Will the celtics make a coaching change?

[Celtic_Pride777]

Not sure anyone has posted this, but there was a report during Game 3, about Horford trying to rally the players while sitting in the coach's seat. If true, that's all you need to know how little they respect Joe.

[SHAQATTACK]

Player lost what confidence they gained with Ime ,  plus the awful IQ and inexperienced Joe literally SANK the team…..That’s on Brad Stevens .  Never wanting the stronger personalities,  this was an issue with him and Danny . Danny had to protect him from the super stars and now he won’t hire anybody that isn’t a dead zombie looking statue like himself and Joe .

Get some people with a little freaking energy and personality who SHOW a team how much they care .  This team has no natural inclination to lead, they need a STRONG voice to wake them up.

Ime was a good medium,  and Wyc blew it to appease others. SMH

if brad wants to save his job joe should be fired as soon as the clock hits 00:00 in miami next game

Brad needs to be fired . He is good talent scout and chess player .  But , he is clueless about leading a team of grown men and scared to get in their face and demand they produce.  I d offer him a job as a scout or assistant coach .  He just idisappears when the going gets ruff . He should have stood up to the vigilante owners and protected Ime .  Only in Boston would this Ime thing be an issue IMO.  Somebody made a mountain out of a mole hill.  So now the teams a wreck and they have their revenge . 

[celticinorlando]

Brad stevens will not fire Joe. He just won't. They are going to run it back with the thought that Joe has had a season and will improve.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Player lost what confidence they gained with Ime ,  plus the awful IQ and inexperienced Joe literally SANK the team…..That’s on Brad Stevens .  Never wanting the stronger personalities,  this was an issue with him and Danny . Danny had to protect him from the super stars and now he won’t hire anybody that isn’t a dead zombie looking statue like himself and Joe .

Get some people with a little freaking energy and personality who SHOW a team how much they care .  This team has no natural inclination to lead, they need a STRONG voice to wake them up.

Ime was a good medium,  and Wyc blew it to appease others. SMH

if brad wants to save his job joe should be fired as soon as the clock hits 00:00 in miami next game

Brad needs to be fired . He is good talent scout and chess player .  But , he is clueless about leading a team of grown men and scared to get in their face and demand they produce. I d offer him a job as a scout or assistant coach .  He just idisappears when the going gets ruff . He should have stood up to the vigilante owners and protected Ime .  Only in Boston would this Ime thing be an issue IMO.  Somebody made a mountain out of a mole hill.  So now the teams a wreck and they have their revenge .

no argument from me, there has to be better GM's out there.

i always complained here for years about brad refusing to get in players faces. soft and weak.

[Vermont Green]

I don't know if they will make a change or not, but I think the likelihood had increased significantly based on this playoff run.  It is pretty clear that the coach-players relationship is not what it needs to be.  Probably fault on both sides of this but usually in these cases, it is a lot easier to try a new coach than a significant player change.  That and the fact that there are a lot of established names out there, make a coaching change more likely.

I am not as concerned about time outs or how many minutes Grant plays but what has become more apparent recently is that Mazzulla has some pretty unconventional philosophies and approaches.  He probably had these all along but as the season wore on and the spotlight got brighter, this is becoming more known outside the locker room.  He is just not established enough to be able to be so off-center as a coach for modern NBA players.  I don't know how you just run it back next season with Mazzulla, unless there is a major player overhaul, which I don't expect.

I think the best thing for all is the Celtics get Monty Williams and Joe Mazzulla finds a job at a nice college.

[liam]

I hope we bring Monty Williams in.

[Vermont Green]

Brad stevens will not fire Joe. He just won't. They are going to run it back with the thought that Joe has had a season and will improve.

I think he will if the owners tell him to.  And I don't think Wyc Grousbeck is afraid to tell his GM if he wants a new coach.

[liam]

Brad stevens will not fire Joe. He just won't. They are going to run it back with the thought that Joe has had a season and will improve.

I think he will if the owners tell him to.  And I don't think Wyc Grousbeck is afraid to tell his GM if he wants a new coach.

