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Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2023, 03:26:57 PM »

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He's a career 37% FG. Lowest in the league last year.

Yeah.  I had a post about how bad Killian Hayes is, but I must have deleted it before posting.  He's bad a 2PT shooting, 3PT shooting, getting to the line, rebounding.  He's got a fairly high turnover percentage.  In terms of advanced stats, he's been one of the worst players in the league for three straight years, whether it be in terms of VORP, WS, BPM, etc.

Assist to turnover ratio is better than Kyrie, Quickley, Maxey, Smart, Garland, Brogdon...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio

What's that prove?

He's a lousy scorer, a lousy shooter, a lousy rebounder, a lousy defender (top-20 in the NBA in personal fouls), he's lousy at getting to the line.  He's one of the worst players in the NBA.

He puts up slightly decent assist numbers on a lousy team.

That is all why he'd be a buy low candidate.

We'd be paying $7,413,955 for a minimum salary player, though. 


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Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2023, 03:40:38 PM »

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He's a career 37% FG. Lowest in the league last year.

Yeah.  I had a post about how bad Killian Hayes is, but I must have deleted it before posting.  He's bad a 2PT shooting, 3PT shooting, getting to the line, rebounding.  He's got a fairly high turnover percentage.  In terms of advanced stats, he's been one of the worst players in the league for three straight years, whether it be in terms of VORP, WS, BPM, etc.

Assist to turnover ratio is better than Kyrie, Quickley, Maxey, Smart, Garland, Brogdon...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio

What's that prove?

He's a lousy scorer, a lousy shooter, a lousy rebounder, a lousy defender (top-20 in the NBA in personal fouls), he's lousy at getting to the line.  He's one of the worst players in the NBA.

He puts up slightly decent assist numbers on a lousy team.

That is all why he'd be a buy low candidate.

We'd be paying $7,413,955 for a minimum salary player, though.

But he's 22. It's like getting an extra draft pick. We'd pay him for one year and have Bird rights while saving almost a million this year.
We'd save 2 million due to tax.

Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2023, 04:00:43 PM »

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He's a career 37% FG. Lowest in the league last year.

Yeah.  I had a post about how bad Killian Hayes is, but I must have deleted it before posting.  He's bad a 2PT shooting, 3PT shooting, getting to the line, rebounding.  He's got a fairly high turnover percentage.  In terms of advanced stats, he's been one of the worst players in the league for three straight years, whether it be in terms of VORP, WS, BPM, etc.

Assist to turnover ratio is better than Kyrie, Quickley, Maxey, Smart, Garland, Brogdon...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio

What's that prove?

He's a lousy scorer, a lousy shooter, a lousy rebounder, a lousy defender (top-20 in the NBA in personal fouls), he's lousy at getting to the line.  He's one of the worst players in the NBA.

He puts up slightly decent assist numbers on a lousy team.

That is all why he'd be a buy low candidate.

We'd be paying $7,413,955 for a minimum salary player, though.

But he's 22. It's like getting an extra draft pick. We'd pay him for one year and have Bird rights while saving almost a million this year.
We'd save 2 million due to tax.

No we wouldn’t save anything because we’d have to sign two players to replace Kornet and Champagnie on the roster, since we have to have at least 14 players.

The picks should come the other way at a minimum, but really we should just keep and play Pritchard.  And sign Diallo to the minimum.

Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2023, 04:08:02 PM »

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He's a career 37% FG. Lowest in the league last year.

Yeah.  I had a post about how bad Killian Hayes is, but I must have deleted it before posting.  He's bad a 2PT shooting, 3PT shooting, getting to the line, rebounding.  He's got a fairly high turnover percentage.  In terms of advanced stats, he's been one of the worst players in the league for three straight years, whether it be in terms of VORP, WS, BPM, etc.

Assist to turnover ratio is better than Kyrie, Quickley, Maxey, Smart, Garland, Brogdon...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio

What's that prove?

