2023 Celtics Offseason Thread

[Celtics4ever]

I know I’m beating a dead horse here & been saying this for a long time, we never win a championship without a legit center

Yeah, this stopped Michael Jordan from winning many.......

[cman88]

Could have had KD and passed. Win championships now worry about a window later.

Good point - I'm really excited to watch KD and Chris Paul play in the Western Conference Finals later.


The coaching staff needs to be restocked, whether that's keeping Mazza or not (I think it's likely he stays) he obviously needs some help, and a full turnover from Ime's assistants with some vetted/quality replacements would do a world of good.

problem is that he's lost the locker-room. players have no faith in him. no matter how good you think he "can be" you can't bring him back. its a players run league. once you lose trust of the lockerroom its over.

he might be "reassigned" but I see no way stevens can bring him back and roll out the same coaching staff. as a GM you make a decision is it the roster or the coaching. and given a lesser version of this roster made the finals and these moves to bring in brogdon/gallo were meant to get them over the hump to win it its pretty clear coaching is the issue

[greg683x]

Could have had KD and passed. Win championships now worry about a window later.

Good point - I'm really excited to watch KD and Chris Paul play in the Western Conference Finals later.


The coaching staff needs to be restocked, whether that's keeping Mazza or not (I think it's likely he stays) he obviously needs some help, and a full turnover from Ime's assistants with some vetted/quality replacements would do a world of good.

Don’t NBA coaches usually hire their own assistants?  If so, do you trust Joe to hire the right assistants that will help him learn on the job?  The guy seems insecure at times and seems easily agitated when his decisions get picked on.  I don’t have faith that he’s going to be open and willing to be bringing in experienced minds that might make pulling the trigger on firing him mid season that much easier

[Birdman]

I know I’m beating a dead horse here & been saying this for a long time, we never win a championship without a legit center

Yeah, this stopped Michael Jordan from winning many.......

He had Cartwright, Longley, Perdue, Rodman played like a center…I take either one of those guys over TimeLord anyday

[Kernewek]

Could have had KD and passed. Win championships now worry about a window later.

Good point - I'm really excited to watch KD and Chris Paul play in the Western Conference Finals later.


The coaching staff needs to be restocked, whether that's keeping Mazza or not (I think it's likely he stays) he obviously needs some help, and a full turnover from Ime's assistants with some vetted/quality replacements would do a world of good.

Don’t NBA coaches usually hire their own assistants?  If so, do you trust Joe to hire the right assistants that will help him learn on the job?  The guy seems insecure at times and seems easily agitated when his decisions get picked on.  I don’t have faith that he’s going to be open and willing to be bringing in experienced minds that might make pulling the trigger on firing him mid season that much easier

Yeah I think it's hard to say. If we accept that our current coaching staff is the primary reason why we look to be out of the playoffs one round earlier than last year, we also have to allow for the fact that the front office hasn't put the coaching staff in a position to succeed, either. But the Udoka situation was a one-off: there's no reason to wait until September to start filling vacancies this offseason.

[cman88]

Could have had KD and passed. Win championships now worry about a window later.

Good point - I'm really excited to watch KD and Chris Paul play in the Western Conference Finals later.


The coaching staff needs to be restocked, whether that's keeping Mazza or not (I think it's likely he stays) he obviously needs some help, and a full turnover from Ime's assistants with some vetted/quality replacements would do a world of good.

Don’t NBA coaches usually hire their own assistants?  If so, do you trust Joe to hire the right assistants that will help him learn on the job?  The guy seems insecure at times and seems easily agitated when his decisions get picked on.  I don’t have faith that he’s going to be open and willing to be bringing in experienced minds that might make pulling the trigger on firing him mid season that much easier

Yeah I think it's hard to say. If we accept that our current coaching staff is the primary reason why we look to be out of the playoffs one round earlier than last year, we also have to allow for the fact that the front office hasn't put the coaching staff in a position to succeed, either. But the Udoka situation was a one-off: there's no reason to wait until September to start filling vacancies this offseason.

I don't disagree. we lost ALOT Of assistants. and even one left during the regular season which was odd. a guy all the players loved. thats alot of brain drain and experience.

[boscel33]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

[Birdman]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

I do that trade

[celticinorlando]

Smart has to go no matter what

JB has to be looked at to be moved.

[tazzmaniac]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

The Heavy.com proposal is ridiculous.  JB is not a top-tier star and he only has 1 year left on his contract.  I don't know why Houston would even do your proposal.  Getting JB isn't going to make them a playoff team. 