But Wyc is cheap as he showed time and time again this year.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I hope we bring Monty Williams in.

PELS fans here hated Monty.

tell me why we should hire him.

[Birdman]

Mazzulla is only 34 and was thrown into the head coach position when Ime was let go..he is unproven & feel sorry for the man..Celtics could had gotten an season coach

[Who]

Spoelstra sucked in 2011 for Miami in the first year of the Big Three. They underachieved in the regular season, flatlined and died in the playoffs against Dallas.

Spoelstra couldn't coach the team properly. He kept trying to coach the squad like he had learned as a youngster watching SVG and P Riley coach those Alonzo & Shaq teams where Miami played power basketball. Spoelstra had no clue how to coach uptempo basketball. No clue how to enable LeBron or Wade. The team fell apart in the Finals.

Yet, the team backed him. They saw him as young and that he would learn and develop. And he did. Quickly. He changed from the power basketball to the pace and space system. Heck, he still didn't coach the system well but at least he was coaching the right system. It wasn't until after LeBron left that Spoelstra became a high level coach in this system because he was developing and learning all the time.

Now, Spoelstra had some advantages over Mazzula. The main one being he had 2yrs experience before 2011 when he had established himself as one of the best young coaches in the league when coaching a defensive minded physical unit. He struggled to adapt to a new style but he clearly had ability. They gave him extra time to show he could adapt. And he did.

I would not be surprised if PBS kept Mazzula because he knows him well, likes the way he does things, feels he has potential to grow, and is willing to bet on that growth. Maybe give him a half season next year to show he has learned and grown from this year's failures.

I do not think Mazzula is a shoo-in to be fired. It's more 60-40 in my mind (fired vs not fired).

[angryguy77]

Spoelstra sucked in 2011 for Miami in the first year of the Big Three. They underachieved in the regular season, flatlined and died in the playoffs against Dallas.

Spoelstra couldn't coach the team properly. He kept trying to coach the squad like he had learned as a youngster watching SVG and P Riley coach those Alonzo & Shaq teams where Miami played power basketball. Spoelstra had no clue how to coach uptempo basketball. No clue how to enable LeBron or Wade. The team fell apart in the Finals.

Yet, the team backed him. They saw him as young and that he would learn and develop. And he did. Quickly. He changed from the power basketball to the pace and space system. Heck, he still didn't coach the system well but at least he was coaching the right system. It wasn't until after LeBron left that Spoelstra became a high level coach in this system because he was developing and learning all the time.

Now, Spoelstra had some advantages over Mazzula. The main one being he had 2yrs experience before 2011 when he had established himself as one of the best young coaches in the league when coaching a defensive minded physical unit. He struggled to adapt to a new style but he clearly had ability. They gave him extra time to show he could adapt. And he did.

I would not be surprised if PBS kept Mazzula because he knows him well, likes the way he does things, feels he has potential to grow, and is willing to bet on that growth. Maybe give him a half season next year to show he has learned and grown from this year's failures.

I do not think Mazzula is a shoo-in to be fired. It's more 60-40 in my mind (fired vs not fired).

It wasn't until their window closed that he was able to grow. We don't have that time. We're not coming off a couple championships and rebuilding.

He's not shown that he's learned from any of his failures this year, what's going to change?

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Spoelstra sucked in 2011 for Miami in the first year of the Big Three. They underachieved in the regular season, flatlined and died in the playoffs against Dallas.

Spoelstra couldn't coach the team properly. He kept trying to coach the squad like he had learned as a youngster watching SVG and P Riley coach those Alonzo & Shaq teams where Miami played power basketball. Spoelstra had no clue how to coach uptempo basketball. No clue how to enable LeBron or Wade. The team fell apart in the Finals.

Yet, the team backed him. They saw him as young and that he would learn and develop. And he did. Quickly. He changed from the power basketball to the pace and space system. Heck, he still didn't coach the system well but at least he was coaching the right system. It wasn't until after LeBron left that Spoelstra became a high level coach in this system because he was developing and learning all the time.

