NBA Off-Season News

[cman88]

surprised there hasn't been much talk about Milwaukee bucks even though they were the #1 seed last year (maybe because they lost to miami) but they might be in trouble this offseason right?

I mean Jrue holiday isnt the same player, Middleton opted out and even if he re-signs has lost a step and there is a very real chance they are going to lose brook lopez and i'm not sure they have much room to improve.

I expect Middleton to re-sign. I haven't heard that Jrue is declining. The Bucks will be right up there in the top-4 of the East.

I do think Middleton will re-sign unless he gets blown away. But not confident he ever will be the same player he was.

regarding Jrue i'm just going off of what alot of Bucks fans have been saying. They are worried that Milwaukee is a team with a pretty old core. and likely to lose Brook Lopez as he will be hard to re-sign but was such a huge part of what they did.

They will be a top team in the east, and there are moves to be made. but I think currently Celtics are the best team in the east. 

[Who]

surprised there hasn't been much talk about Milwaukee bucks even though they were the #1 seed last year (maybe because they lost to miami) but they might be in trouble this offseason right?

I mean Jrue holiday isnt the same player, Middleton opted out and even if he re-signs has lost a step and there is a very real chance they are going to lose brook lopez and i'm not sure they have much room to improve.

I expect Middleton to re-sign. I haven't heard that Jrue is declining. The Bucks will be right up there in the top-4 of the East.

I do think Middleton will re-sign unless he gets blown away. But not confident he ever will be the same player he was.

regarding Jrue i'm just going off of what alot of Bucks fans have been saying. They are worried that Milwaukee is a team with a pretty old core. and likely to lose Brook Lopez as he will be hard to re-sign but was such a huge part of what they did.

They will be a top team in the east, and there are moves to be made. but I think currently Celtics are the best team in the east.

It would be fun to see Giannis play center full time if B Lopez were to leave. Play run and gun basketball.

[Goldstar88]

Shams Charania: The Detroit Pistons have waived guard RJ Hampton, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. – via Twitter ShamsCharania

I wouldn’t mind the C’s taking a flyer on him. He’s only 22 and shot 36.5% from 3pt last year. Let him develop in the G-League.

[Valid]

Who going give him a 100 million contract? If he wasn’t on Warriors, he just been a decent bench player

I would love for a bad team with cap space to sign him for a bunch of money.  It’s already been proven when Steph is hurt that Draymond doesn’t impact winning.  It would be good to see over the course of an entire season.  He’s a great complimentary player to have on a winning team, but he’s possibly the most overrated player in the history of the league who has benefited immensely from playing with two of the best shooters ever, not to mention the KD years

Weird take. Curry didn't make his leap into superstardom before Draymond ascended. His playmaking and screening was key to their success. He is still easily their second best player. I think he's overrated in the sense that he has one All-NBA too many, but his '15-'16 campaign was epic.

We should all be rooting for a team to lure Draymond away. It will add a lot to our draft capital.

Not to take anything away from Draymond, who has obviously been integral to the Warriors' success, but Curry was well on his way there before Draymond's ascension. Draymond didn't take on a huge role until the 2014-15 campaign, and the year before that, Steph averaged 24 PPG on 61% TS. He then showed incremental improvement the following season before exploding in 2015-16. Not saying Green didn't help Curry's development, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that Steph wouldn't have become a superstar without Green.

Also, Draymond's 2015-16 campaign was unquestionably a bit fluky. He shot 38.8 percent from three that year. Since then, he has never even hit 31 percent, and he has shot under 30 percent four times. And to CelticsWhat35's point, there was a time when people were calling him a top 10 player in the league, which was absolutely asinine. He was never on that level.

Let's not forget that Warriors fans themselves have been growing tired of Green the last couple of years. Heck, last year during the finals, there were some Dubs fans who wanted him benched because he was playing so poorly early on in the series.

Dray is 33 years old with a rather checkered injury history, and while he's still really good, I'm not sure he's worth $100 million over four years to any team other than Golden State. It's not so much the AAV that gets me; it's the years. Four years at that money for a declining 33-year-old is a lot, and I just don't think he would be as good almost anywhere else. You need a very specific set of players around Green to draw the best out of him, and the vast majority of teams in the NBA don't have what he needs in that regard.

Not to mention the fact that the more he declines, the more evident his spotty attitude becomes. A few years ago, you just dealt with it because his skills made up for it, but now as his skills erode, it's getting harder and harder to ignore his blowups.

[obnoxiousmime]

The Jazz signed Justin Mazzulla (brother of Joe) as an assistant coach and Joey Hauser (brother of Sam) to a two-way contract.

Lol. Ainge trying to copy Brad. The Student has become the Master.

The Mazzulla bro hiring is especially fascinating because the Celtics obviously also have openings right now. I assume his bro wanted to avoid the appearance of nepotism, which is admirable. Also, maybe he's thinking, "What if Joe is fired in a year?"