[gouki88]

Coaching:
1. Fire Joe Mazzulla, hire Nick Nurse. I know Nurse's whinging antics on the sideline have annoyed a lot of us, but I think he would be really good here. He's got championship calibre, he employs some innovative schemes, he gets a lot out of his personnel - I think the fit is good.

2. Hire Frank Vogel in a senior assistant / advisory role, if he would be willing. I think some structure is needed on our bench after a lot of disruption, and Vogel is another with championship experience.

3. We will probably lose Ben Sullivan to Ime. A few assistants I like are Jama Mahlalela, David McClure and Charles Lee. Would hire any one of those.

Trading:
1. Trade Jaylen Brown. There are several packages that I would consider, but one (credit to Who) that I think is probably the most realistic and equitable is straight up for Darius Garland.

2. Trade Marcus Smart. I think his voice might be misguided in the locker-room these days. I would love to ship him for Wendell Carter Jr.

Draft:
1. We only have pick 35, so nothing too exciting here. I would select Trayce Jackson-Davis 1st, and if he is not there then I would select Adem Bona. Keyontae Johnson is my 3rd preference.

Free Agency & Contract Extensions:
1. Sign Torrey Craig to the MLE for 2 years. Decent perimeter shooter and rebounder who plays versatile defence.

2. Exercise team options on Pritchard and Muscala.

3. Gallinari exercises player option.

4. Retain Griffin on vet min.

5. Grant Williams walks.

Roster:
Head coach: Nick Nurse
Assistants: Frank Vogel, Jama Mahlalela, Tony Dobbins, Aaron Miles, DJ MacLeay.

PG: Garland / Pritchard
SG: White / Brogdon / Hauser
SF: Tatum / Craig
PF: Horford / Gallinari / Muscala / Griffin
C: Carter Jr. / Williams 3 / Jackson-Davis / Kornet

I think that team is a lot more balanced than this one.

[jambr380]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

The Heavy.com proposal is ridiculous.  JB is not a top-tier star and he only has 1 year left on his contract.  I don't know why Houston would even do your proposal.  Getting JB isn't going to make them a playoff team.

I'm not in favor of this package or really trading Brown in general, but HOU is currently the favorites to land Harden. So they would have Jaylen, Harden, and Green. It may not be a contender this upcoming year, but it would certainly be a nice foundation.

And if Jaylen goes to a place he wants to go to, then he can sign an extension with his new team. The 1-year thing is only an issue if you are sending him to a place like Utah.

[gouki88]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

The Heavy.com proposal is ridiculous.  JB is not a top-tier star and he only has 1 year left on his contract.  I don't know why Houston would even do your proposal.  Getting JB isn't going to make them a playoff team.

I'm not in favor of this package or really trading Brown in general, but HOU is currently the favorites to land Harden. So they would have Jaylen, Harden, and Green. It may not be a contender this upcoming year, but it would certainly be a nice foundation.

And if Jaylen goes to a place he wants to go to, then he can sign an extension with his new team. The 1-year thing is only an issue if you are sending him to a place like Utah.

There's no way they give up that much. It would either be the players or the picks

[Who]

IF you are trading JB, Houston is the obvious choice with Ime there.  This is the thought that came out of Heavy.com:

Celtics Get: Kevin Porter Jr., Alperen Sengun, Tari Eason, and four future first-round draft pick

Rockets Get: Jaylen Brown

I don't think Jaylen gets us four first round picks, but maybe two of those players and two picks.  IDK, but there has to be some major changes coming!

The Heavy.com proposal is ridiculous.  JB is not a top-tier star and he only has 1 year left on his contract.  I don't know why Houston would even do your proposal.  Getting JB isn't going to make them a playoff team.

Houston are talking about fast-tracking their rebuilding and trying to win now. They told Ime this when hiring him. They are after James Harden.

A 1-2 punch of Harden & Jaylen would be a great start to a winning basketball team. Maybe a title contender.

[Who]

I know I’m beating a dead horse here & been saying this for a long time, we never win a championship without a legit center

The Bulls are talking about making major changes to their team. They are thinking of breaking up their core. Maybe making Vucevic available in a trade.

It would be a break away from the type of defense BOS has played in recent years with more mobile athletic bigs but Vucevic is one of the most skilled centers in the league. He would be an interesting candidate.

Not many other options at center. They tend to be overpaid. Aside from a few at the top, they tend to be defense-only like Rob Williams while paid far more than Rob Williams. Not many options to improve the center position. Vucevic looks to be one of the more attractive options worth considering if changing the center spot.