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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #990 on: August 27, 2023, 08:16:02 PM »

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  I just don't know what you are referring to when you say that it represents the Celtics "cheaping out".

I meant we won't even take a look at Oubre and Wood and are trying to be cheap to meet our needs.   Everyone there is real talent out there that we ignore for whatever reason.   Offer one of these guys a chance to stay in the NBA and on a one year contract.   Their talent is much more.    I don't want to see MIA getting them  if Portland gives in the Lilliard's demands.

I would use Justin C as a great example of another Celtics cheap out.

How do you know they haven't reached out to those players? Free agency is a 2-way street, can't sign guys that don't want to play here.

I don't but how do you know they did?   They have a history of going cheap.

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« Reply #991 on: August 27, 2023, 08:31:49 PM »

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  I just don't know what you are referring to when you say that it represents the Celtics "cheaping out".

I meant we won't even take a look at Oubre and Wood and are trying to be cheap to meet our needs.   Everyone there is real talent out there that we ignore for whatever reason.   Offer one of these guys a chance to stay in the NBA and on a one year contract.   Their talent is much more.    I don't want to see MIA getting them  if Portland gives in the Lilliard's demands.

I would use Justin C as a great example of another Celtics cheap out.

How do you know they haven't reached out to those players? Free agency is a 2-way street, can't sign guys that don't want to play here.

I don't but how do you know they did?   They have a history of going cheap.


Based on what? They are in the top 10 highest team salaries this season so far, and have the second highest dollar amount in the league of committed salary on the books for next season.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #992 on: August 27, 2023, 08:38:33 PM »

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« Reply #993 on: August 27, 2023, 08:41:42 PM »

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Multi-million dollar team with a five dollar coach.

Mazzulla reportedly has 3 years, 14 million dollars remaining on his deal, so they are paying him well too:

https://nesn.com/2023/05/joe-mazzulla-contract-what-celtics-coach-reportedly-has-left-on-deal/

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« Reply #994 on: August 27, 2023, 08:51:31 PM »

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https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/8/24/23844279/report-boston-celtics-work-out-glen-robinson-iii-brad-stevens-nba-offseason-jayson-tatum

So the Cs apparently had Glen Robinson III in for a workout recently. It’s nice to see Brad doing his due diligence as he fills out our last two roster spots. Still hoping that he gives Giles a look. I did see someone post in the NBA Offseason thread that the Warriors have interest in Blake Griffin. They were supposed to have worked out Giles so maybe he (Giles) didn’t really impress. If that’s the case then I hope the Cs pounce on Blake first as an insurance bench big.

So if all this is true, the Celtics will be able to choose between TJ Warren, Glenn Robinson III, and Lamar Stevens for a wing slot.  Robinson may be the happy medium.  More scoring punch than Stevens, still decent defense, and more reliable and predictable than Warren.

I am not worried about Blake.  Would like to have him back, don't want to see him help GSW, but his impact in any case is not that great.

Isn't Blake Griffin, even at this point in his career, better than Kornet ?
I remember him making significant contributions to some wins last season.
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« Reply #995 on: August 27, 2023, 08:52:40 PM »

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Mazzulla reportedly has 3 years, 14 million dollars remaining on his deal, so they are paying him well too:

https://nesn.com/2023/05/joe-mazzulla-contract-what-celtics-coach-reportedly-has-left-on-deal/

Uh, It wasn't a literal reference (see Bull Durham).
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« Reply #996 on: August 27, 2023, 09:03:49 PM »

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https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/8/24/23844279/report-boston-celtics-work-out-glen-robinson-iii-brad-stevens-nba-offseason-jayson-tatum

So the Cs apparently had Glen Robinson III in for a workout recently. It’s nice to see Brad doing his due diligence as he fills out our last two roster spots. Still hoping that he gives Giles a look. I did see someone post in the NBA Offseason thread that the Warriors have interest in Blake Griffin. They were supposed to have worked out Giles so maybe he (Giles) didn’t really impress. If that’s the case then I hope the Cs pounce on Blake first as an insurance bench big.

So if all this is true, the Celtics will be able to choose between TJ Warren, Glenn Robinson III, and Lamar Stevens for a wing slot.  Robinson may be the happy medium.  More scoring punch than Stevens, still decent defense, and more reliable and predictable than Warren.

I am not worried about Blake.  Would like to have him back, don't want to see him help GSW, but his impact in any case is not that great.

Isn't Blake Griffin, even at this point in his career, better than Kornet ?
I remember him making significant contributions to some wins last season.

Idk. I guess I don’t dislike Kornet’s game as much as others do. As an end of bench emergency big - Kornet is fine.  Blake is fine too as an end of bench big  - but I like having Kornet’s height as an option.

Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #997 on: August 28, 2023, 12:19:03 AM »

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« Reply #998 on: August 28, 2023, 09:42:56 AM »

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All of these questions about who the C's can add to their bench really don't matter, when we have an IDIOT Coach who won't use the bench properly or at all.

I'm willing to give Joe a chance. He was a rookie head coach with no preseason prep time and a coaching staff that was not his own. With the new roster of assistant coaches plus the whole offseason an preseason to prepare, I expect he will be better.

