Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[Who]

So seriously, is there any chance the C's can Joe at the end of this season if we lose game 6 to Philly?
Would they have the balls to do that, after they just gave him the full title no interim?

I don't see how they walk back from that and then fire Joe.   It is what they should do, but I don't think ownership, BS have the nuts to do that.

Big test for PBS. See if he has the backbone to make tough decisions.

I am still unsure he does. I fear he will want to be "fair" to a fellow young coach who is learning on the job and give him time to learn from his mistakes.

I want a ruthless PBS who sees a title proven head coach on the market and understands that is an upgrade over our young learn on the job head coach.

Just take the better more proven guy.

[SparzWizard]

So seriously, is there any chance the C's can Joe at the end of this season if we lose game 6 to Philly?
Would they have the balls to do that, after they just gave him the full title no interim?

I don't see how they walk back from that and then fire Joe.   It is what they should do, but I don't think ownership, BS have the nuts to do that.

Big test for PBS. See if he has the backbone to make tough decisions.

I am still unsure he does. I fear he will want to be "fair" to a fellow young coach who is learning on the job and give him time to learn from his mistakes.

I want a ruthless PBS who sees a title proven head coach on the market and understands that is an upgrade over our young learn on the job head coach.

Just take the better more proven guy.

PBS ain't ruthless. He just a college guy with his college ball mindset. He can go with Joe lol

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

So seriously, is there any chance the C's can Joe at the end of this season if we lose game 6 to Philly?
Would they have the balls to do that, after they just gave him the full title no interim?

I don't see how they walk back from that and then fire Joe.   It is what they should do, but I don't think ownership, BS have the nuts to do that.

Big test for PBS. See if he has the backbone to make tough decisions.

I am still unsure he does. I fear he will want to be "fair" to a fellow young coach who is learning on the job and give him time to learn from his mistakes.

I want a ruthless PBS who sees a title proven head coach on the market and understands that is an upgrade over our young learn on the job head coach.

Just take the better more proven guy.

PBS ain't ruthless. He just a college guy with his college ball mindset. He can go with Joe lol

my guess is he is a soft gutless coward. if he does not fire joe he needs to walk as well.

[Kuberski33]

Joe's a high school level head coach. Brad tossed him the keys and he crashed a smooth running Ferrari.  He's in over his head and likely messed up the team long term because he's going to lose two good depth pieces (Grant and PP) who he gave up on over the 2nd half of the season.

If they lose Game 6 it will be his last game as Celtics head coach.

[Kuberski33]

Celtic ownership blew themselves up with the over reaction during Udoka Gate .

Then they finished the Celtics season handing the keys to Boston to a guy not ready for prime time , never asked to be head coach .

Wyc and Brad protected the WRONG person

See the jealous vengeful  OWNERS firing of Ime for blame here.  Hope the butt hurt husband is happy now .

Can't argue with this take. It may well be accurate.  I think the fans and season ticket holders especially need to be told what actually happened.

[blink]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

[SHAQATTACK]

The FO needs to stand up and take their lumos for putting the team in this mess.  I don’t blame the players.

The organization over reacted firing Udoka , this led to the demise  of one of the best coaching staffs in the NBA .  It killed the players faith of their leadership in crisis close playoff ball.

Regular season coaching and post season are worlds apart , coaches have to react faster and the coaching load increases as a team goes deeper in a series .

Joe drowned .

But he should have never been expected to handle this pressure

Owners started the bleeding with Ime, this wound bleed the Celtics dry of coaching talent and killed the Celtics chances in post season games where just a few calls by the coach is the difference in winning or losing .

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?

fire him now

they did nothing to stop joels 15 foot jays and they were set on d

[radiohead]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

Yes. I saw his post game interview. Unbelievable.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

Yes. I saw his post game interview. Unbelievable.

me after hearing his comments

[gouki88]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

Yes. I saw his post game interview. Unbelievable.

He can't actually be serious, saying that. Can he?

Wow

[Kernewek]

They may still win in spite of Joe's shortcomings. I hope they do. The talent is there. But, if they lose, Brad and Joe gotta go.

I swear that's the only thing that will shut me up about Joe for the next few months- the C's need to win banner 18 this June lol.

But agreed on the bolded.

