Jaylen Brown Supermax

[Moranis]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

[cman88]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

just say you don't like brown and get it over with.  Apparently we are taking defense(and availability) out of the equation to put those guys above Brown. because half of them only play 1 side of the ball and the other half are constantly missing with injuries

[gouki88]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Listing guys who never play seems cheating

[cman88]

the way some talk on this board about Brown vs how they talk about Grant williams/smart you would be confused who was the player that averaged 26.6ppg on 49.1% shooting and 33.5% 3 point shooting.

[mobilija]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

Something that should be considered in this conversation about paying a "not top 20 player" the current biggest contract, is that there are several players "better" than Brown in ur list that no one would ever give that contract to (can u imagime someone giving the same contract to Harden or Lebron?). Age and durability should be a strong factor when considering top players in terms of contract.

Also noticed that you have Embiid and Harden as a better duo than Tatum and Brown. Aren't you a big proponent of best players win playoff series? I think you overrate Harden. Just saying.

[green_bballers13]

I'm using Moranis' list to figure to decide whether to give them a 5 year, $300m extension. I'm bolding those players where this would make sense.

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Durant, Embiid, Tatum, Lillard, Doncic, Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion, Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA, Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards, Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, and LaVine.

That means only 14 players are young enough and good enough to warrant such a large contract.

[Moranis]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

Something that should be considered in this conversation about paying a "not top 20 player" the current biggest contract, is that there are several players "better" than Brown in ur list that no one would ever give that contract to (can u imagime someone giving the same contract to Harden or Lebron?). Age and durability should be a strong factor when considering top players in terms of contract.

Also noticed that you have Embiid and Harden as a better duo than Tatum and Brown. Aren't you a big proponent of best players win playoff series? I think you overrate Harden. Just saying.

Sure but there are guys that can't sign for 35% who are better also

[Moranis]

I'm using Moranis' list to figure to decide whether to give them a 5 year, $300m extension. I'm bolding those players where this would make sense.

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Durant, Embiid, Tatum, Lillard, Doncic, Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion, Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA, Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards, Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, and LaVine.

That means only 14 players are young enough and good enough to warrant such a large contract.

If Brown is, then, Fox and Murray clearly are and so are Sabonis and Towns.  And guys like Haliburton are coming on fast.

[jambr380]

I'm using Moranis' list to figure to decide whether to give them a 5 year, $300m extension. I'm bolding those players where this would make sense.

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Durant, Embiid, Tatum, Lillard, Doncic, Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion, Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA, Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards, Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, and LaVine.

That means only 14 players are young enough and good enough to warrant such a large contract.

If Brown is, then, Fox and Murray clearly are and so are Sabonis and Towns.  And guys like Haliburton are coming on fast.

Haliburton for sure. IND would not make a Hali for Brown trade. And ORL wouldn't make a Paolo for Brown trade. So there's two more guys. And that isn't even taking into consideration Wemby.

But that is why I mentioned in my previous post that age and injuries are a consideration. It doesn't necessarily change Brown's ranking in the league, but it does change his current value (for the better mostly, but worse in some cases like the ones listed above).

[Neurotic Guy]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

I think #10 to 25 are interchangeable in terms of where they’re placed in a top 25 list. It’s opinion, and they’re all in a close enough ballpark doing different things with different coaches and different casts of characters around them. To say you think Trae is better than Brown is fine; for someone else to say Brown is better than Trae is also fine.  An opinion.  To say it isn’t close is just you agitating.

[mobilija]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

Something that should be considered in this conversation about paying a "not top 20 player" the current biggest contract, is that there are several players "better" than Brown in ur list that no one would ever give that contract to (can u imagime someone giving the same contract to Harden or Lebron?). Age and durability should be a strong factor when considering top players in terms of contract.

Also noticed that you have Embiid and Harden as a better duo than Tatum and Brown. Aren't you a big proponent of best players win playoff series? I think you overrate Harden. Just saying.

Sure but there are guys that can't sign for 35% who are better also

🤷‍♂️None of em can this year, except Brown. Isn't that kinda the point?

[Moranis]

I'm using Moranis' list to figure to decide whether to give them a 5 year, $300m extension. I'm bolding those players where this would make sense.

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Durant, Embiid, Tatum, Lillard, Doncic, Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion, Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA, Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards, Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, and LaVine.

That means only 14 players are young enough and good enough to warrant such a large contract.

If Brown is, then, Fox and Murray clearly are and so are Sabonis and Towns.  And guys like Haliburton are coming on fast.

Haliburton for sure. IND would not make a Hali for Brown trade. And ORL wouldn't make a Paolo for Brown trade. So there's two more guys. And that isn't even taking into consideration Wemby.

But that is why I mentioned in my previous post that age and injuries are a consideration. It doesn't necessarily change Brown's ranking in the league, but it does change his current value (for the better mostly, but worse in some cases like the ones listed above).

but it does make him signing that contract a bad contract, which is the point I've been making.  He isn't worth that contract.  Team has to give it to him, but he isn't worth it. 

[green_bballers13]

Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

[Moranis]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

I moved Beal back in my line below.  Young is the #1 guy in his team and took them to the ECF and the last 4 year has averaged 27.4, 9.7, and 3.7. He is better than Brown and it isn't particularly close. Harden is better because of his passing.  Excellent passer, solid scorer.  He is older and won't be there too much longer though.  Edwards keeps getting better with fairly similar stats, but is healthier.  George's injuries make him a bit hard to place, but he isn't that far removed from a season in which he finished 3rd in dpoy and 3rd in mvp voting.  Imo, they are all clearly better than Brown, which is why Inhave them a tier ahead of him.

Something that should be considered in this conversation about paying a "not top 20 player" the current biggest contract, is that there are several players "better" than Brown in ur list that no one would ever give that contract to (can u imagime someone giving the same contract to Harden or Lebron?). Age and durability should be a strong factor when considering top players in terms of contract.

Also noticed that you have Embiid and Harden as a better duo than Tatum and Brown. Aren't you a big proponent of best players win playoff series? I think you overrate Harden. Just saying.

Sure but there are guys that can't sign for 35% who are better also

🤷‍♂️None of em can this year, except Brown. Isn't that kinda the point?

I guess I wasn't clear, I'm saying they are guys who don't have the experience to sign for 35% that are better.  They haven't been in the league long enough.  So clearly better but unable to sign for 35% for years.

[Moranis]

Why did JB make 2nd team All NBA? Was this some type of conspiracy amongst 100 national sportswriters and broadcasters? There are some on here that think that he didn't deserve this accolade- why?

that is a different discussion, but to answer the question, injuries to other players is a big part of it.  I mean why didn't he make the team the year before? Maybe it was the 3 points more on 2.2 shots (a worse efficiency) or maybe guys like Durant, Towns, Morant, etc. played more games.