He's a lousy scorer, a lousy shooter, a lousy rebounder, a lousy defender (top-20 in the NBA in personal fouls), he's lousy at getting to the line.  He's one of the worst players in the NBA.

He puts up slightly decent assist numbers on a lousy team.

That is all why he'd be a buy low candidate.

We'd be paying $7,413,955 for a minimum salary player, though.

But he's 22. It's like getting an extra draft pick. We'd pay him for one year and have Bird rights while saving almost a million this year.
We'd save 2 million due to tax.

No we wouldn’t save anything because we’d have to sign two players to replace Kornet and Champagnie on the roster, since we have to have at least 14 players.

The picks should come the other way at a minimum, but really we should just keep and play Pritchard.  And sign Diallo to the minimum.

I don't think Diallo would play here. Diallo makes Hayes look like Steph. 58% FT...

Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2023, 04:26:00 PM »

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He's a career 37% FG. Lowest in the league last year.

Yeah.  I had a post about how bad Killian Hayes is, but I must have deleted it before posting.  He's bad a 2PT shooting, 3PT shooting, getting to the line, rebounding.  He's got a fairly high turnover percentage.  In terms of advanced stats, he's been one of the worst players in the league for three straight years, whether it be in terms of VORP, WS, BPM, etc.

Assist to turnover ratio is better than Kyrie, Quickley, Maxey, Smart, Garland, Brogdon...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio

What's that prove?

He's a lousy scorer, a lousy shooter, a lousy rebounder, a lousy defender (top-20 in the NBA in personal fouls), he's lousy at getting to the line.  He's one of the worst players in the NBA.

He puts up slightly decent assist numbers on a lousy team.

That is all why he'd be a buy low candidate.

We'd be paying $7,413,955 for a minimum salary player, though.

But he's 22. It's like getting an extra draft pick. We'd pay him for one year and have Bird rights while saving almost a million this year.
We'd save 2 million due to tax.

No we wouldn’t save anything because we’d have to sign two players to replace Kornet and Champagnie on the roster, since we have to have at least 14 players.

The picks should come the other way at a minimum, but really we should just keep and play Pritchard.  And sign Diallo to the minimum.

I don't think Diallo would play here. Diallo makes Hayes look like Steph. 58% FT...

He’s a minimum-salary type who would probably not play a lot, so of course he has warts.  But he survives his poor shooting by being an athletic defender, a strong rebounder for his position, a decent passer, and an elite finisher at the rim.  And because of his shot selection and capabilities in the paint, his true shooting is a very good .593, compared to Hayes’ completely abysmal .455.

He’s a weird player but he’s a free agent.  We should kick the tires.

Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2023, 06:25:15 PM »

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I'd do Hayes for PP, Champagnie and Kornet and a couple of seconds.
I wouldn't trade Pritchard for him straight up. Dude is genuinely awful.
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Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2023, 06:27:18 PM »

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Diallo would be a much better target. More versatile, better athlete, better defender.

Hayes should go the Dennis Smith Jr. route and try to reinvent himself as a defensive specialist, because offence is just not his thing
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Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2023, 08:44:06 PM »

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After 3 years in the league, Hayes is only 22. Why would the Pistons draft a guy with the 7th pick and sell him "low" before he's 25? If he continues to stink, they can resign him for little money or let him go to FA. If he shines, their investment paid off. The worst possible scenario for the Pistons management is that they cut cord on him early before he takes off on a different team. The Billups-Kenny Anderson trade comes to mind.
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Re: I'd buy low on Killian Hayes.
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2023, 07:43:09 AM »

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After 3 years in the league, Hayes is only 22. Why would the Pistons draft a guy with the 7th pick and sell him "low" before he's 25? If he continues to stink, they can resign him for little money or let him go to FA. If he shines, their investment paid off. The worst possible scenario for the Pistons management is that they cut cord on him early before he takes off on a different team. The Billups-Kenny Anderson trade comes to mind.

That came to my mind too. I read that the Pistons wanted to get rid of him. He seems like a good buy low guy.