[gouki88]

Who going give him a 100 million contract? If he wasn’t on Warriors, he just been a decent bench player

I would love for a bad team with cap space to sign him for a bunch of money.  It’s already been proven when Steph is hurt that Draymond doesn’t impact winning.  It would be good to see over the course of an entire season.  He’s a great complimentary player to have on a winning team, but he’s possibly the most overrated player in the history of the league who has benefited immensely from playing with two of the best shooters ever, not to mention the KD years

Weird take. Curry didn't make his leap into superstardom before Draymond ascended. His playmaking and screening was key to their success. He is still easily their second best player. I think he's overrated in the sense that he has one All-NBA too many, but his '15-'16 campaign was epic.

We should all be rooting for a team to lure Draymond away. It will add a lot to our draft capital.

Not to take anything away from Draymond, who has obviously been integral to the Warriors' success, but Curry was well on his way there before Draymond's ascension. Draymond didn't take on a huge role until the 2014-15 campaign, and the year before that, Steph averaged 24 PPG on 61% TS. He then showed incremental improvement the following season before exploding in 2015-16. Not saying Green didn't help Curry's development, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me that Steph wouldn't have become a superstar without Green.

Also, Draymond's 2015-16 campaign was unquestionably a bit fluky. He shot 38.8 percent from three that year. Since then, he has never even hit 31 percent, and he has shot under 30 percent four times. And to CelticsWhat35's point, there was a time when people were calling him a top 10 player in the league, which was absolutely asinine. He was never on that level.

Let's not forget that Warriors fans themselves have been growing tired of Green the last couple of years. Heck, last year during the finals, there were some Dubs fans who wanted him benched because he was playing so poorly early on in the series.

Dray is 33 years old with a rather checkered injury history, and while he's still really good, I'm not sure he's worth $100 million over four years to any team other than Golden State. It's not so much the AAV that gets me; it's the years. Four years at that money for a declining 33-year-old is a lot, and I just don't think he would be as good almost anywhere else. You need a very specific set of players around Green to draw the best out of him, and the vast majority of teams in the NBA don't have what he needs in that regard.

Not to mention the fact that the more he declines, the more evident his spotty attitude becomes. A few years ago, you just dealt with it because his skills made up for it, but now as his skills erode, it's getting harder and harder to ignore his blowups.

Sure Curry was. But it wasn't until Kerr recognised Draymond's massively positive impact on both ends that Golden State went from a good team to a great team.

I don't necessarily think that he is declining either. I would actually like to see by what metric you think he's declining. I think his last 3 seasons have all been an improvement on '19-'20, where he was injured and poor. He is still an elite passer and defender, and unlocks a lot in the short roll.

I agree that he would definitely be a lesser player alongside players who aren't GOAT tier shooters, but I have no doubt he'd unlock a lot for any shooters he plays with.

Either way, I want him to leave. It will make Golden State worse in the immediate future, which directly benefits our pick. The defence of Paul-Curry-Klay will be easier to attack without Green.

The main risk with Green is his personality for me. Punching Poole being the obvious case.

[Who]

The Hawks and Dallas Mavericks also held trade talks ahead of the NBA Draft. Atlanta wanted to move John Collins and the 15th pick for Davis Bertans and the 10th pick. When the Mavericks asked for Clint Capela instead, the Hawks pivoted to asking for Josh Green and talks ceased.

Atlanta also looked at moving up to the 5th (Detroit Pistons) or 7th (initially Indiana Pacers) pick. The Hawks offers reportedly included DeAndre Hunter and the 15th pick.

[gouki88]

The Hawks and Dallas Mavericks also held trade talks ahead of the NBA Draft. Atlanta wanted to move John Collins and the 15th pick for Davis Bertans and the 10th pick. When the Mavericks asked for Clint Capela instead, the Hawks pivoted to asking for Josh Green and talks ceased.

Atlanta also looked at moving up to the 5th (Detroit Pistons) or 7th (initially Indiana Pacers) pick. The Hawks offers reportedly included DeAndre Hunter and the 15th pick.

Man, Collins + 15 for Bertans + 10 is an offer I would have taken if I were Dallas. Mavs clearly looking for a true 5 though

[Birdman]

Collins would been great in Dallas with Luka

[Vermont Green]

The Phoenix Suns have sought a trade for Tobias Harris from the Philadelphia 76ers, a source tells Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The Suns would have to send out Deandre Ayton in order to make a trade for Harris possible.

The Sixers, however, have no interest in taking back Ayton and they have asked the Suns to find a third team.

Harris has $39.2 million remaining on his contract.

PHX wants Harris?  And to get him, all they need to do if find a team to take Ayton?  I don't know what PHX is thinking in terms of building a roster but it seems like one of HOU or OKC or someone like that would be willing to send something to PHI if it got them Ayton.

[liam]

The Hawks and Dallas Mavericks also held trade talks ahead of the NBA Draft. Atlanta wanted to move John Collins and the 15th pick for Davis Bertans and the 10th pick. When the Mavericks asked for Clint Capela instead, the Hawks pivoted to asking for Josh Green and talks ceased.

