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Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #780 on: May 02, 2023, 10:48:34 AM »

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I see everyone is taking the loss well this morning.

In a way I'm glad I wasn't able to get online last night 

(My excuse was I didn't get to watch the game live, got home an hour or so after tipoff and decided I didn't want to be spoiled before I watched it on DVR  :angel: )
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D


Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #781 on: May 02, 2023, 10:54:52 AM »

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They played entitled instead of hungry
This is kind of what I'm seeing. I think they do want to turn it on but something is missing. Personally I think it's a little toughness. Scalabrine pointed out at half time that the Sixers had only 2 TO's. He said they'd win the game if they could force 10 in the 2nd half - and they forced only 4 more. That's a function of your defense and not being hungry enough.

It can also be a function of your coach not putting the right guys on the floor to facilitate that. It's aggravating as hell to see Harden continually pick your team apart and no effort made to get the ball out of his hands. Nothing got changed up and Harden just torched them.

Supposedly Joe was the architect of their great defense last season....really? Then why have they regressed so much this season in that dept?


Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #782 on: May 02, 2023, 10:58:06 AM »

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For years we watched Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens stage what can only be described as a miraculous rebuild just a few years sfter the beloved stars from the KG era left and retired.

We endure catastrophic injuries, a saboteur lunatic in Kyrie, and every indignity and run of bad luck imaginable.  We lose at the doorstep of a championship to a veteran Warriors team.

Now, this year, everything lines up for us. The path is clear and wide.

And we are blowing it. We are throwing away a chance that might never come again. Our guys are risking the stability of that locker room with their nonchalance and hubris.

They don't play for each other. They are not fun to watch. Where is the guy who will drag this team to victory, the guy who hates losing so much he throws up before every game because he just HATES losing.

Maybe it's Timelord, but he doesn't see the court enough (if not now, then when?!?). Or White, but he doesn't have true star talent. I just can't wrap my head around what is going on right now.

The fans deserve better than this. The players deserve better than this. It's a beautiful thing when a team plays cohesively, selflessly. When the Celtics do it they cannot be stopped. They should win the championship. They should be good to themselves. But they don't grasp this yet, and it is as depressing as anything I've seen in sports.

Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #783 on: May 02, 2023, 11:04:18 AM »

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For years we watched Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens stage what can only be described as a miraculous rebuild just a few years sfter the beloved stars from the KG era left and retired.

We endure catastrophic injuries, a saboteur lunatic in Kyrie, and every indignity and run of bad luck imaginable.  We lose at the doorstep of a championship to a veteran Warriors team.

Now, this year, everything lines up for us. The path is clear and wide.

And we are blowing it. We are throwing away a chance that might never come again. Our guys are risking the stability of that locker room with their nonchalance and hubris.

They don't play for each other. They are not fun to watch. Where is the guy who will drag this team to victory, the guy who hates losing so much he throws up before every game because he just HATES losing.

Maybe it's Timelord, but he doesn't see the court enough (if not now, then when?!?). Or White, but he doesn't have true star talent. I just can't wrap my head around what is going on right now.

The fans deserve better than this. The players deserve better than this. It's a beautiful thing when a team plays cohesively, selflessly. When the Celtics do it they cannot be stopped. They should win the championship. They should be good to themselves. But they don't grasp this yet, and it is as depressing as anything I've seen in sports.
And that's what I mean when I say something is missing. I'm not sure they know what it is. Usually when teams get into this type of funk, they don't pull out of it.  This is the same crap that was going on during the Atlanta series.

And we saw it often during the season.  To me the slide started when Joe tightened up his rotation back in February and stopped playing Grant, Kornet, PP and to a lesser extent, Hauser.  There have been too many nights when 'his guys' don't want to make the necessary defensive effort.

To date they haven't been able to recover.

Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #784 on: May 02, 2023, 11:17:58 AM »

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For years we watched Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens stage what can only be described as a miraculous rebuild just a few years sfter the beloved stars from the KG era left and retired.

