To jump into a sea of sacrilege, I don’t see Brady as a better qb than Mahomes - for a season. Brady is the GOAT for a career, no doubt, but for a season - there are others who were equal, maybe better, at their respective peaks - Mahomes, Montana, Marino, Peyton,….

Brady is not the most talented, but he is the greatest. Mahomes doesn’t do nearly as well under pressure. Same goes for Rodgers. Those two are clearly more physically talented, but I’d take Brady over them every day of the week for his ability to perform when the game is on the line.

Ah yes because Mahomes doesn't have any game winning drives in the playoffs.  I mean even the game Brady beat him in NE, Mahomes was unbelievable down the stretch.  Brady threw an INT with 8 minutes left and NE up 17-14.  2 plays, KC TD to take the lead 21-17.  Brady drives the Pats for a TD taking over 4 minutes off the clock, NE up 24-21.  68 yards and a minute and a half later, KC TD to go back up 28-24.  65 yards and a minute twelve later, NE goes back up 31-28 with 39 seconds left.  In 2 plays, KC gets into FG range and on 2nd down with 11 seconds left, KC ties it up.  NE wins the toss in OT and Brady takes them down the field for the win.  So Mahomes toe to toe with Brady, NE just won the toss to win the game.

Next season in the Superbowl, KC is down 20-10 entering the 4th quarter and that was still the score with just over 6 minutes left in the game.  The final 31-20 and KC wins the title.  They lost to Tampa pretty badly the next season, but 2 years ago in the AFC title game was the epic Bills game.  You know the one where Mahomes got them into FG range with 13 seconds left to tie it up.  And that was after what could have been the game winning drive with KC scoring a TD with a minute left only for the defense to give the lead back up.  The next game, KC was losing by 3 and got the ball with just over 6 minutes left.  Mahomes drove them down the field and they kicked the tying FG with 3 seconds left, though they did get stopped in OT and lost to the Bengals in OT. Last year in the Bengals rematch, game is tied, KC gets the ball with 30 seconds left at around mid-field.  They kicked the game winning FG on 1st down from the 27 w/ 8 seconds left.  Then he followed it up in the Superbowl with another game winning FG drive, which was kicked with 11 seconds left after the Chiefs ate up essentially the final 5 minutes of the game. 

Brady was awesome in the clutch, but so is Mahomes.  I'm not sure who I'd take if I needed a drive to win a game.  Can't really go wrong with either.  Brady was a bit more accurate and didn't take the risks to the degee Mahomes does, but Mahomes is more mobile and provides that athletic running wrinkle that Brady never did.

[green_bballers13]

Pat MacAfee at Army-Navy game to Belichick: "I know you're going to hate this, but you are the greatest NFL head coach of all time, and greatest general manager of all time."

Just one person's opinion.

First part is true, but the second one...

Yeah, not sure about that one either. He was very good for years, but hasn't been good for close to a decade.

Yeah, he only built 3 Super Bowl winning teams in the past decade. What a crappy GM 

You are right and I was wrong.

I saw the infographic Thur night about the Patriots first round picks over the last 10 years, and it was ugly. Of course that isn't the entirety of his job. I'd say he hasn't done a good job since Brady left, including his decision to move on from Brady. He was a GM at a higher level for longer than anyone else.

[SparzWizard]

The New England Patriots have been eliminated from playoff contention as of this afternoon. 

[Phantom255x]

The New England Patriots have been eliminated from playoff contention as of this afternoon. 

[Neurotic Guy]

Not that it should matter too much, but I’m hoping the Bills can top the Chiefs. Keep Buffalo in the playoff hunt and also make next week an important game for KC. Denver’s win similarly important.

[Phantom255x]

Not that it should matter too much, but I’m hoping the Bills can top the Chiefs. Keep Buffalo in the playoff hunt and also make next week an important game for KC. Denver’s win similarly important.

I think we're gonna have to hope KC's defense can limit our offense. Because our defense is pretty good and KC looks off even with Mahomes. Wouldn't be surprised if this is actually a low-scoring game even by Chiefs standards, maybe around 21-13 or 20-10.

[Goldstar88]

According to NBC Sports Boston’s Tom E. Curran, the decision about Belichick’s future has already been made by team owner Robert Kraft.

Speaking during a Monday interview on the Arbella Early Edition program, Curran explained the timeline and details of what he’d heard. Asked if there was a chance Belichick could keep his job with the Patriots beyond the current season, he spelled it out.

“When they came out of [the 10-6 loss to the Colts on Nov. 12 in] Germany, conversations I had that week made it very clear that a decision was made,” said Curran. “They were going to play out the string, and at the end of the year, there would be a parting of the ways for a variety of reasons.”

