Jaylen Brown Supermax

[BitterJim]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/what-brad-stevens-is-still-looking-to-add-to-celtics-roster-this-offseason.html

Sounds like Brad wants another 4/3 type and wing backup.

exactly what I've been saying about the roster i.e. there is a role for Grant.  Letting him go for cap purposes is dumb.

There is a role for a Grant type*, but not for that salary. And that's the right move IMO, because that salary is too much for a player like him.

TJ Warren, JaMychal Green, Willy Hernangomez, Wenyen Gabriel, Darius Bazley & Javonte Green would all be able to contribute similarly IMO

Grant is better than all those players.  Sure they are all role players, but Grant is pretty clearly the best one.  12.4 million next year is not exactly breaking the bank.  He is absolutely worth that level of contract.  Brogdon makes 10 million more than Grant next year.  I'd say he is the guy who probably isn't worth the contract, especially with his injury concerns.  If salary needed to be saved, Brogdon should have been the guy to move, not Grant.

He is marginally better, but that’s all.

I would rather a 6MOTY for $22m than an 8th-9th guy for $12m

I'd rather have both than just the 6MOTY plus a minimum salary guy

[gouki88]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

I would do both of the below trades including Brown

Brooklyn
Boston gets: Bridges + O'Neale

Brooklyn gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Bridges / Brogdon
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / O'Neale
Porzingis / Williams 3

Orlando
Boston gets: Wagner + Carter Jr. + Harris

Orlando gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Wagner / Brogdon / Harris
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Horford
Carter Jr. / Williams 3

[gouki88]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/what-brad-stevens-is-still-looking-to-add-to-celtics-roster-this-offseason.html

Sounds like Brad wants another 4/3 type and wing backup.

exactly what I've been saying about the roster i.e. there is a role for Grant.  Letting him go for cap purposes is dumb.

There is a role for a Grant type*, but not for that salary. And that's the right move IMO, because that salary is too much for a player like him.

TJ Warren, JaMychal Green, Willy Hernangomez, Wenyen Gabriel, Darius Bazley & Javonte Green would all be able to contribute similarly IMO

Grant is better than all those players.  Sure they are all role players, but Grant is pretty clearly the best one.  12.4 million next year is not exactly breaking the bank.  He is absolutely worth that level of contract.  Brogdon makes 10 million more than Grant next year.  I'd say he is the guy who probably isn't worth the contract, especially with his injury concerns.  If salary needed to be saved, Brogdon should have been the guy to move, not Grant.

He is marginally better, but that’s all.

I would rather a 6MOTY for $22m than an 8th-9th guy for $12m

I'd rather have both than just the 6MOTY plus a minimum salary guy

Eh, I am not bothered by losing Grant at that money. I don't see him improving much

[Jvalin]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

I would do both of the below trades including Brown

Brooklyn
Boston gets: Bridges + O'Neale

Brooklyn gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Bridges / Brogdon
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / O'Neale
Porzingis / Williams 3

Orlando
Boston gets: Wagner + Carter Jr. + Harris

Orlando gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Wagner / Brogdon / Harris
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Horford
Carter Jr. / Williams 3

Wagner is a swing (SF-PF) rather than a wing (SF-SG). Standing at 6'9/6'10, he lacks the mobility to stay in front of explosive guards on D, but he has prototypical size for a small-ball 4. Him and Tatum would form an impressive duo at the swing positions.

[gouki88]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

I would do both of the below trades including Brown

Brooklyn
Boston gets: Bridges + O'Neale

Brooklyn gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Bridges / Brogdon
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / O'Neale
Porzingis / Williams 3

Orlando
Boston gets: Wagner + Carter Jr. + Harris

Orlando gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Wagner / Brogdon / Harris
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Horford
Carter Jr. / Williams 3

Wagner is a swing (SF-PF) rather than a wing (SF-SG). Standing at 6'9/6'10, he lacks the mobility to stay in front of explosive guards on D, but he has prototypical size for a small-ball 4. Him and Tatum would form an impassive duo at the swing positions.

Yeah, I am aware - just not sure Joe would go away from the dual bigs

[Jvalin]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

I would do both of the below trades including Brown

Brooklyn
Boston gets: Bridges + O'Neale

Brooklyn gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Bridges / Brogdon
Tatum / Hauser
Horford / O'Neale
Porzingis / Williams 3

Orlando
Boston gets: Wagner + Carter Jr. + Harris

Orlando gets: Brown

Leaves us with:
White / Pritchard
Wagner / Brogdon / Harris
Tatum / Hauser
Porzingis / Horford
Carter Jr. / Williams 3

Wagner is a swing (SF-PF) rather than a wing (SF-SG). Standing at 6'9/6'10, he lacks the mobility to stay in front of explosive guards on D, but he has prototypical size for a small-ball 4. Him and Tatum would form an impassive duo at the swing positions.

Yeah, I am aware - just not sure Joe would go away from the dual bigs

I'd expect him to adjust his strategy and play to the strengths of his roster. If Brad acquires a starting-calibre swing, Joe will have a good reason to go away from the dual bigs. Wagner is on a completely different level compared to G-Will or Hauser.

