Report: Lillard requests trade

[Vermont Green]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

[Moranis]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that. 

[Sketch5]

Portland wants two good players and 4 first rounders? Who do they thing they have, Chelsea Clinton?

[SHAQATTACK]

Portland wants two good players and 4 first rounders? Who do they thing they have, Chelsea Clinton?

Yuk

[celticsclay]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I like you trade idea and would be excited if it happened, but I’m confused how you think white is in his mid 20’s or fits the timeline fine of scoot. He is 29 and literally 10 years older than scoot (brogdon is also just a year and a half older than white)

[Vermont Green]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I get all that.  The two basic trade ideas that the Celtics could offer is Brown + some more matching + no draft capital or Brogdon + several more + picks.  MIA can offer Herro + Robinson + picks.  I think POR is going to want Brogdon and White even less than they want Herro and Robinson.  Things can be worked out with 3rd teams but I don't think there is any chance for a POR-BOS deal unless Brown is involved.  And some have been arguing that POR would not want Brown without some kind of contract "understanding", which isn't going to happen.

For me, I think the Celtics are actually better off if we trade Brown for Lillard over trading essentially all our depth.  A big 3 of Lillard-Tatum-Porzingis is formidable, even if a shorter window regarding Lillard.  Lillard offers ball handling and some other things that would complement Tatum better than what Brown can do.  But this is highly unlikely to happen

[Kernewek]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I like you trade idea and would be excited if it happened, but I’m confused how you think white is in his mid 20’s or fits the timeline fine of scoot. He is 29 and literally 10 years older than scoot (brogdon is also just a year and a half older than white)

I don't want to speak for Moranis but I would guess the mistake stems from the fact that it's only White's fifth year in the NBA?

[Moranis]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I like you trade idea and would be excited if it happened, but I’m confused how you think white is in his mid 20’s or fits the timeline fine of scoot. He is 29 and literally 10 years older than scoot (brogdon is also just a year and a half older than white)

I don't want to speak for Moranis but I would guess the mistake stems from the fact that it's only White's fifth year in the NBA?

yes. I thought he was more like 27, but didn't check.  He should still have a good amount of prime left given his experience though.

[Moranis]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I get all that.  The two basic trade ideas that the Celtics could offer is Brown + some more matching + no draft capital or Brogdon + several more + picks.  MIA can offer Herro + Robinson + picks.  I think POR is going to want Brogdon and White even less than they want Herro and Robinson.  Things can be worked out with 3rd teams but I don't think there is any chance for a POR-BOS deal unless Brown is involved.  And some have been arguing that POR would not want Brown without some kind of contract "understanding", which isn't going to happen.

For me, I think the Celtics are actually better off if we trade Brown for Lillard over trading essentially all our depth.  A big 3 of Lillard-Tatum-Porzingis is formidable, even if a shorter window regarding Lillard.  Lillard offers ball handling and some other things that would complement Tatum better than what Brown can do.  But this is highly unlikely to happen

Boston has way more draft capital than the Heat though. So while you might prefer Herro to White and Rob, not at the expense of the 1st rounders.  And I added Rob and Nurkic to get Rob in the trade as I think he has solid value to a team like the Blazers who doesn't have a youngish big to build around. 

To your other point, I'd be fine trading Brown for Lillard.  I have proposed various versions of that for over a year.

[celticsclay]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I like you trade idea and would be excited if it happened, but I’m confused how you think white is in his mid 20’s or fits the timeline fine of scoot. He is 29 and literally 10 years older than scoot (brogdon is also just a year and a half older than white)

I don't want to speak for Moranis but I would guess the mistake stems from the fact that it's only White's fifth year in the NBA?

yes. I thought he was more like 27, but didn't check.  He should still have a good amount of prime left given his experience though.

Yeah, I don’t think he is going to fall off a cliff anytime soon but would be kind of a waste of his career to spend the next 3-4 years on a really long portland team with sharpe and scoot and next years lottery pick developing. He also had a pretty interesting college career which is why he is a bit older than we would guess https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/4/20/23688947/legend-derrick-white-boston-celtics-legend-high-uccs-colorado-springs-boulder-oreos-wisdom-teeth

[Neurotic Guy]

Part of me is wondering if Lillard and his agent are playing dirty for a selfish reason that isn't being talked about. They are obviously lowering his trade value by only wanting to go to "Miami". But is Lillard trying to lower his value, so the team that does trade for him, doesn't trade away too much. For instance, Boston may not have to include Jaylen. However, if Lillard didn't narrow his destination to Miami, then maybe Jaylen might have to be included.