Now, Spoelstra had some advantages over Mazzula. The main one being he had 2yrs experience before 2011 when he had established himself as one of the best young coaches in the league when coaching a defensive minded physical unit. He struggled to adapt to a new style but he clearly had ability. They gave him extra time to show he could adapt. And he did.

I would not be surprised if PBS kept Mazzula because he knows him well, likes the way he does things, feels he has potential to grow, and is willing to bet on that growth. Maybe give him a half season next year to show he has learned and grown from this year's failures.

I do not think Mazzula is a shoo-in to be fired. It's more 60-40 in my mind (fired vs not fired).

It wasn't until their window closed that he was able to grow. We don't have that time. We're not coming off a couple championships and rebuilding.

He's not shown that he's learned from any of his failures this year, what's going to change?

BINGO. we do not have time for a LOTJ coach.

[Who]

It's a hot run because we have four seasons of Tatum and Brown as the two best players on the team, and they have only consistently played up to their potential for those few months.

The wheels only fell off for the team this year after we'd played 60+ games - you have no proof that this regression wouldn't have happened under Udoka, because (not only do we not live in that timeline, unfortunately) the coaching is only part of the problem.

Do you think Ime's defense loses to this depleted Heat team?
There's your answer.

But the problem is not the absence of Ime's defense - because Ime's defense was predicated around Horford and Timelord sharing the floor, which has been an absolute disaster this series. Horford, in particular, is looking like the old man that he is this postseason. Subsequently the solution cannot be as simple as 'Ime's defense'.


I have no appetite to argue in favour of points that I'm not making, but I would say at a glance the change in defensive identity has more to do with RW3 being injured to start the year, Smart's bad season all around, and Horford being another step slower (which I have said ad nauseum) than the coaching.

Now, does Mazz pay more attention to offense? Sure. No one is arguing that he doesn't. Did we have a better coaching staff all around last year? Yes. How much of a contribution each coach that's missing from last season has to our performance relative to our players on the floor is hard to say.

Ime couldn't have used Ime's defense. They reffed the game completely differently this year. Took away that increased physicality they allowed when Ime was coach and allowed less physicality this season than ever before. Scoring is up all across the league. It is not just Mazzula.

Ime's defense would have been better than Mazzula's defense but it wouldn't have been as successful as last year. They didn't allow people to play that way this season. Guys like Smart are so much worse on defense because the refs changed how much contact he is allowed have as a defender.

[liam]

It's a hot run because we have four seasons of Tatum and Brown as the two best players on the team, and they have only consistently played up to their potential for those few months.

The wheels only fell off for the team this year after we'd played 60+ games - you have no proof that this regression wouldn't have happened under Udoka, because (not only do we not live in that timeline, unfortunately) the coaching is only part of the problem.

Do you think Ime's defense loses to this depleted Heat team?
There's your answer.

But the problem is not the absence of Ime's defense - because Ime's defense was predicated around Horford and Timelord sharing the floor, which has been an absolute disaster this series. Horford, in particular, is looking like the old man that he is this postseason. Subsequently the solution cannot be as simple as 'Ime's defense'.


I have no appetite to argue in favour of points that I'm not making, but I would say at a glance the change in defensive identity has more to do with RW3 being injured to start the year, Smart's bad season all around, and Horford being another step slower (which I have said ad nauseum) than the coaching.

Now, does Mazz pay more attention to offense? Sure. No one is arguing that he doesn't. Did we have a better coaching staff all around last year? Yes. How much of a contribution each coach that's missing from last season has to our performance relative to our players on the floor is hard to say.

Ime couldn't have used Ime's defense. They reffed the game completely differently this year. Took away that increased physicality they allowed when Ime was coach and allowed less physicality this season than ever before. Scoring is up all across the league. It is not just Mazzula.

Ime's defense would have been better than Mazzula's defense but it wouldn't have been as successful as last year. They didn't allow people to play that way this season. Guys like Smart are so much worse on defense because the refs changed how much contact he is allowed have as a defender.

Exactly. In this series, we are getting called every time we ramp up the defense.