Atlanta also looked at moving up to the 5th (Detroit Pistons) or 7th (initially Indiana Pacers) pick. The Hawks offers reportedly included DeAndre Hunter and the 15th pick.

Man, Collins + 15 for Bertans + 10 is an offer I would have taken if I were Dallas. Mavs clearly looking for a true 5 though

Isn't Collins a lot like Wood?

[cman88]

The Phoenix Suns have sought a trade for Tobias Harris from the Philadelphia 76ers, a source tells Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The Suns would have to send out Deandre Ayton in order to make a trade for Harris possible.

The Sixers, however, have no interest in taking back Ayton and they have asked the Suns to find a third team.

Harris has $39.2 million remaining on his contract.

PHX wants Harris?  And to get him, all they need to do if find a team to take Ayton?  I don't know what PHX is thinking in terms of building a roster but it seems like one of HOU or OKC or someone like that would be willing to send something to PHI if it got them Ayton.

apparently philly wants too mjuch for Harris they wanted jarret allen, mobley and a draft pick from the cavs lol

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10080569-tobias-harris-trade-rumors-76ers-asked-cavs-for-evan-mobley-allen-draft-pick

hope sixers fans are ready for them to roll forward with the same team that lost to the celtics in the 2nd round with an older Harden (unless he leaves to the rockets)

[Roy H.]

The Phoenix Suns have sought a trade for Tobias Harris from the Philadelphia 76ers, a source tells Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The Suns would have to send out Deandre Ayton in order to make a trade for Harris possible.

The Sixers, however, have no interest in taking back Ayton and they have asked the Suns to find a third team.

Harris has $39.2 million remaining on his contract.

PHX wants Harris?  And to get him, all they need to do if find a team to take Ayton?  I don't know what PHX is thinking in terms of building a roster but it seems like one of HOU or OKC or someone like that would be willing to send something to PHI if it got them Ayton.

apparently philly wants too mjuch for Harris they wanted jarret allen, mobley and a draft pick from the cavs lol

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10080569-tobias-harris-trade-rumors-76ers-asked-cavs-for-evan-mobley-allen-draft-pick

hope sixers fans are ready for them to roll forward with the same team that lost to the celtics in the 2nd round with an older Harden (unless he leaves to the rockets)

Yeah, that offer can't be correct, can it?  It's insulting. 

[Roy H.]

The Hawks and Dallas Mavericks also held trade talks ahead of the NBA Draft. Atlanta wanted to move John Collins and the 15th pick for Davis Bertans and the 10th pick. When the Mavericks asked for Clint Capela instead, the Hawks pivoted to asking for Josh Green and talks ceased.

Atlanta also looked at moving up to the 5th (Detroit Pistons) or 7th (initially Indiana Pacers) pick. The Hawks offers reportedly included DeAndre Hunter and the 15th pick.

Man, Collins + 15 for Bertans + 10 is an offer I would have taken if I were Dallas. Mavs clearly looking for a true 5 though

Isn't Collins a lot like Wood?

I don't think he is.

Wood is quite talented, but can't play within a team concept and only cares about getting his.

Collins is also quite talented, but it's Trae Young who has trouble with a team concept.  The Hawks are less than the sum of their parts because Young is so ball dominant.  Collins doesn't get enough good touches; they basically use him like we use Grant Williams offensively.

[gouki88]

The Hawks and Dallas Mavericks also held trade talks ahead of the NBA Draft. Atlanta wanted to move John Collins and the 15th pick for Davis Bertans and the 10th pick. When the Mavericks asked for Clint Capela instead, the Hawks pivoted to asking for Josh Green and talks ceased.

Atlanta also looked at moving up to the 5th (Detroit Pistons) or 7th (initially Indiana Pacers) pick. The Hawks offers reportedly included DeAndre Hunter and the 15th pick.

Man, Collins + 15 for Bertans + 10 is an offer I would have taken if I were Dallas. Mavs clearly looking for a true 5 though

Isn't Collins a lot like Wood?

I don't think he is.

Wood is quite talented, but can't play within a team concept and only cares about getting his.

Collins is also quite talented, but it's Trae Young who has trouble with a team concept.  The Hawks are less than the sum of their parts because Young is so ball dominant.  Collins doesn't get enough good touches; they basically use him like we use Grant Williams offensively.

I agree that Collins is unlike Wood.

I don't necessarily agree that it is Trae Young causing Collins' game to falter. Trae Young had a massive usage rate in 19-20, which was Collins' best season. I think the issue is more the fit with Capela. He was at his best paired with either a big who could space (Dedmon) or a small lineup where he could operate more on the inside.

Collins is a fantastically efficient scorer inside the arc, but he is taking almost half the 2PAs these days compared to 18-20. That is where I think it's gone wrong for him. Can't operate as much inside with a non-shooting non-passer in Capela crowding the paint.