I don't feel too strongly about Joe, but Brad is the one who put Brogdon and White on this team. If they lose, it's not his fault. I have no idea what was going on behind the scenes this summer, so I don't know how much Brad's hands were tied.

Bottom line: Stevens put together a team that should win. It's not his fault if they don't.

Mike

Yeah, I've got some issues with the roster construction -- they've needed one more interior big all season long -- but Brad has done a good job with the roster.

We don't have the information to judge him based on his budget and the behind the scenes issues with the coaching staff.  However, *if* Wyc gave him authority to further address the coaching staff via hiring externally -- either for a head coach or veteran assistants -- then Brad gets a chunk of the blame if we don't advance due to Joe.

I think given the circumstances, regardless of what budget he was given, Brad made the correct decision with Joe, with the only other viable options being Stoudemire or himself.  Given the circumstances of Udoka's departure, which were both sudden and secret, the only possible hire would have been internal, as otherwise trust with the players would have been lost.  If Brad didn't want the job himself, and it's clear he didn't, then it was probably a coin flip between Joe and Stoudemire.  As for assistants, they unsuccessfully tried to bring back Larranaga, but I agree with them not bringing in a big name former head coach, as it would have just created more turmoil about whether Mazzulla was just a placeholder for Vogel, Snyder, or whomever else, and that would have undercut any goals for stability.  I do think it a failing that Udoka/Stevens never replaced Hardy.  That should have happened, and I think some of the in-game coaching mistakes are due to the fact that there are simply not enough eyes and heads on the sideline to absorb everything in real time.  This was exacerbated with Udoka's departure and the inability to find a coaching replacement in October, and compounded with Stoudemire leaving in March.  I get not being able to find a qualified assistant in the pre-season or mid-season, but there's really little excuse for not hiring one in July when the first opening presented itself.

We're well beyond speculation at this point but considering Stoudemire was the top assistant for Udoka, are we confident that Mazza would have left if he didn't get the HC gig?

Obviously Stevens et al have their reasons for choosing one coach over another, but I'm not convinced that making Stoudemire the HC would have resulted in Joe looking for a role with another organisation.

I think Brad chose Joe over Stoudemire because he thought Joe was better, based on his observation of both of them over the past years.  I’m saying that decision was a coin flip because you don’t know in advance who would do a better job, and we never will know that because only one of them would get the opportunity.  I don’t think Joe potentially leaving or not mid-year would have been or should have been a consideration, nor would Stoudemire’s.  I was just saying that in choosing Joe, Stevens had limited other options, and there’s no evidence he made the wrong choice, because we don’t have data on how the alternatives would have performed.

Yeah that makes sense. I’m just thinking out loud that a coaching staff of Stat and Mazza is probably better than just Mazza.

As for the main thread - being out coached in a series by Doc isn’t a great look.

[Roy H.]

Copied from another forum site...Does anyone know if this is true?  Did Joe say that?


"Reporter ‘was the drop and leaving Embiid open for FT jumpers a part of the scheme?’

Joe ‘our offense created that, we didnt get into transition and missed open shots and that puts pressure on your half court defense’

It sounds like a Joe quote.  Apparently you can't play great defense without a great offense.  Because transition offense leads to half court defense, somehow.

[celticinorlando]

Joe has undone all the things Ime did for the defense. They literally don’t even try at that end. Shooting 50 3s a game and hoping they go in is not an offensive scheme.

Took a good chance to win a title and messed it up. Thanks to Brad, Wyc and company also. A panic fire and a panic hire.

[Neurotic Guy]

Joe has undone all the things Ime did for the defense. They literally don’t even try at that end. Shooting 50 3s a game and hoping they go in is not an offensive scheme.

Took a good chance to win a title and messed it up. Thanks to Brad, Wyc and company also. A panic fire and a panic hire.

It isn’t looking good I agree.  Horford and Tatum starting 1-12 from 3 with a bunch of open looks was not something they could recover from.   Yes the philosophy sucks, but they should never execute that poorly.  It looks like a blown year, but I also haven’t decided that they’ll lose game 6 - which actually hasn’t been played yet.  If they win it, they’ll be one win from the ECF and they’ll be the favorite in that series.   I agree Joe was not the right choice but still a very talented team - and talent can still do its thing.