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« Reply #999 on: August 28, 2023, 09:51:41 AM »

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  I just don't know what you are referring to when you say that it represents the Celtics "cheaping out".

I meant we won't even take a look at Oubre and Wood and are trying to be cheap to meet our needs.   Everyone there is real talent out there that we ignore for whatever reason.   Offer one of these guys a chance to stay in the NBA and on a one year contract.   Their talent is much more.    I don't want to see MIA getting them  if Portland gives in the Lilliard's demands.

I would use Justin C as a great example of another Celtics cheap out.

30 teams have had the chance to sign Oubre and Wood, and none have, but it’s the Celtics who are cheaping out?  It couldn’t possibly be their leaguewide reputation of playing no defense, being difficult to coach, and, in the case of Oubre, taking every shot he can?  If the Celtics sign either, fine, but my guess is they haven’t passed because of cheapness, but rather because they aren’t interested.  Same as 29 other teams, including their most recent ones.

It is a bit of a mystery that Oubre and Wood have not signed anywhere.  The music seems to have stopped and there are no chairs left.  I suspect that these guys both view themselves as starters and expected decent contacts in situations with playing time.  Now they have to consider the Celtics for bench roles on min contracts?  I can't imagine either wants to be on the Celtics in that role.

But if we could land both of these guys somehow, our second unit would be pretty awesome:

Brogdon
Oubre
Hauser
Wood
Horford (assuming Williams starts)

I think both of these players could be good bench players on a contending team like the Celtics, even with their flaws or limitations.  I don't think that is the issue.  I suspect that it is the players that are waiting to see if somehow, a better, more lucrative offer comes along that is better than a bench role on a min contract.  This isn't about the Celtics being cheap.  All they can offer is a min contract.  (I know, they can offer a little more with the MLE but that would hard cap them).  I guess they could also use the Grant TPE and offer more (while still not being hard capped) but there is a very real opportunity cost with that.

Again, I see this more as Oubre or Wood not wanting to be 4th or lower at their position on the depth chart, as they would be on the Celtics.  Oubre would be behind White, Brown, and Brogdon, Wood would be behind Porzingis, Williams, and Horford.  I guess Wood could expect injuries to open up playing time.


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« Reply #1000 on: August 28, 2023, 10:13:33 AM »

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All of these questions about who the C's can add to their bench really don't matter, when we have an IDIOT Coach who won't use the bench properly or at all.

I'm willing to give Joe a chance. He was a rookie head coach with no preseason prep time and a coaching staff that was not his own. With the new roster of assistant coaches plus the whole offseason an preseason to prepare, I expect he will be better.

I agree with this.  For the reasons you state, it is tough to judge the totality of his coaching ability based only on last season.  I saw some things I liked, some things I didn't, but I suspect that in all cases, it was a tough situation for him and the players.  I don't know if he is going to be able to get the kind of buy in from the players that he will need, he may not.  In the end, he may not be the right coach for this team.  But it is too soon to give up on him.
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Re: Celtics Off-Season News
« Reply #1001 on: August 28, 2023, 11:58:52 AM »

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The problem with giving him a chance is, We are a Championship team RIGHT NOW....we don't have time for him to learn how to coach.
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« Reply #1002 on: August 28, 2023, 12:23:11 PM »

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The problem with giving him a chance is, We are a Championship team RIGHT NOW....we don't have time for him to learn how to coach.

  I couldn’t agree more. This team is that good. Imagine this team with a Spolestra or a Popovich. I know these guys are exceptional but I feel like this is a crazy waste of prime years for this team.
  Also , is there any way we can get Gordon Hayward on a buy out mid season?  :P

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« Reply #1003 on: August 28, 2023, 02:03:39 PM »

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The problem with giving him a chance is, We are a Championship team RIGHT NOW....we don't have time for him to learn how to coach.
I couldn’t agree more. This team is that good.  Imagine this team with a Spolestra or a Popovich.  I know these guys are exceptional but I feel like this is a crazy waste of prime years for this team.

I don't know.  I definitely would feel better about the team if they had a veteran coach but the way things went down last season, it would have been hard to recruit and select a vet coach.  They certainly had the opportunity to do that this season but do you really want to have your 3rd coach in 3 seasons?

It is easy to say that Mazzulla isn't as good as Popovich, of course he isn't, but the Celtics were still very good last season.  Some (cough cough Moranis) even think they over-achieved.  Sure, fans were freaking out over time outs and some player rotation decisions.  I have been harping on the lack of off ball movement and overall offensive scheme.  This is all really easily fixable though. 

Mazzulla seemed to have very good temperament and character, things you can't fix.  But none of it matters if the players don't buy in, starting with Tatum.  I am not sure Tatum fully bought into Mazzulla last season.  There seemed to be lingering issues over Udoka getting fired.  My overall position though is that if the Celtics don't win a title, I don't think Mazzulla will be the issue.  I think he can coach well enough, he almost got them there last season until it all just kind of fell apart for 3 games vs. Miami.

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« Reply #1004 on: August 28, 2023, 02:33:21 PM »

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The problem with giving him a chance is, We are a Championship team RIGHT NOW....we don't have time for him to learn how to coach.

How many games did they win last year?
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