You'd need to trade Brown, because you have to send enough salary back. It makes no sense (if even allowed) to let Porzingis go and we definitely don't want to lose Tatum. So it has to be Brown that has to go.
If you're going to make an offer around Brogdon then you have to add 1 or 2 other key players just to match salaries.

Lillard makes 45 million, it isn't a crazy amount.  Brogdon and White basically gets you there.

I'd probably do a Brown for Lillard trade, but I'd rather do something like this

Lillard, Nurkic

for

White, Brogdon, Williams, Pritchard, Kornet, 24 1st, Mem 1st, 26 1st

Have to get some veterans for the bench, but I'm all on board with this team

Starters - Lillard, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Nurkic
Rotation - Davison, Hauser, Brissett, Horford
Deep Bench - Walsh, Champagnie, Griffin, Banton

Team needs 2 quality vets for the rotation, but BY FAR the best starting 5 in the sport.

POR said they want 2 players and 4 picks. Not 5 players, most of which don’t fit their timeline or rebuild plan.  I don’t think POR picks up the phone unless Brown if part of the offer.

They are going to have to take filler, which is what Kornet is and Pritchard to a lesser extent.  And LIllard makes a lot of money, so they are going to have to take a huge contract (and likely bad one) or more lesser ones.  White and Williams are in their mid-20's.  They are fine on the timeline.  Brogdon is older, but they can easily flip him for expiring contracts and draft picks.  Probably could just call up the Clippers and do that trade.  I wouldn't let a future 1st be the hold up on Boston's end if they really needed a 4th one, I'd do that.

I like you trade idea and would be excited if it happened, but I’m confused how you think white is in his mid 20’s or fits the timeline fine of scoot. He is 29 and literally 10 years older than scoot (brogdon is also just a year and a half older than white)

I don't want to speak for Moranis but I would guess the mistake stems from the fact that it's only White's fifth year in the NBA?

yes. I thought he was more like 27, but didn't check.  He should still have a good amount of prime left given his experience though.

Yeah, I don’t think he is going to fall off a cliff anytime soon but would be kind of a waste of his career to spend the next 3-4 years on a really long portland team with sharpe and scoot and next years lottery pick developing. He also had a pretty interesting college career which is why he is a bit older than we would guess https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/4/20/23688947/legend-derrick-white-boston-celtics-legend-high-uccs-colorado-springs-boulder-oreos-wisdom-teeth

Hear me out on this question: 
How much of a drop off is DW from DL at the 1?

Ok - I’m not trying to suggest White is comparable to Lillard, but a serious question - how steep is the drop? And for how long?

I am actually pretty psyched to see Derrick start at point.  Great size, great IQ, decent distributor - moves the ball. Hits open looks; can drive, boards great at the position… and defends.  I also think he is a steadying presence on the court, respected and liked.  And durable!  He doesn’t have the generalship presence that Lillard has -  a leap behind there.  And doesn’t have the handle or passing skills - but he has skills. In 3 years DW could be the better player.

[Vermont Green]

Hear me out on this question: 
How much of a drop off is DW from DL at the 1?

Ok - I’m not trying to suggest White is comparable to Lillard, but a serious question - how steep is the drop? And for how long?

I am actually pretty psyched to see Derrick start at point.  Great size, great IQ, decent distributor - moves the ball. Hits open looks; can drive, boards great at the position… and defends.  I also think he is a steadying presence on the court, respected and liked.  And durable!  He doesn’t have the generalship presence that Lillard has -  a leap behind there.  And doesn’t have the handle or passing skills - but he has skills. In 3 years DW could be the better player.

But it isn't just White for Lillard.  The whole guard rotation is diminished.  It is:

Lillard + Davison + Scrap Heap Vet Min
vs.
White + Brogdon + Pritchard

And not just that.  The Center Rotation is impacted too:

Nurkic + Griffin (maybe?)
vs.
Williams + Kornet

And we thrown in 3 firsts also?  Thankfully, I think there is very little chance that this deal happens.  It is a bad deal for both teams.

[Who]

Maybe guys should lose their super-max deal if they get traded. Get put back on a normal max contract. Only get to keep their supermax if they stay with the same team throughout the contract.

[cman88]

https://www.blazersedge.com/2023/7/10/23790314/portland-trail-blazers-little-discussion-damian-lillard-miami-heat-trade

sounds like Blazers are buckling down and going to take their time. Good for them.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Maybe guys should lose their super-max deal if they get traded. Get put back on a normal max contract. Only get to keep their supermax if they stay with the same team throughout the contract.

For that to work I guess they'd need a no trade clause attached to it or some such.