Curran noted that an in-season firing was highly unlikely, and that Belichick — reportedly under contract for one more year after 2023 — remains a piece the Patriots could deal away.

Having acquired him in a trade with the Jets in 2000, New England could still try to leverage the best return possible if other teams show interest.

Ultimately, Curran claimed that Belichick is beyond the point where he could save his job with the Patriots once the 2023 season ends.

“It had gone too far,” he explained. “The Germany game. The Commanders game. The Saints game. All huge, marquee games. And then there was the Chargers game after that.”

All of those games ended with the Patriots losing, a string of defeats that may have pushed Kraft toward a less lenient stance with the team’s longtime coach.

“Just because they won last week in Pittsburgh in primetime, I don’t think it quells anything.”

[footey]

According to NBC Sports Boston’s Tom E. Curran, the decision about Belichick’s future has already been made by team owner Robert Kraft.

Speaking during a Monday interview on the Arbella Early Edition program, Curran explained the timeline and details of what he’d heard. Asked if there was a chance Belichick could keep his job with the Patriots beyond the current season, he spelled it out.

“When they came out of [the 10-6 loss to the Colts on Nov. 12 in] Germany, conversations I had that week made it very clear that a decision was made,” said Curran. “They were going to play out the string, and at the end of the year, there would be a parting of the ways for a variety of reasons.”

Curran noted that an in-season firing was highly unlikely, and that Belichick — reportedly under contract for one more year after 2023 — remains a piece the Patriots could deal away.

Having acquired him in a trade with the Jets in 2000, New England could still try to leverage the best return possible if other teams show interest.

Ultimately, Curran claimed that Belichick is beyond the point where he could save his job with the Patriots once the 2023 season ends.

“It had gone too far,” he explained. “The Germany game. The Commanders game. The Saints game. All huge, marquee games. And then there was the Chargers game after that.”

All of those games ended with the Patriots losing, a string of defeats that may have pushed Kraft toward a less lenient stance with the team’s longtime coach.

“Just because they won last week in Pittsburgh in primetime, I don’t think it quells anything.”

Kraft is nothing wtihout Tom and Bill. Nothing.  He should be careful what he wishes for.

[SparzWizard]

According to NBC Sports Boston’s Tom E. Curran, the decision about Belichick’s future has already been made by team owner Robert Kraft.

Speaking during a Monday interview on the Arbella Early Edition program, Curran explained the timeline and details of what he’d heard. Asked if there was a chance Belichick could keep his job with the Patriots beyond the current season, he spelled it out.

“When they came out of [the 10-6 loss to the Colts on Nov. 12 in] Germany, conversations I had that week made it very clear that a decision was made,” said Curran. “They were going to play out the string, and at the end of the year, there would be a parting of the ways for a variety of reasons.”

Curran noted that an in-season firing was highly unlikely, and that Belichick — reportedly under contract for one more year after 2023 — remains a piece the Patriots could deal away.

Having acquired him in a trade with the Jets in 2000, New England could still try to leverage the best return possible if other teams show interest.

Ultimately, Curran claimed that Belichick is beyond the point where he could save his job with the Patriots once the 2023 season ends.

“It had gone too far,” he explained. “The Germany game. The Commanders game. The Saints game. All huge, marquee games. And then there was the Chargers game after that.”

All of those games ended with the Patriots losing, a string of defeats that may have pushed Kraft toward a less lenient stance with the team’s longtime coach.

“Just because they won last week in Pittsburgh in primetime, I don’t think it quells anything.”

Kraft is nothing wtihout Tom and Bill. Nothing.  He should be careful what he wishes for.

Belichick is nothing without Tom. It's time for Kraft to break this apart and clean the house. Get rid of Belichick and all of the personnel that are personally under him or affiliated with him. Time to bring in some fresh new blood and a change of culture.

[Vermont Green]

I think firing Belichick is going to be a step back, maybe a necessary one, but the short term result is going to be getting worse, not better.  I hope everyone is prepared for that.

If I was Kraft, I would give him one more season.  I have said all along and still believe that this team is not that far off.  Teams can look really bad right up to when things kind of click and the team is good.  It even happened when Brady was here. 

I remember getting totally blown out by KC on a Monday night in 2014.  I think it was the 4th game of the season and it looked like the team was horrible.  Then things clicked and we ended up winning the Super Bowl.

We have a very good defense, even with probably our two best players injured, that is a good start.  I think the OL is just a player or 2 away, we can draft one and maybe sign one.  Maybe draft a receiver, I don't think you need to have superstar receivers, just good solid receivers.  Missing of course is a good QB.  That will probably take more than 1 season to solve but I still trust Bill to build the "infrastructure" of the team and then hand it over to someone to hopefully develop a new young QB.