We endure catastrophic injuries, a saboteur lunatic in Kyrie, and every indignity and run of bad luck imaginable.  We lose at the doorstep of a championship to a veteran Warriors team.

Now, this year, everything lines up for us. The path is clear and wide.

And we are blowing it. We are throwing away a chance that might never come again. Our guys are risking the stability of that locker room with their nonchalance and hubris.

They don't play for each other. They are not fun to watch. Where is the guy who will drag this team to victory, the guy who hates losing so much he throws up before every game because he just HATES losing.

Maybe it's Timelord, but he doesn't see the court enough (if not now, then when?!?). Or White, but he doesn't have true star talent. I just can't wrap my head around what is going on right now.

The fans deserve better than this. The players deserve better than this. It's a beautiful thing when a team plays cohesively, selflessly. When the Celtics do it they cannot be stopped. They should win the championship. They should be good to themselves. But they don't grasp this yet, and it is as depressing as anything I've seen in sports.
And that's what I mean when I say something is missing. I'm not sure they know what it is. Usually when teams get into this type of funk, they don't pull out of it.  This is the same crap that was going on during the Atlanta series.

And we saw it often during the season.  To me the slide started when Joe tightened up his rotation back in February and stopped playing Grant, Kornet, PP and to a lesser extent, Hauser.  There have been too many nights when 'his guys' don't want to make the necessary defensive effort.

To date they haven't been able to recover.

I keep thinking back to that bubble year where we lost with .5 seconds to Toronto because nobody picked up one if their shooters.  We played like garbage for the rest of the playoffs after that. There is a fragility to this team.

You make an interesting point about the rotation tightening. For all their faults, guys like pritchard and Grant are gamers and have something to prove.  As limited as he is I think pritchard would have given harden more problems than our other defenders did.

Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #785 on: May 02, 2023, 11:49:42 AM »

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For years we watched Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens stage what can only be described as a miraculous rebuild just a few years sfter the beloved stars from the KG era left and retired.

We endure catastrophic injuries, a saboteur lunatic in Kyrie, and every indignity and run of bad luck imaginable.  We lose at the doorstep of a championship to a veteran Warriors team.

Now, this year, everything lines up for us. The path is clear and wide.

And we are blowing it. We are throwing away a chance that might never come again. Our guys are risking the stability of that locker room with their nonchalance and hubris.

They don't play for each other. They are not fun to watch. Where is the guy who will drag this team to victory, the guy who hates losing so much he throws up before every game because he just HATES losing.

Maybe it's Timelord, but he doesn't see the court enough (if not now, then when?!?). Or White, but he doesn't have true star talent. I just can't wrap my head around what is going on right now.

The fans deserve better than this. The players deserve better than this. It's a beautiful thing when a team plays cohesively, selflessly. When the Celtics do it they cannot be stopped. They should win the championship. They should be good to themselves. But they don't grasp this yet, and it is as depressing as anything I've seen in sports.

Draymond Green

GSW have had so many games over the last 8 years in the playoffs where they came out flat and did not play with the required intensity or urgency to win. The only guy on that team that consistently responded on those nights was Draymond Green. He is their energizer. He inspires others around him with his effort & intensity. His communication skillsrange from organization o lambasting to inspiring. He fires everyone up. He pushes the ball like the madman after rebounds. Forces the team to play at a higher tempo. He makes those hustle plays for loose balls. He takes the challenge of defending guys much bigger than him and out-works him.

I've often thought of Draymond like a battery and how GSW have worn out that battery over the years. He used to be able to do this, have nights like this were he picked up the entire team when they came out flat, on the regular but now he can only do it about half as often. They wore him out. They did not put enough energetic guys around him on that GSW and relied solely on him and they burnt him out. It is amazing, even at half of his former energetic powers, Draymond is still far and away the best energizer on that team. They still haven't put energetic guys on that squad. Maybe Gary Payton III - he gives you something.

You need energy. Teams need energy.

