Jaylen Brown Supermax

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Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

that is a different discussion, but to answer the question, injuries to other players is a big part of it.  I mean why didn't he make the team the year before? Maybe it was the 3 points more on 2.2 shots (a worse efficiency) or maybe guys like Durant, Towns, Morant, etc. played more games.

Or maybe Durant, Towns, and Morant all have passed the peak of their respective careers and won't make another 1st, or 2nd team all NBA.   Completely possible too.

[Celtics2021]

Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

that is a different discussion, but to answer the question, injuries to other players is a big part of it.  I mean why didn't he make the team the year before? Maybe it was the 3 points more on 2.2 shots (a worse efficiency) or maybe guys like Durant, Towns, Morant, etc. played more games.

Or maybe Durant, Towns, and Morant all have passed the peak of their respective careers and won't make another 1st, or 2nd team all NBA.   Completely possible too.

I think most teams would have preferred to have Jaylen Brown over Ja Morant last season and this upcoming season, for one.

[Moranis]

Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

that is a different discussion, but to answer the question, injuries to other players is a big part of it.  I mean why didn't he make the team the year before? Maybe it was the 3 points more on 2.2 shots (a worse efficiency) or maybe guys like Durant, Towns, Morant, etc. played more games.

Or maybe Durant, Towns, and Morant all have passed the peak of their respective careers and won't make another 1st, or 2nd team all NBA.   Completely possible too.

not reasonably possible though.  I mean Durant basically averaged 29/7/5 with solid defense last year.  He just played 47 games.  Now maybe he never hits the games again, but the production is still absolutely there.  Morant with his suspension probably doesn't get the games this year, but he went for 26/5/8 last year at age 23.  Towns only played in 29 injury riddled games, but he is still just 27. 

Injuries (and Morant's issues) opened the door for Brown, I don't expect him to repeat his place on the All NBA at all.  Maybe he surprises me and takes another jump, but it is far more likely he doesn't hit the All NBA next year than it is that he does. 

[Roy H.]

Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

that is a different discussion, but to answer the question, injuries to other players is a big part of it.  I mean why didn't he make the team the year before? Maybe it was the 3 points more on 2.2 shots (a worse efficiency) or maybe guys like Durant, Towns, Morant, etc. played more games.

Or maybe Durant, Towns, and Morant all have passed the peak of their respective careers and won't make another 1st, or 2nd team all NBA.   Completely possible too.

not reasonably possible though.  I mean Durant basically averaged 29/7/5 with solid defense last year.  He just played 47 games.  Now maybe he never hits the games again, but the production is still absolutely there.  Morant with his suspension probably doesn't get the games this year, but he went for 26/5/8 last year at age 23.  Towns only played in 29 injury riddled games, but he is still just 27. 

Injuries (and Morant's issues) opened the door for Brown, I don't expect him to repeat his place on the All NBA at all.  Maybe he surprises me and takes another jump, but it is far more likely he doesn't hit the All NBA next year than it is that he does.

If he doesn't, I guess we have to live with a 27 points / 7 rebounds / .550 eFG% guy who plays good defense.

The guy was 9th in the NBA in scoring.  If you want to ignore the minimum games requirement to qualify for the scoring title, he was still 13th.  He was also top-50 in rebounding, despite playing primarily SG.  He was top-70 in eFG% -- a stat dominated by bigs -- ahead of guys like Lebron and Bam (and also ahead of Booker, Murray, George, Harden, SGA and Tatum).

Players who averaged 26.6 points / 6.9 rebounds / .550eFG%:

Embiid
Luka
Giannis
Brown

[Celtics4ever]

I can live with that!

[Donoghus]

I can live with that!

I think most reasonable people can.

[Vermont Green]

This is why I don't think trying to rank Brown as top-whatever, matters.  Who would you rather offer a 5-year supermax contract to, Durant or Brown?  Harden or Brown?  Even LeBron or Brown?  How about Kawhi Leonard, you want to pay him for 5 more years?  You could go as far as Beal and Mitchell also and it would be a reasonable debate that Brown is better.

Comparisons to players like Sabonis, Adebayo, or Towns are hard, they are about the same age but play different positions.  But if you look at the Murray, Fox, Morant, Ingram, Lavine tier, it is still not definitive that any of these are better players than Brown.  You could make the argument that Murray or Lavine are better ball handlers and might in that way be a better complement to Tatum but that is not the same as saying they will be better players over the next 5 seasons.

I do not think that this Brown contract will become a bad contract.  It will seem bad to start, and then it won't.

[celticinorlando]

Celtics are in a bind. Can't trade him now because teams aren't going to take him if he isn't signed long term.

My guess is there is trade language Brown wants included. Money is pretty much set in stone.

