Celtics Off-Season News

[footey]

Guy is freakin' huge.

[smokeablount]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

[Celtics2021]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

[SCeltic34]

KP is a well spoken guy.  Seems genuinely happy to be here.

I was a big Smart supporter, but it is hard to argue with the return that we got with our moves.  KP is playing his best basketball and gives us much more options on both ends on the floor.  Heck, we can actually rest both JB and JT at the same time if we wanted to now, and run the offense through KP.  And we ended up with a bunch of draft picks.

This team, at least on paper, is even better than last year's team when we were favored to win it all.

[footey]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

Yeah, the real question is why didn't we structure a longer term first contract with him? As a middle to late 2nd round pick, seems we could have structured 2-3 year deal with multiple team options.  Isn't that what we normally do with our 2nd round picks?

[Celtics2021]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

Yeah, the real question is why didn't we structure a longer term first contract with him? As a middle to late 2nd round pick, seems we could have structured 2-3 year deal with multiple team options.  Isn't that what we normally do with our 2nd round picks?

Picks in the 50s often take a stop in the G-League or on a 2-way.  That’s wasn’t terribly surprising.  I expect he’ll get a 3-year deal, guaranteed year 1, not guaranteed years 2 and 3, with a team option a year 3.

[smokeablount]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

Yeah, the real question is why didn't we structure a longer term first contract with him? As a middle to late 2nd round pick, seems we could have structured 2-3 year deal with multiple team options.  Isn't that what we normally do with our 2nd round picks?

I didn’t know he was up, we just drafted him. The night of the pick I didn’t love it but the next day I did. He should not have come up so soon.

[footey]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

Yeah, the real question is why didn't we structure a longer term first contract with him? As a middle to late 2nd round pick, seems we could have structured 2-3 year deal with multiple team options.  Isn't that what we normally do with our 2nd round picks?

Picks in the 50s often take a stop in the G-League or on a 2-way.  That’s wasn’t terribly surprising.  I expect he’ll get a 3-year deal, guaranteed year 1, not guaranteed years 2 and 3, with a team option a year 3.

So 2 way deals are only one year, can't be multiple years, huh?  In that case, I won't sweat it. Hope you're right about signing him to 3 year deal with team options.

[SparzWizard]

I see some people on Celtics social media piling up on Porzingis' comments about his "uncertain future" and "not being genuine about it" and that "we traded Smart for that?"

Let me ask them this...if we kept Smart, we'd still see endless 3-ball chuckings, slacking D, and shooting us out of games, and best part of all...fighting for hierarchy in the coaching sidelines.

[Who]

Seeing also that Javonte Green would like to come back to the C's.  Have to be on a discount, but he and Tatum are friends.

https://nesn.com/2023/06/former-celtic-javonte-green-reportedly-would-welcome-return-to-boston/

He's restricted, right?  Chicago would likely match?

No, he's not restricted.  Coming off a minimum deal too, I think, so a minimum to return to Boston wouldn't seem to be an impossible hope.

What do we need him for?

A defensive SF with a dodgy offensive game. Isn't that Jordan Walsh?

Javonte took only 3.4 shots in 15mpg. Only 1 three point attempt in 15mpg. He shot a good percentage but clearly this is not a confident jump-shooter. He is still a garbage man on offense playing out on the perimeter.

[Goldstar88]

I see some people on Celtics social media piling up on Porzingis' comments about his "uncertain future" and "not being genuine about it" and that "we traded Smart for that?"

Let me ask them this...if we kept Smart, we'd still see endless 3-ball chuckings, slacking D, and shooting us out of games, and best part of all...fighting for hierarchy in the coaching sidelines.

Should reply to them with this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1hHPSbdgc

KP wanted to come to Boston. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t be a Celtic.

[cman88]

I see some people on Celtics social media piling up on Porzingis' comments about his "uncertain future" and "not being genuine about it" and that "we traded Smart for that?"

Let me ask them this...if we kept Smart, we'd still see endless 3-ball chuckings, slacking D, and shooting us out of games, and best part of all...fighting for hierarchy in the coaching sidelines.

Celtics fans make no sense. they call for Smart to be traded all season and playoffs. STILL are calling for Brad to trade Jaylen.

yet when Brad moves one of the core its "OMG, how could Brad do such a thing! I'm done with the celtics!"

Brad sees a team on the cusp of a Ring missing something...so he's just trying to push all his cards in the middle of the table to bring one home. What do they say about doing the same thing over and over expecting different results?

[BitterJim]

We've offered JD Davison the qualifying offer at $1.76m, making him a restricted free agent.

I wonder if he has any market beyond that

How much could another team (say the Rockets) offer him? If no ceiling, we may be in situation where we can't match for double apron purposes. Hope not...

Other teams can offer him whatever they want,  then we have a chance to match. Or he can just accept the QO and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason. 

In which case we'd still have his bird rights.

Does anyone know of a case where an unproven second rounder got a good offer from another team in this situation? If just one GM in the league believes in him, it drives up the price. But off the top of my head I can't think of any examples where a guy basically hasn't played but more than the QO.

I don’t get why we did this. Are we trying to get ahead of paying him or are we clearing out his roster spot after next year?

Not sure what your question is.  We’re making him a restricted free agent.  He can accept the one year deal, in which case we can make  him a restricted free agent again next year, he can sign with another team and we can match (thus no one will bother), or we can sign him to a longer contract, or even a 2-way deal.  This just makes it easier for the Celtics to resign him, nothing more.

Yeah, the real question is why didn't we structure a longer term first contract with him? As a middle to late 2nd round pick, seems we could have structured 2-3 year deal with multiple team options.  Isn't that what we normally do with our 2nd round picks?

Picks in the 50s often take a stop in the G-League or on a 2-way.  That’s wasn’t terribly surprising.  I expect he’ll get a 3-year deal, guaranteed year 1, not guaranteed years 2 and 3, with a team option a year 3.

So 2 way deals are only one year, can't be multiple years, huh?  In that case, I won't sweat it. Hope you're right about signing him to 3 year deal with team options.

Yeah two-way deals are for one year, but you can re-sign players to another one the next year (as long as they have less than 3 years of service). Picking up the QO seems like a sure-fire sign he'll be on the main roster this year (and probably for a couple more years, too), since if we only wanted him on a two-way he could just sign the QO

[celticinorlando]

Boston will extend KP. People need to stop worrying.

[celticinorlando]

Seeing also that Javonte Green would like to come back to the C's.  Have to be on a discount, but he and Tatum are friends.

https://nesn.com/2023/06/former-celtic-javonte-green-reportedly-would-welcome-return-to-boston/

He's restricted, right?  Chicago would likely match?

No, he's not restricted.  Coming off a minimum deal too, I think, so a minimum to return to Boston wouldn't seem to be an impossible hope.

What do we need him for?

A defensive SF with a dodgy offensive game. Isn't that Jordan Walsh?

Javonte took only 3.4 shots in 15mpg. Only 1 three point attempt in 15mpg. He shot a good percentage but clearly this is not a confident jump-shooter. He is still a garbage man on offense playing out on the perimeter.

Agree. I want nothing to do with Javonte Green. He's ads very little to a title run. There are better guys out there than a retreaded Green.

Plus he is coming off an injury where he missed Jan, Feb, March and never looked right when he tried to come back at the end of the season.