They tend to get energy from either hustle guys, intense guys or young legs. Smart is the main guy for Boston but he has calmed down some as a result of having to in order to play PG. White gives you a little but he is more steady than energetic. Not a lot of youth in the main rotation. The guys are young in age but far older in terms of experience. They play more like vets at this stage. Blake Griffin, the old timer, is probably the best deep bench player for coming in with lots of energy and trying to spark the squad.

Anyway, Smart continues to be the emotional leader of this BOS team. He is the guy others follow. They follow his fire. His energy. His intensity. His hustle. Most of the others are quieter leaders like Horford, Tatum or even Jaylen. Certainly Brogdon.

Rob Williams is the closest to young legs. He sparks the game with his athleticism and effort when his body is feeling good. Making huge defensive plays, grabbing rebounds and dunking the ball hard on the other end.

Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #786 on: May 02, 2023, 12:14:19 PM »

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For years we watched Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens stage what can only be described as a miraculous rebuild just a few years sfter the beloved stars from the KG era left and retired.

We endure catastrophic injuries, a saboteur lunatic in Kyrie, and every indignity and run of bad luck imaginable.  We lose at the doorstep of a championship to a veteran Warriors team.

Now, this year, everything lines up for us. The path is clear and wide.

And we are blowing it. We are throwing away a chance that might never come again. Our guys are risking the stability of that locker room with their nonchalance and hubris.

They don't play for each other. They are not fun to watch. Where is the guy who will drag this team to victory, the guy who hates losing so much he throws up before every game because he just HATES losing.

Maybe it's Timelord, but he doesn't see the court enough (if not now, then when?!?). Or White, but he doesn't have true star talent. I just can't wrap my head around what is going on right now.

The fans deserve better than this. The players deserve better than this. It's a beautiful thing when a team plays cohesively, selflessly. When the Celtics do it they cannot be stopped. They should win the championship. They should be good to themselves. But they don't grasp this yet, and it is as depressing as anything I've seen in sports.
And that's what I mean when I say something is missing. I'm not sure they know what it is. Usually when teams get into this type of funk, they don't pull out of it.  This is the same crap that was going on during the Atlanta series.

And we saw it often during the season.  To me the slide started when Joe tightened up his rotation back in February and stopped playing Grant, Kornet, PP and to a lesser extent, Hauser.  There have been too many nights when 'his guys' don't want to make the necessary defensive effort.

To date they haven't been able to recover.

I keep thinking back to that bubble year where we lost with .5 seconds to Toronto because nobody picked up one if their shooters.  We played like garbage for the rest of the playoffs after that. There is a fragility to this team.

You make an interesting point about the rotation tightening. For all their faults, guys like pritchard and Grant are gamers and have something to prove.  As limited as he is I think pritchard would have given harden more problems than our other defenders did.

Yeah, they bring energy and unexpected looks for the other team. We basically only played 7 guys last night.

Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #787 on: May 02, 2023, 12:30:11 PM »

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I woke up this morning still wondering how the hell Tucker winds up and hits Tatum in the nuts and NO CALL...Tatum should have been shooting 2 FTs and The C's should have gotten the ball back....BS that he didn't see Tatum and therefore NO call....He knew Tatum had just passed the ball and was running down the lane.
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« Reply #788 on: May 02, 2023, 01:28:00 PM »

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On to the next one. I like the way we match up with Philly with our without Embiid. It is unfortunate to lose at home, but maybe this lights a fire. Goodness I hope so.
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« Reply #789 on: May 02, 2023, 01:57:20 PM »

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I understand the vitriol and overreaction to Joe, but weren’t the Celtics the #2 ranked defense on the season?

If he got them to play elite defense all year, it’s not his fault they are getting torched to historic lengths down the stretch.

Yes some of his decisions and adjustments are questionable, but the majority of the blame lies in the players’ continued poor effort.
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« Reply #790 on: May 02, 2023, 02:04:03 PM »

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Horford has really fallen off which is disappointing. He was very productive for us last year in the postseason, even doing a lot of the little things. Sadly this season, he's been a turnstile on defense and is making a lot of bad decisions too. Not as reliable with open look shots either. Not typical with Horford. And it seems to be having a trickle down effect on the rest of the team.