[green_bballers13]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

[celticinorlando]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

I think it is more of the fact he has very poor handles, turns the ball over at the worst times, can't go left, makes some really head scratching decisions and dribbles himself into unneeded problems resulting in him taking really tough shots.

Even when Tatum got hurt in game 7 there was an opportunity for Brown to be the guy and he only had 19 points and eight rebounds, but he also tallied eight turnovers while shooting an ugly 8-of-23 from the field and 1-of-9 from deep. I need more than that from a guy that is going to get the largest contract this organization has ever seen.

I don't have any issues with him off the court.

[green_bballers13]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

I think it is more of the fact he has very poor handles, turns the ball over at the worst times, can't go left, makes some really head scratching decisions and dribbles himself into unneeded problems resulting in him taking really tough shots.

Even when Tatum got hurt in game 7 there was an opportunity for Brown to be the guy and he only had 19 points and eight rebounds, but he also tallied eight turnovers while shooting an ugly 8-of-23 from the field and 1-of-9 from deep. I need more than that from a guy that is going to get the largest contract this organization has ever seen.

I don't have any issues with him off the court.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think that he has been turnover prone, but I don't think he has very poor handles. I guess these are all opinions and we can see what we want to see.

[wiley]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

I think it is more of the fact he has very poor handles, turns the ball over at the worst times, can't go left, makes some really head scratching decisions and dribbles himself into unneeded problems resulting in him taking really tough shots.

Even when Tatum got hurt in game 7 there was an opportunity for Brown to be the guy and he only had 19 points and eight rebounds, but he also tallied eight turnovers while shooting an ugly 8-of-23 from the field and 1-of-9 from deep. I need more than that from a guy that is going to get the largest contract this organization has ever seen.

I don't have any issues with him off the court.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think that he has been turnover prone, but I don't think he has very poor handles. I guess these are all opinions and we can see what we want to see.

Agree he doesn't have poor handles.  It's the decision making in iso situations that causes all the turnovers.  He tries things that are meant for the practice gym, things that don't work against playoff caliber defense.
 
If he eases up on the level of difficulty that he goes for in the half court his turnovers will go way down and no will complain about his handle. 

[celticinorlando]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

I think it is more of the fact he has very poor handles, turns the ball over at the worst times, can't go left, makes some really head scratching decisions and dribbles himself into unneeded problems resulting in him taking really tough shots.

Even when Tatum got hurt in game 7 there was an opportunity for Brown to be the guy and he only had 19 points and eight rebounds, but he also tallied eight turnovers while shooting an ugly 8-of-23 from the field and 1-of-9 from deep. I need more than that from a guy that is going to get the largest contract this organization has ever seen.

I don't have any issues with him off the court.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think that he has been turnover prone, but I don't think he has very poor handles. I guess these are all opinions and we can see what we want to see.

My good friend is a Heat fan and he even brought up the fact Brown's handles were weak. I guess it is subjective but I hold my breath every time he has the ball in fear he is going to turn it over off the dribble.

I know Heat players said the game plan on Brown was to make him go left because if they could it was going to be problematic for Brown.

Will agree that for a really smart guy Brown makes some terrible decisions. Don't know if it is over confidence that he can get it done or he just struggles with the basketball IQ.

[wdleehi]

Celtics are in a bind. Can't trade him now because teams aren't going to take him if he isn't signed long term.

My guess is there is trade language Brown wants included. Money is pretty much set in stone.

Listening to a podcast this morning, that isn't the case.   The yearly raise is maxed out to 8%, but with the new TV money that will be coming in, the cap could go up more then that (the number used was 10% as an example).   So a trade kicker may be a piece of this.   

[green_bballers13]

I understand that $60m per year is a lot for any player.

What I don't understand is a relentless and purposeful attempt to discredit JB's achievements last year. It almost seems mean-spirited and political to me. I hope people can watch JB without getting sucked into a culture war.

I think it is more of the fact he has very poor handles, turns the ball over at the worst times, can't go left, makes some really head scratching decisions and dribbles himself into unneeded problems resulting in him taking really tough shots.

Even when Tatum got hurt in game 7 there was an opportunity for Brown to be the guy and he only had 19 points and eight rebounds, but he also tallied eight turnovers while shooting an ugly 8-of-23 from the field and 1-of-9 from deep. I need more than that from a guy that is going to get the largest contract this organization has ever seen.

I don't have any issues with him off the court.

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think that he has been turnover prone, but I don't think he has very poor handles. I guess these are all opinions and we can see what we want to see.

Agree he doesn't have poor handles.  It's the decision making in iso situations that causes all the turnovers.  He tries things that are meant for the practice gym, things that don't work against playoff caliber defense.
 
If he eases up on the level of difficulty that he goes for in the half court his turnovers will go way down and no will complain about his handle.

Agree. He's too aggressive at times, taking on 4 defenders individually. I think these moments are remembered more frequently than they actually occur.