[knuckleballer]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

There were rumors that Cleveland might trade Garland.  They were shot down at the time.  The reason for the rumors was that Garland and Mitchell aren’t a good match.  I’d call Cleveland and try to talk them in a Brown/Mitchell pairing and sending us Garland.

[Jvalin]

Given he still hasn't signed an extension, chances are we are open to trading him. Personally, I think Brown is overrated. Wouldn't be against trading him for the right price. My two targets would be Mikal Bridges or Franz Wagner. Feel free to add filler(s) + pick(s) to make the deal work.

There were rumors that Cleveland might trade Garland.  They were shot down at the time.  The reason for the rumors was that Garland and Mitchell aren’t a good match.  I’d call Cleveland and try to talk them in a Brown/Mitchell pairing and sending us Garland.

It makes sense for both teams. I just wouldn't feel comfortable paying big money to a 6'1'' guard due to defensive limitations. But that's just me. Garland is a talented player, no doubt about that. Now that we got Porzingis, Garland might make more sense for us cause we won't be running a switch-heavy scheme anymore.

[A Future of Stevens]

I always think it is strange how as fans we tend to overvalue our role players and undervalue our stars. There are only so many players that trading a 26/27 year old super athletic big wing (who has gotten better every year) is worth it.

As far as I know there haven't been any reports about that caliber of player being available.

[cman88]

I always think it is strange how as fans we tend to overvalue our role players and undervalue our stars. There are only so many players that trading a 26/27 year old super athletic big wing (who has gotten better every year) is worth it.

As far as I know there haven't been any reports about that caliber of player being available.

It is kind of funny. alot of the same people crying about Smart/Grant williams want Brown shipped out of town..

[Celtics4ever]

I were doing a trade with Brooklyn for Brown as the Celtics GM ( I personally do not want to trade him) , I would asking for Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton and Cam Thomas for Brown and throw in Pritchard for good measure and a couple of seconds to seal the deal.

I doubt they would do this but Brown is an Allstar and All NBA player and we're the ones assuming the risk.

[tazzmaniac]

I were doing a trade with Brooklyn for Brown as the Celtics GM ( I personally do not want to trade him) , I would asking for Mikal Bridges, Nic Claxton and Cam Thomas for Brown and throw in Pritchard for good measure and a couple of seconds to seal the deal.

I doubt they would do this but Brown is an Allstar and All NBA player and we're the ones assuming the risk.

What risk?  Brown is about to get a supermax.  Bridges should be close in production, be a better fit and will be on a much better contract.  Brown can't get the supermax if he is traded so he'd be a potential 1-year rental for them.  Brooklyn would be the one assuming the risk. 

[Neurotic Guy]

$$ aside, a Brown trade is all about optimizing the fit of the roster.  I think the right PG can general this offense into an unstoppable machine.  The talent is there to dominate on a nightly basis. I have this crazy notion that Derrick White - a score-2nd, selfless, smart, fully-engaged, guard with size, can be the PG they need.  Over Smart, he brings a consistent game - intelligent passing, ball movement, is solid going to the hoop, and is a legit threat long range.  Though Garland is a great young PG, I think I prefer White who doesn’t need to score 20+ and will take the opportunities that arise. 

Brown for Wagner is pretty intriguing.  I don’t think I could pass that up if it were possible.

[Celtics4ever]

What risk?  Brown is about to get a supermax.  Bridges should be close in production, be a better fit and will be on a much better contract.  Brown can't get the supermax if he is traded so he'd be a potential 1-year rental for them.  Brooklyn would be the one assuming the risk. 

You don't think given up the more established star with playoff experience is a risk?  I do.   It is easy to put up a crap ton of points on a bad team and Brooklyn was a middling team last year.   So I disagree, Brooklyn is getting a two time all star, an all NBA player for a guy who has made an all defensive team once.

Bridges
Weekly Awards   Apr 3, 2023 Player of the Week
All-League   2021-22 All-Defensive (1st)
All-NBA Voting Shares     2021-22 NBA 0.002 (21), 2022-23 NBA 0.004 (29)
All-Defensive Voting Shares    2020-21 NBA 0.195 (11), 2021-22 NBA 0.965 (2), 2022-23 NBA 0.165 (14)


Brown

All-Star Games     2021 NBA, 2023 NBA
Weekly Awards    Dec 30, 2019 Player of the Week, Feb 3, 2020 Player of the Week. Mar 27, 2023 Player of the week
All-League   2016-17 All-Rookie (2nd), 2022-23 All-NBA (2nd)
All-NBA Voting Shares    2021-22 NBA 0.006 (20), 2022-23 NBA 0.338 (10)
All-Defensive Voting Shares   2017-18 NBA 0.080 (19), 2018-19 NBA 0.005 (35), 2019-20 NBA 0.010 (23), 2020-21 NBA 0.010 (28),2021-22 NBA 0.010 (25).2022-23 NBA 0.020 (21)

So let's be clear Brown is the best player in this trade, he has more awards which indicates he is better regarded in this league.   The Risk is on us.

[celticinorlando]

According to a league source, Jaylen Brown is headed overseas for an NBPA event and contract negotiations with the Celtics are expected to pause while he’s gone. Both sides remain confident that a deal will be struck, but there will be a delay.