The problem though is G-Will also doesn't play much for some reason, and Timelord is pretty much on a bit of a minutes restriction due to the injury concerns. I mean he looked awesome out there but he didn't play as much in the 4th when it was a close game
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« Reply #791 on: May 02, 2023, 02:12:08 PM »

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Horford has really fallen off which is disappointing. He was very productive for us last year in the postseason, even doing a lot of the little things. Sadly this season, he's been a turnstile on defense and is making a lot of bad decisions too. Not as reliable with open look shots either. Not typical with Horford. And it seems to be having a trickle down effect on the rest of the team.

The problem though is G-Will also doesn't play much for some reason, and Timelord is pretty much on a bit of a minutes restriction due to the injury concerns. I mean he looked awesome out there but he didn't play as much in the 4th when it was a close game
Well put. Hopefully the coach makes the appropriate adjustments.

And hopefully some of horfords threes start to fall - without checking the stats I feel like he shot better from 3 during the regular season than the playoffs so far.

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« Reply #792 on: May 02, 2023, 02:13:40 PM »

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Horford has really fallen off which is disappointing. He was very productive for us last year in the postseason, even doing a lot of the little things. Sadly this season, he's been a turnstile on defense and is making a lot of bad decisions too. Not as reliable with open look shots either. Not typical with Horford. And it seems to be having a trickle down effect on the rest of the team.

The problem though is G-Will also doesn't play much for some reason, and Timelord is pretty much on a bit of a minutes restriction due to the injury concerns. I mean he looked awesome out there but he didn't play as much in the 4th when it was a close game

Mixed feelings about Horford.

I agree that his defense has fallen off.  He's not the wall that he was.  Combine that with our teamwide loss of defensive aggression on the perimeter and we just aren't taking very much away from teams right now. 

Offensively he's fine though.  The guy was almost automatic from three this season.  Among the best in the league.  Postseason has been a little more lukewarm for him but he'll be fine.  I trust the 63-game sample more than the 7-game sample. 

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« Reply #793 on: May 02, 2023, 02:17:59 PM »

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Not as reliable with open look shots either. Not typical with Horford.

Horford was 2nd in the entire league in 3PT% this season. 44.6% from three on 5 attempts a night.

Edit: By the way, I don't think Horford got anywhere near the recognition he deserved for finishing 2nd in the league in 3PT%. One would expect far more fanfare. It is barely mentioned. A fantastic achievement for any better nevermind your center.
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Re: 76ers (0-0) at Celtics (0-0) Round 2 Game #1 5/1/23
« Reply #794 on: May 02, 2023, 02:26:22 PM »

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I think Horford's defense gets far too much criticism. How many centers play better defense than Horford when left on an island against Trae Young or James Harden?

Very few. Horford is still one of the better defensive centers switching onto guards in the league.

The problem is twofold

(1) the expectations. Fans expecting your center to be a lockdown one-on-one defender on elite scoring ball-handling guards. Centers cannot do that. They are centers. Not guards. They are not quick enough and agile enough to do that. You want your C to do a reasonable job, not get beaten too easily and try to make sure he contests the shot which Al has done consistently.

(2) the coach not mixing up the defensive coverages. He has allowed the ball-handler far too much comfort in dictating the matchups he wants. Mazzula has to change up coverages more often. Deep coverage, aggressive switches, avoid the switch, blitzing, double from the sides with a wing player, switching with the wing defender coming high to take the ball-handler allowing the big to switch back onto easier matchup [like DEN often do with Jokic to avoid him being pummeled].

If you allow a top offensive player to get comfortable in knowing exactly what defensive coverage he will face, then give him an advantageous matchup, he will cook you. You have to find ways to give him different looks. Mazzula has very poor in this regard and it has cost the team hugely. Horford is taking far too much criticism for Mazzula's failures.